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Im confused I thought ibiz got the rites from a company in israel..... can they they sell those rites some how to siemens...I caint say I understand all that....
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..in my opinion IBIZ has bought the (exclusive) license from this Israel-firm to sell this product and so (if anyone other will use the technique of this VKB too) they first must ask IBIZ ! It's nearly (not exactly) the same like with this PDA-docking-system. The manufacturer is Synosphere, but IBIZ has all the rights to sell this product !
Maybe I'm wrong but I've understand it in this way !
Ciao
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id like to know how much ibiz might make off of this if anything... I would think that ibiz would have put news out about this wouldnt you.. some thing seems a little off here. Posts: 662 | From: nj | Registered: Jan 2004
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...the news was out friday....and they said the VKB inside this Siemens mobile phone SX1 (shown on CeBIT, Halle 26 Stand A.31/C.32) is from IBIZ. Such a mobile phone is not made from one day to the other day, so I think there must be a longer co-operation between Siemens and IBIZ then we know. And remember...last year Siemens already shown such an VKB too. The VKB wasn't born in 2003 ... the idea is much older...but now (for the first time) there's a really working (!) VKB available....that's new. And anyway ... if there will be a really co-operation with hard facts and contracts I'm sure...we will hear about ASAP.
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Could anyone helps asking IBZT Shareholder Dept. about where their VKB license covers when standing alone, and or installed in smartphone, PDA, PC...?Thanks
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Could anyone helps asking IBZT Shareholder Dept. about where their VKB license covers when standing alone, and or installed in smartphone, PDA, PC...?Thanks
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Since the partial answer is posted while mine posted. Appreciate it.
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neo,yes very interesting,adds more fuel to the debate over seimens using ibiz tech.or do they have own tech.for virtual keyboard,iv'e heard different things on this,this post leads me to think they have their own tech.also what is this about a spin-off of ibiz,which is supposed to be only r/d.to shareholders as of 9/25/2003,confused about this also,seems u would be the one to know,u seem to have been on top of ibzt for a long time,thanks
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This is what I found, they only mention VKB inc of Israel. This is a artical listed under search on Siemens website of VKB but Ibiz wasn't listed anywhere.
Virtual Keyboards -- Relief is at Hand Tired of pecking at tiny keyboards? Well now, relief is at hand. A virtual keyboard -- a representation of the real thing that can be projected on any flat surface -- will be available from Siemens worldwide this Fall. The projection even responds with a reassuring "click" every time you "press" a key. Just hook up a device about the size of a mobile phone to your PDA, computer, or other exasperatingly small device and go to work. A laser diode transmits an image of a standard-sized keyboard, which appears in front of the user as a red image. An infrared system transmits users' finger movements to a chip, which, in turn, determines the sequence of typed letters and reports this to the connected device. The system, which is expected to sell for around $100, responds to a maximum of 120 keystrokes per minute even in very bright surroundings. Developed by VKB Inc. of Jerusalem, Israel, the device offers an attractive solution for physicians who need both sterile and mobile computers in operating theaters. "Now mobile phones and PDAs can at last have a decent-sized keyboard," explains Boaz Arnon, CEO of VKB Inc. "This will allow many users to leave their laptops at home." (06/02/4)
quote:Originally posted by Neo: [URL=http://www.siemens.com/index.jsp?sdc_rh=null&sdc_flags=null&sdc_sectionid=0&sdc_secnavid=0&sdc_3dnvlstid=&sdc_countryid=0&sdc_mpid=0&sdc_unitid=999&sdc_conttype=2&sdc_contenti d=115]http://www.siemens.com/index.jsp?sdc_rh=null&sdc_flags=null&sdc_sectionid=0&sdc_secnavid=0&sdc_3dnvlstid=&sdc_countryid=0&sdc_mpid=0&sdc_unitid=999&sdc_conttype=2&sdc_content id=115[/URL] 9056&sdc_langid=1&
found this on siemens web page ...talks about keyboard but says nothing about ibzt
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Not sure about if this is their technology or VKB Inc's technology. From what I read on VKB's website, they don't say anything about Ibiz. Leads me to wonder does VKB own this technology and Ibiz is only a seller of the PDA version of it. Don't know the answer. looked all over Ibiz wesite and I don't read anywhere what there rights to Virtual Keyboard is.
quote:Originally posted by bimbo: neo,yes very interesting,adds more fuel to the debate over seimens using ibiz tech.or do they have own tech.for virtual keyboard,iv'e heard different things on this,this post leads me to think they have their own tech.also what is this about a spin-off of ibiz,which is supposed to be only r/d.to shareholders as of 9/25/2003,confused about this also,seems u would be the one to know,u seem to have been on top of ibzt for a long time,thanks
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i wonder if vkb is a public co.if so maybe we should buy it's stock,but website makes me think it's a private co.
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I know for a fact that ibiz just has liscence to sell the keyboards but deos not own patents they own rites to sell the keyboard in ceratin countries.
There was discussion about seimens and them haveing a laser keyboard, awhile back but I belive we came to the conclusion that they must have scraped there keyboard program for some reason. either that is what happened and now they are just leasing the technology from ibiz, or they have another liscence from vkb to sell the keyboard in another form or something, I dont belive anyone found info stating the aggrement that had been made between vkb and ibiz as far as restrictions on letting other companys use the technology, but one thing I do know is that first to market wins and that will be ibiz... that phone showed by siemens is a prototype but it is not in production as far as we know and it is for sure not for sale... where as the ibiz model is for sale.... so as far as the shock and awe value ibiz has it.... wether or not ibiz's cell phone version will be out before siemens is unknown... I have writen ibiz to ask about the siemens thing and will let you know if I get a response.... feel free to write vkb and ask them questions as well.....
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as for the spin off In my understanding ibiz split into 2 companies inorder for each half 2 focus on diffrent aspects of there field... our half we are continuly doing reaserch on..as for the other half I dont know anything about it,,, but I know our half makes the money from the keyboards and blue dock... "thats my understanding"
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The article mentions the VKB from IBZT..Siemens has to be paying IBZT for the VKB...This is HUGE news...read on brothers and watch this baby run Monday.
HOLY HANNA!!! NEWS,NEWS,NEWS!!!!.......
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GREAT NEWS ! ....the SIEMENS-MOBILE-PHONE SX1 (shown on CeBIT) will have a virtual LASER-keyboard (VKB) LICENCED by IBIZ !!!
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go to any yahoo messg.board to the bottom and do a subject search for ibzt,there are thousands of pumpers on hundreds of boards touting ibzt,its unreal how many there are all from 2day.i can't belive its random,got to be a program by someone,someone else check it out and tell me what u think
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The Seimens phone is not in production yet. The reason they do not have a stand alone keyboard that will work with computors PDAs & phones is because IBZT holds that license. In any event IBZTs VKB will be hitting the shelves a solid year before anyone else even gets a single application to the market. Matter of fact IBZT will have a Blue Tooth wireless VKB before Seimens model is here. Seimens saw the "wow" facter that IBZT got in Vegas & using it as a draw to compete with the other mobile phone companies. They are not a threat. JMVHO!
was written: "SIEMENS does have a WORKING prototype of the SX1-mobile-phone with integrated laser keyboard shown on CeBIT-2004"...and further in text..."that from IBIZ licensed 'virtual key board'..."
So in my opinion all is very clear:
1) IBIZ has the license for this VKB ! (from which firm IBIZ get this license is not interesting, because if they have the license, then only IBIZ have the rights and no other has the right to make an own VKB because patents are unique and protected! And "License" normally = "The Rights of a patent!")
2) SIEMENS show this WORKING mobile-phone-prototype NOW on the worlds largest computer show CeBIT in Hanover/Germany) ... so it's only a question of the time till we see this mobile phone on the market and many other mobile-phone-manufacturers (Ericson, Motorola, Nokia, Alcatel...) will follow them.
3) And as I heard already in older statements of IBIZ (take a look at the press-releases) they already working on a version for mobile phones which one shall come out in Q3-Q4/2004.
And at least....think real guys....think about!....isn't it the next step to build in a VKB inside mobile-phones and PDA's !?!? My answer is a BIG YES !!! Inside the next UMTS mobile-phones you have built in PDA-functions, colored TFT-screens to surf the internet with 6 times faster speed then ISDN, you can receive and send e-mails, pictures, videos and many more....so what do you think? ..what would you buy if you have the choice between a mobile-phone with all this functions and the normal very small keys or a mobile-phone with inside VKB ?
Think about !....it's only a question of time till we see much much more applications for this virtual laser keyboard (VKB) !
Ciao ... and sorry for my english ;-)
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Hey it sounds great and I would love to find out that it defenitly is as you say...siemens is paying for this liscence from ibiz but untill I know for sure I caint take that for granted.... that part in that article that mentioned ibiz could be a typo error from the reporter that wrote it..... maybe they saw the phone and the keyboard 2 tables away and belived they were working together... i dont know but I really really want to know....start writing some emails ... some one will have to answer us eventually!
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What's the role of CANESTA in this "game" ? Use IBIZ the CANESTA chipset ? On http://www.canesta.com/patents.htm you can see Canesta does own many patents ... does IBIZ use this patents ? ...these are the same patents like vor VKB Ltd. Israel ( http://www.vkb.co.il/ )?
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Hey all, just got back from vacation and see that iBIZ had a nice run week! Looks like there is a lot of news and speculation coming from Cebit. I saw a picture and small write up on the VKB in the Cebit Newpaper. Can't wait to see what next week holds. GLTA
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canesta has another kind of keyboard that functions with sound instead of seeing your finger tips it hears them... but it is belived that they ran into trouble, thus have not been able to maket anything....they have been there since all this ibiz stuff started but no one has heard anything about them acually doing anything. Posts: 662 | From: nj | Registered: Jan 2004
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I recomend the new people to this thread, go back and read the whole thing... alot of questions are answered there....
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What's the role of CANESTA in this "game" ? Use IBIZ the CANESTA chipset ? On http://www.canesta.com/patents.htm you can see Canesta does own many patents ... does IBIZ use this patents ? ...these are the same patents like vor VKB Ltd. Israel ( http://www.vkb.co.il/ )?
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Thanks for that link..... as for what I found there it seems that siemens has been working with vkb directly back in 2002.... they were trying to bring the key board to market back then but there were many delays and they have yet to do so.... it also seems they are some what focused on european sales... I wonder if they have the liscene to sell in europe and ibiz has it here in the states......very interesting ....would like some answers ...keep digin
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Siemens shows a functioning prototype of the SX1 with integrated laser keyboard to the CeBIT 2004 in resounds to 26 at the conditions A.31/C.32. --------At present it is not decided yet whether the equipment will so ever go into series.------- In addition shows iBiz - reports how - on the computer fair in Hanover the "Virtual key board" in resounds to 13 at the conditions C38 (A12). In contrast to the Siemens solution the iBiz product comes in April 2004 into the trade and can to PDAs, Smartphones or PC respectively Notebooks be attached.
the spot I have --- ---- is interesting ...it says they dont even know if they are bringing it to market... I think they might be waiting to see what response ibiz gets from consumers....and in my opinion from what I see there is no evidence that siemens is paying ibiz or working with ibiz on this project..I think siemens may be going through vkb some how...
For me not fully clear is the role of CANESTA ( http://www.canesta.com/ ) ?! Could it be....VKB Ltd. Israel was the first firm who invented the product.....CANETSA then make the hardware-chipset and sell them to different OEM's like Siemens, IBIZ, and so on ... and IBIZ is "only" the first of these OEM's who bring out an already working and on the market available VKB ?
What do you think ? Could bring anybody some "light" into this ? ...or ask the IBIZ-investor management directly what are the facts ? ...would be good in any case !
Ciao
Last Question: If CANESTA is the firm who build the chipsets isn't it better to invest in this firm ? But I cannot find any shares for CANESTA. Do they have public shares?
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I dont think they are traded but anyway...it is belived that they are a seperate company with no conection and a product that has not been brought to market.... where the ?'s lie is the relationship between vkb ibiz and simens....
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canesta is not presently part of the equation...vkb is the center of all this attention and really some one needs to get in contact with them some how and ask them what the deal is with them and there liscence aggrements with the companies we are discussing.....
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This morning I see the latest about the small, but important article about the Siemens smartphone using an integrated virtual keyboard.
I would hope that the reporter did not assume the linkage between Siemens and IBIZ, rather actually ask questions of both vendors while there. The latter would be the more likely scenerio, which would be out of this world news for IBIZ. It would seem to follow what Ken advises that Cell/Smartphone keyboards would be introduced to market this summer.
However, hopefully future announcements or some other form of confirmation can be established before we assume too much. Such linkage as reported in this article would have me smiling. Bo
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I find it hard to belive that we would find this out from some reporter in germany rather then a press release sanctioned buy ibiz...this is potential great!! news and i would be shocked if ibiz didnt want to share that it self... not to mention what I think i said earlyer about how siemens was previously dealing directly with vkb acording to articles.... and for them to now after dealking with vkb switch to dealing with ibiz sounds a little off..... I hope that is the case cause I would be thrilled to make some more dough but I am alittle aprehensive at this point.
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I think it is note worthy to say that even if ibiz and seimens are not working together the stock price will almost surly go up as a result of all the hype surrounding this topic. monday should be a very good day... imho
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