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I'm prepared for the flack that will come my way for even bringing this up, but I've just got to ask the question. Being a newbie, intent on not losing my entire little trading account, I have voraciously gobbled up every 'beginner's book' on day trading, chart reading, candlestick chart reading, analysis, visual analysis, etc. that I could find. As mentioned in a previous thread, my eyes are crossed, I'm a bit testy, I'm confused and overwhelmed. (I know, I know...quit whining and buck up!)

My question is, is all this necessary? I finally got around to looking at all the links that were posted for DD a few weeks ago, and discovered http://www.stockta.com.
I put in a symbol and it analyzed all the indicators I'd been making myself crazy reading about for the past two weeks.

It's lazy....it's probably cheating to all you fundamentalists...but I'm sure glad I found it.

Beav.


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Yeah-- but now you understand what the TA site is telling you don't you?
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I woke up and now you have! You can flat go crazy reading that stuff and by the way I feel 90% of it is garbage. Watch the flack this gets. The bottom line is a hard working CEO and a good product that if you ask (will people buy this and the answer is yes) then a winner you have. My opinion! All the TA is fine but you can get caught up in it and lose sight of where you are going!
Eat MONSTER Eat! And then there was light!

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point taken, glassman.
Beav

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Everybody needs to tailor their system to their personality. We are all strong on some things weak on others some are better at everything--(not me)--if you sample the ideas-- you find out you're strengths. Share your strenthgs here and ask for help with your weakness. nobody can see the future(clearly anyway) LOL Dog finds hotstocks like greased lightning--he offers so many you need to really be quick to run thru them and find the one(S) you want to play--I don't have enough RISK money to play more than one or two fast trades at a time.


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Waterwitch wrote:

"My question is, is all this necessary?"

Research, absolutely.

If you are to be successfully consistently,
year after year, you will leave no stone
unturned in your research.

One significant loss can wipe out all your
profits from a month's work, or more, even
an entire year of profits.

Are you willing to risk that because you
don't like all the work required to perform
good research?

A bit harsh, yes, teachers are like that.

However, my attitude about not playing the
bandwagons, not buying into hype, is well
founded in factual verifiable evidence;
my public track record.

Last trading year, my total losses: $293.
Yes, less than three-hundred bucks for
the entire 2003 trading year. Profits?
Well, they are very good.

If you like, Waterwitch, want to see what
good research, cautious and conservative
investing can do for you, skim through all
my articles over on the "Free For All"
board here at All Stocks. Those articles
do date back a good period of time and
are well hidden now.

You will find many stocks profiled by me,
and will note, all turned out to be winners.

Some only gained ten to fifteen cents per
share, so far. Others, most, gained about
fifty cents share. A handful gained right
at or well over a dollar a share. All of
this in thirty to sixty days. A few of
those profiled stocks are still gaining.

So is research and hard work worthwhile?

I will elude to this, my net cash profits
for this month, so far, $6,900 with net
cash profits meaning, "Cash in hand."

Not a chance I will risk losing that
simply because I don't want to work
so hard, so often.

Some might suspect my research pays well,
as does all these long hours I spent each
day, researching stocks, by the hundreds.

I get out of this, what I put into it.

So will you.


Purl Gurl


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THE GURL AND GLASS,

AS USUAL GREAT ADVICE BASED ON YEARS OF KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE.

I AM PROUD OF YA BEAV. SEE I COULD HAVE TOLD YOU JUST TO CHECK STOCKTA.COM. INSTEAD I P-SSED YOU OFF AND MADE YOU LEARN. I HOPE YOU ONLY KICKED THE DOG A COUPLE OF TIMES..LOL

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Charting stocks is fun--but only part of the story--stocks can be pumped for short time chart bumps--look real good for bit--but go into a decline soon--have to read--read--read all info availible. There is lots on the internet about most companys. From Edgar (my favorite start) to otcbbs to even yahoo. But Purl is right about looking, looking twice at fundamentals. I used to wonder how she did so much in a day--UNTIL i found she has a server right next to her desk (makes for fast internet service) and writes PERL code (fast and tight code too) now i think she may even know who is behind the group name of followingstocks..........steve (I AM impressed--she does webpages too--woman of many talents it seems!)
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Waterwitch, what Purl Girl and glassman said its right on and i respect what they say. I would like to add from my experience....

By studying and applying what you learn to the makets, you will find "your style" of investing or trading. You will find the indicators that you will apply to any stock to see if it fits into your style. Screening is a quick way to get a list of possibilities, then narrow it down. One thing i advise, is to not think a stock has to be under 1 cent for it to be a buy. A .50 or even a 2.00 stock may be the better buy after considering its potential. Have a price goal, it may be what the charts are telling you or a percentage. Don't get emotional about a stock, it distorts your vision. Every day and look at your stock and ask yourself if you want to be invested in it, given price, news, support, resistance, etc.... If I get too caught up emotionally in a stock i usually sell it and go to a different one.
I have sold a stock and stepped back, just to buy it again, but with a clear view of the overall picture. And yes, you need to dig into the fundamentals, at times it may seem unnecessary, but it is. Next, you will find some people on here that you follow, but still do the DD yourself, you will learn from it.

I hope you don't mind me putting my 2 cents worth in here. And one more thing, enjoy it, but learn it, it will pay you back many times. Ken


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well said millek esp the part about there is always another stock--you can take a loss and move on- the ideal scenario that we a yearn for is trying to pick which ones are going to do the best-not whether they will go up-- LOL--pearl gurl seems to be in that mode---and i listen to everything she says--i look for for her posts among others like dog and i get in the habit of skipping others which is bad cuz even a blind hog finds an acorn now and then.
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Glassman, jeesshh... Looks like I need to take
you over to Choctaw County, Oklahoma, to live
with my Choctaw relatives for a spell, which
I do couple times a year.

I could tell you a childhood story about a
blind hog and I, which would make you piddle
your pants.

Hogs grub for roots, bugs, whatever. Mostly
they trample you half to death trying to
get to the slop trough.

Blind squirrels find acorns!

Silly city slicker!

Purl Gurl


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PG I hope you scrolled thru the PGHI thread they are still trying to figure out if they need to hit the tornado shelter.


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Hogs grub for roots, bugs, whatever. Mostly
they trample you half to death trying to
get to the slop trough.


Don't let her fool ya, glassman....hogs also find TRUFFLES


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hiya beav,

in penny stocks it is good to be suspicious of everything, and to learn to read between the lines. very clever lawyers and marketing people are crafting documents and pr's to put their company in the best possible light. if a statement isn't crystal clear, it was likely composed to be that way. when you research a company, research the competition as well. just because xyz inc. has a widget they just brought to market, does'nt mean anything without knowing everything about the marketplace and the competition.

i find ta very useful to spot trends and for intraday help in spottin good entry and exit points. it helped me allot yesterday with plkc when i sold at .19 when the mac d lines crossed. not the top but better than today at .13.

also, know when to take profit. penny stocks for the most part will confound someone who is used to playing dow and nasdaq stocks. the constantly will surprise you. it is far too easy to have the huge gains of a few stocks blurr a realistic perspective. don't try to pick the top and bottom and work in and out of a position with smaller multiple trades.

it takes time to get a feel for this all. don't be discouraged if you have a few lean years.

i really don't calculate much more than the bottom line, so i am sure the total some of my red plays lost much more than purls. i am currently playing 36 stocks in my microcap portfolio with some fairly large positions in over half of them. for 2003 i had 617% of what i started with and the net was enough for someone to buy a yacht and retire on it. but since i've already been there and done that, i will just keep letting it roll, and share it with people that never will have a fraction of the opportunity i have and have had. maybe in the big plan (i don't profess to know, as i don't even have a formal religion) i am just a middleman. who knows? i just know i am very happy and always stimulated by trading and venture capital.

good luck beav. there are a number of good people here who will help you.

uncle milty


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quote:
Originally posted by Purl Gurl:
Waterwitch wrote:

"My question is, is all this necessary?"

Research, absolutely.

If you are to be successfully consistently,
year after year, you will leave no stone
unturned in your research.

One significant loss can wipe out all your
profits from a month's work, or more, even
an entire year of profits.

Are you willing to risk that because you
don't like all the work required to perform
good research?

A bit harsh, yes, teachers are like that.

However, my attitude about not playing the
bandwagons, not buying into hype, is well
founded in factual verifiable evidence;
my public track record.

Last trading year, my total losses: $293.
Yes, less than three-hundred bucks for
the entire 2003 trading year. Profits?
Well, they are very good.

If you like, Waterwitch, want to see what
good research, cautious and conservative
investing can do for you, skim through all
my articles over on the "Free For All"
board here at All Stocks. Those articles
do date back a good period of time and
are well hidden now.

You will find many stocks profiled by me,
and will note, all turned out to be winners.

Some only gained ten to fifteen cents per
share, so far. Others, most, gained about
fifty cents share. A handful gained right
at or well over a dollar a share. All of
this in thirty to sixty days. A few of
those profiled stocks are still gaining.

So is research and hard work worthwhile?

I will elude to this, my net cash profits
for this month, so far, $6,900 with net
cash profits meaning, "Cash in hand."

Not a chance I will risk losing that
simply because I don't want to work
so hard, so often.

Some might suspect my research pays well,
as does all these long hours I spent each
day, researching stocks, by the hundreds.

I get out of this, what I put into it.

So will you.


Purl Gurl


For the record...the question "Is all this necessary?" was not referring to doing research. I realize that doing the due diligence is paramount.

What I was asking is whether or not it is necessary to know how to interpret the information contained in the different types of charts one finds during research, when it is all available at the touch of a button.

Sorry for the confusion...

Beav


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Everyone here is aware of my trading style. What everyone here should also know is that I spend 6-8 more hours a day with DD.

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I am also a newbie. can someone tell me where i can find the meaning of the term
bullish or very bullish. I want to know what that means exactly when i run across it.

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Comes from very old traditions still practiced today in the form of cockfighting and dog fighting. Bears and bulls were baited in fighting pits. The bear claws downward --the bull horns lift and throw. On the charts you are seeing bears clawing or bulls goring.
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Waterwitch, software can never duplicate
the thinking power and skills of a human
mind, dubious as a human mind is.
http://www.purlgurl.net/~callgirl/roberta/roberta.cgi

Roberta The Remarkable Robot! I have been
programming her for four years now. She does
pretty good, but it doesn't take long to
figure out, she is just talented software.

Charts are just as critical as fundamentals
but need a lot more care. Charts will fool
you a lot quicker than will fundamentals.

Fundamentals, we can look at numbers, make
sense of it all, make some fairly decent
projections.

Charts and related "opinion" software, those
can get you into a lot of trouble. Trust your
eyes and brain, before you trust software.

If you don't, someone like Roberta will drive
you literally nuts, just as I do.


Purl Gurl


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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
PG I hope you scrolled thru the PGHI thread they are still trying to figure out if they need to hit the tornado shelter.


JUST CAME FROM VISITING THE BIGS (FREE FOR ALL). PURL, IVAN STILL CRUSING IN THE 2.90 RANGE.

EVERYTHING I OWN ON THE LONG RED-RED-RED-BAILED ON ONE OF MY FAVORITE NVLS. LUCKY FOR CNBC NEWS ALERT--I BAILED EARLY A.M. WHEW-12% DOWN NOW. BAILED ON FREE SHARES OF CYGN AT .85. WOW. GREAT PROFIT. PURL--IT'S NOT FEB.7TH YET SO BET IS STILL ON FOR CYGN. PLENTY OF TIME FOR 1.00--GOT MY 10 SHARES OF ENRON SET ASIDE FOR YOU JUST IN CASE. BOUGHT AT .06. LOL MY MICRO'S ARE HOLDING THIER OWN OR GAINING-CTKH-PRIM-ADVC-CESY (SURPRISINGLY)

I AM A LITTLE BORED!! DOES ANYONE HAVE ANYBODY THEY AREN'T THAT HAPPY WITH. I COULD-- LIKE --GIVE THEM A PIECE OF YOUR MIND--GIVE ME THE RUN DOWN---I WILL HANDLE IT FROM THERE. JUST A THOUGHT!! LOL

AS USUAL.. GOOD POSTS!!

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Diana remember-- you have to stir the soup ONCE IN AWHILE to keep it from burning, but it does need to find its own equilibrium for the broth to be best.


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Another newbie here, and all I have to say is THANK YOU.....All of you DON'T have to do this (posting and helping others) I also think that you do this with out expecting something back, because what are you going to learn from me when you have somuch knowlege and experience?

I'll b honest and say that I don't do much DD. Many resons 1-)I don't have time to spend 2 or 3 hours a day doing research 2-)I don't know anything about Charts, Level II, candlestick, ect. and learn about all that. and 3-)What do I have this board for?

Don't get me wrong I don't go and jump and buy a stock just because I read a post here or there (I already paid the price). In the short time that I been visiting this board I know who have good intentions and want to help others. Before making a move I do some research I read the company history and profile and news and PRs (that's all the research I know how to do for now) and it works for me. I started trading about 3 year ago in the regular stock market and last year along I was down more that 50%, but after I started trading in pennies I'm over my initial investment. I didn't start investing in pennies before because every where you read something about penny stocks it says that there is big risk and the porcentage of gain is very low, but because I am young I decided to do it.
I'm very greteful and I thank you all one more time.
(excuse my English)

**THANK YOU ALL**
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quote:
Originally posted by dardadog:
Everyone here is aware of my trading style. What everyone here should also know is that I spend 6-8 more hours a day with DD.


Didn't mean to sell you short dog--how can anyone make fast decisions like you without recognising patterns as they develop?


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MamboK-- i can't help wondering why somebody puts up no trespassing signs.


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This is a great thread. I have only been trading for 4 years and am just starting to make $$$$. So much to learn. I ordered some charting books before I left on a working vacation and haven't opened them yet. Looking forward to gaining some understanding of charts. Diana-it sounds like you know a lot about programming-would you please email me at dhkiontke@aol.com? I have a couple of technical questions and thought you may be able to help or refer me to someone. Thanks
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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
Comes from very old traditions still practiced today in the form of cockfighting and dog fighting. Bears and bulls were baited in fighting pits. The bear claws downward --the bull horns lift and throw. On the charts you are seeing bears clawing or bulls goring.


i never knew that is where these terms came from. thanks.

uncle milty


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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
MamboK-- i can't help wondering why somebody puts up no trespassing signs.


I'm sorry glassman, but I don't understand you. Could you explain.

Tx.


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In the 1400's mapmaker's would write on the charts in the unknown area's --here there be dragons-- I like dragon hunting-LOL- a no trespassing sign peaks my curiosity-- when the broker's told me to steer away from pennies i had to go look for myself--LOL
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I got you.
and yes same thing happen to me. I had to check for myself too and I don't regretted.

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