quote:Originally posted by 66inxs: why not make his life miserable like he did to some of the people who lost their butts on this stock? Some day one or more of the other players in this might slip up too. Patience is a virtue. Sometimes you just have to watch and wait. "10-10"
You may want to slow down before starting to make this Thomas Benson's life miserable. A long time ago it was discovered there are TWO Thomas Benson, CPAs -- one in NY and one in Michigan. CSHD's Benson is in Michigan.
Vineyard Group LLC is in NY.
your point and Tex's are well taken. i emailed them a concern that Vineyard's Benson probably was not the right one. thanks for the heads up. I was wrong and corrected it immediately. I never accused him of anything just asked why he was holding himself out as a CPA. In this case, the NY Benson IS entitled to hold himself out as a CPA.
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Tonight is just a showcase of what I alluded to earlier in the thread.
We have some real talent here and people who are willing to admit mistakes.
Also as Tex has stated, Leaving emotion at the door is ultra important.
Tonight just shows me that I'm right about the quality of people posting. Hopefully later tonight I'll be able to do a little work on the fledgling thread.
Good Luck All Wally
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We have always had a pretty good team here on Allstocks and I enjoy being a part of it. I will make a real effort to stay out of the drama and stick to the facts. I also hope i don't have a "black heart". Serenity in life is also a virtue.
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quote:Originally posted by T e x: well, omigosh...
personally, am not into the karma of "miserable-ness"...
but I see nothing wrong with credible follow-up in the interests of justice...
In other words, once again, this is business. No one should let emotions over-ride. That's how peeps get into stalking, midnight-harrasing phone calls, threats, etc.
As traders, we want--no, need--our personal lives to be as calm as possible.
Thick face, black heart: I know it "sounds" ominous...and can be "twisted" (oooh, Tex said 'black heart'), but seriously, that's the deal with trading. Like a surgeon, we're detached and all about the matter at hand... when we go in, and when we come out.
lol, hopeably, we don't leave a sponge inside...
Thrive among the cunning and ruthless through masterful dishonesty.....
Sad but true Mr T
beautiful graphic... but "masterful dishonesty" is not the point...
or, at least, not *my point."
Well, it didnt translate well from "my" point. And dishonest wasnt a good choice of words.
I was thrown off by the Thick skin, black heart comment and actually had the thought that "most" of us do live behind a guise. This business sort of forces us to do so.
How is this "Thrive among the cunning and ruthless through masterful discreetness"
If that doesnt make sense then I guess I dont know where you are going with your thick skin, black heart comment Posts: 2305 | From: Michigan | Registered: Jun 2006
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It makes it difficult for a group of people, like shareholders in a penny stock, to really all come together as a single unit. The reputation of the business just doesnt support it IMO. Its a playground for the dishonest.
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quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: It makes it difficult for a group of people, like shareholders in a penny stock, to really all come together as a single unit. The reputation of the business just doesnt support it IMO. Its a playground for the dishonest.
Actually if you learn the rules of the game you not only survive but can make money. Number one is to keep emotion out. Number two is to protect your capital, take the profit when it there.
We all have done it and probably still do it at times, I'm talking about waiting for the next leg up instead of cashing out and taking profits.
The deceitful use this to their advantage. It's called greed. Not saying that all people who look for a higher exit point are bad or that greed in and of itself is bad but those looking to take advantage of the retail buyer use it to their advantage.
Entry and exit strategy go hand in hand. One without the other spells doom.
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quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: It makes it difficult for a group of people, like shareholders in a penny stock, to really all come together as a single unit. The reputation of the business just doesnt support it IMO. Its a playground for the dishonest.
I disagree. If we can base decision on the other traders/investors that through time have proven themselves worthy and not on the dishonest business we can come together, to look at, analyze, discuss openly without character assassination, the business and prospects of these businesses, we can win.
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quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: It makes it difficult for a group of people, like shareholders in a penny stock, to really all come together as a single unit. The reputation of the business just doesnt support it IMO. Its a playground for the dishonest.
I disagree. If we can base decision on the other traders/investors that through time have proven themselves worthy and not on the dishonest business we can come together, to look at, analyze, discuss openly without character assassination, the business and prospects of these businesses, we can win.
"through time have proven themselves"
Thats what i meant by difficult. I agree with your post, but in some cases it may be too late once the people have come together.
The more stock related investigations I read about, the more I realize that "time" is an issue. The bad guys get it done in a flurry of mind blowing activity and then gone before the bottom falls out. Thats where the existence of emotions will hurt the trader. Without the emotion you should be able see through the flurry and act accordingly.
But if youre fortunate enough to meet some people along the way I suppose with each play you have a better and better chance of success. Posts: 2305 | From: Michigan | Registered: Jun 2006
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quote:Originally posted by 66inxs: We have always had a pretty good team here on Allstocks and I enjoy being a part of it. I will make a real effort to stay out of the drama and stick to the facts. I also hope i don't have a "black heart". Serenity in life is also a virtue.
Sticking to facts is crucial to my meaning of "black heart."
You demonstrated "thick face" by immediately owning up to your take on the same-names, different states.
In a different light, a boss I once had on a framing crew told us one morning, "If you ain't making mistakes...you ain't working very hard."
The corollary, though, is: always better to correct mistakes as soon as possible. Those without "thick face" have an over-riding ego that makes it difficult to concede mistakes.
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: It makes it difficult for a group of people, like shareholders in a penny stock, to really all come together as a single unit. The reputation of the business just doesnt support it IMO. Its a playground for the dishonest.
I disagree. If we can base decision on the other traders/investors that through time have proven themselves worthy and not on the dishonest business we can come together, to look at, analyze, discuss openly without character assassination, the business and prospects of these businesses, we can win.
"through time have proven themselves"
Thats what i meant by difficult. I agree with your post, but in some cases it may be too late once the people have come together.
The more stock related investigations I read about, the more I realize that "time" is an issue. The bad guys get it done in a flurry of mind blowing activity and then gone before the bottom falls out. Thats where the existence of emotions will hurt the trader. Without the emotion you should be able see through the flurry and act accordingly.
But if youre fortunate enough to meet some people along the way I suppose with each play you have a better and better chance of success.
Yes as we learn and share what we have learned the better we, as a group get. Those that allow emotion to drive them don't learn, they simple go on and on about how they were deceived.
Heck, I stayed away from this thread for a long time until someone came along to rabble rouse. I do have to say I learned a lot on this play, due to some very good people.
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quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: It makes it difficult for a group of people, like shareholders in a penny stock, to really all come together as a single unit. The reputation of the business just doesnt support it IMO. Its a playground for the dishonest.
I disagree. If we can base decision on the other traders/investors that through time have proven themselves worthy and not on the dishonest business we can come together, to look at, analyze, discuss openly without character assassination, the business and prospects of these businesses, we can win.
"through time have proven themselves"
Thats what i meant by difficult. I agree with your post, but in some cases it may be too late once the people have come together.
The more stock related investigations I read about, the more I realize that "time" is an issue. The bad guys get it done in a flurry of mind blowing activity and then gone before the bottom falls out. Thats where the existence of emotions will hurt the trader. Without the emotion you should be able see through the flurry and act accordingly.
But if youre fortunate enough to meet some people along the way I suppose with each play you have a better and better chance of success.
Yes as we learn and share what we have learned the better we, as a group get. Those that allow emotion to drive them don't learn, they simple go on and on about how they were deceived.
Heck, I stayed away from this thread for a long time until someone came along to rabble rouse. I do have to say I learned a lot on this play, due to some very good people.
Ive actually been in a comfortable position with this stock since around August 06 thanks to several members here. I had never been involved in anything like it and who knows what I may have done "on my own". I could have done a lot worse.
I could have done A LOT better too though Posts: 2305 | From: Michigan | Registered: Jun 2006
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quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: It makes it difficult for a group of people, like shareholders in a penny stock, to really all come together as a single unit. The reputation of the business just doesnt support it IMO. Its a playground for the dishonest.
Yup. IMO, that's why it is best to stick to the big boards.
I learned my lessons playing in the pennies. With the majority of these "companies," not all is as it seems. I made out well on a few of these scam plays, unfortunately I lost on a few too.
There are credible penny stocks out there, just gets real tiring sludging through the muck...
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My comment on the last page about paople getting banned on message boards was meant as humorous, in case not all were aware.
I was chuckling as I wrote it, as I'm sure those that know me were as well.
For those, that are unaware, I was banned from a pro Rufus board as some here have been. I was just there to cause trouble for the "company" and attempt to pull folks from the "death star" so to speak.
The dang force dun let me down tho, as my craft was destroyed! LOL
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quote:Originally posted by T e x: well, omigosh...
personally, am not into the karma of "miserable-ness"...
but I see nothing wrong with credible follow-up in the interests of justice...
In other words, once again, this is business. No one should let emotions over-ride. That's how peeps get into stalking, midnight-harrasing phone calls, threats, etc.
As traders, we want--no, need--our personal lives to be as calm as possible.
Thick face, black heart: I know it "sounds" ominous...and can be "twisted" (oooh, Tex said 'black heart'), but seriously, that's the deal with trading. Like a surgeon, we're detached and all about the matter at hand... when we go in, and when we come out.
lol, hopeably, we don't leave a sponge inside...
Thrive among the cunning and ruthless through masterful dishonesty.....
Sad but true Mr T
Is that a carbon credit?
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Was Samuel Israel's name ever thrown into the mix in cshd??? -
Fugitive hedge-fund swindler surrenders in Mass. By LARRY NEUMEISTER, Associated Press Writer 32 minutes ago
NEW YORK — A hedge fund swindler who set off a national manhunt when he faked his suicide to avoid reporting to prison surrendered Wednesday to Massachusetts police after three weeks in which authorities suspected he was hiding out in RV parks and highway rest areas. Authorities say his own mother helped broker the surrender.
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