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quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
I simply quoted something toward the top that mentions Harris so peeps could get an idea about the article, rather than merely posting a link. I seriously doubt the Myrtle Beach reporter knows much if anything about the CSHD mess... As I recall this is at least the second article on the real estate deal.

No worries, I didnt mean to come off so aggressive [Smile]

However, I disagree. I think that reporter knows a great deal about the CSHD mess....I just wonder who is feeding him with the info.

This part is fairly detailed IMO.

"The cowboy hat-wearing Harris, whose colorful image included business meetings at Hooters restaurants, had a devout following among penny-stock pickers on Internet discussion boards.

Harris and other Conversion Solutions executives used those discussion boards and news releases to tout a wild array of assets, including nearly $8 billion in foreign bonds and the rights to harvest all of the logs at the bottom of the Amazon River and its tributaries."

He is obviously being fed some info. However, is the comment about "the rights to harvest all of the logs at the bottom of the Amazon River and its tributaries." a bit off base? I believe those were Mike Alexanders claims.

I just personally have a problem with how the article was written. It was meant to be about the Condo project but IMO spent too much time on Rufus, CSHD and BBAN. Maybe its just me. [Smile]

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Someone had to "feed" that info to the reporter IMO

Hooters? Like that would be well known HHmmmm

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However, is the comment about "the rights to harvest all of the logs at the bottom of the Amazon River and its tributaries." a bit off base? I believe those were Mike Alexanders claims.

not really...seems like I remember them both pumping the log deal in July '06, then later when MA took another stab at it, he was gonna put "the assets" into CSHD holdings for "management."

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i suspect the writer is just really into investigative journalism cat..

see this?

Major Awards:
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* 2007 Taylor-Tomlin Award for Investigative Journalism
* Investigative reporter David Wren for his Five River Series


http://www.mcclatchy.com/146/story/361.html

he's their prime major award winner...

i didn't bother to look up how prestigious the Taylor-Tomlin Award for Investigative Journalism isn't ....

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mcclatchy...that's who bought the Knight Ridder papers, including the Star-Telegram.

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quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
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However, is the comment about "the rights to harvest all of the logs at the bottom of the Amazon River and its tributaries." a bit off base? I believe those were Mike Alexanders claims.

not really...seems like I remember them both pumping the log deal in July '06, then later when MA took another stab at it, he was gonna put "the assets" into CSHD holdings for "management."
I spoke to Rufus myself and he said the log deal wasnt what they hoped for. He later said it on SPR I believe.

I do recall the second part of your post though. I have my thoughts about that but ill keep my koolaid style opinions to myself [Smile]

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quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
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However, is the comment about "the rights to harvest all of the logs at the bottom of the Amazon River and its tributaries." a bit off base? I believe those were Mike Alexanders claims.

not really...seems like I remember them both pumping the log deal in July '06, then later when MA took another stab at it, he was gonna put "the assets" into CSHD holdings for "management."
I spoke to Rufus myself and he said the log deal wasnt what they hoped for. He later said it on SPR I believe.

I do recall the second part of your post though. I have my thoughts about that but ill keep my koolaid style opinions to myself [Smile]

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ROCKWALL, TX, Jul 13, 2006 (MARKET WIRE via COMTEX) -- The FrontHaul Group (OTCBB: FHAL) has gone through a recent transformation and Market News first would like to invite you to join us in welcoming Rufus Paul Harris the new CEO of this company for an Live Exclusive Discussion.
The FrontHaul Group is a publicly held Delaware corporation with branch offices in Rockwall, TX. The FrontHaul Group expects to grow their business specifically in the areas of 3rd party logistics, which includes but is not limited too Transportation Brokerage and Motor Carrier services.

The Company has recently signed a letter of intent with CEOTA and The Brazilian Government to have the exclusive rights in removing the sunken logs from the Amazon River.

Join Rufus Paul Harris, CEO FrontHaul Group, Mike the Analyst, and Dick Hunter today at 9:45 a.m. CDT on ***.com.

http://www.allstocks.com/stockmessageboard/ubb/ultimatebb.php/ubb/get_topic/f/8/ t/022582/p/33.html

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Yea, I talked to him after the July 13th interview. Im not saying that Rufus wasnt left with the log LOI....im just saying he said it wasnt what they expected.

Keep in mind that Mike tried to take that log deal with him over to ANLT.

In any case, I think we can all agree that CEOTA was a scam anyway. Id like to hear what Rufus would have to say about Gordon Brown / CEOTA today.

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Actually, if FHAL/CSHD signed an agreement with Brazil, couldn't that agreement have been used as collateral for the billions in bonds? I think so.
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quote:
Originally posted by Stockstar69:
Actually, if FHAL/CSHD signed an agreement with Brazil, couldn't that agreement have been used as collateral for the billions in bonds? I think so.

Maybe....but CEOTA (Climate Exchange of the Americas) turned out to be bogus so its hard for me to believe anything about log deals these days.

This reminds me. Does anyone happen to have the M N 1 interview when Mike Alexander and a man going by the name Gordon Brown (from CEOTA) discussed the log deal? Im pretty sure there were two interviews, one with just the Fronthaul guys and another with that Gordon Brown representing CEOTA. I cant seem to find the one with Gordon.

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why is this still a thread? not being an a$$ just curious.

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quote:
Originally posted by Free Muney:
why is this still a thread? not being an a$$ just curious.

Because the SEC has not finished with their "discovery" so the case is still active IMO.
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Interestingly enough MA has started posting on HSM.
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quote:
Originally posted by Igor R:
Interestingly enough MA has started posting on HSM.

Yup, some good ones too........

Someone asked him who he "gifted" his shares to. His answer.

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hey all, gave shares to friends and relatives so I didn't have to make anymore decisions here...I considered breaking them down to the existing shreholders but you guys were jerks to me.

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and jerks to DP and James Gee and all the people I cared about....trying to help this company...I even tried to give them to RPH so he could hypothecate on them...

and then.........

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k finally, sry I have a slow connection...I have never called rufus a crook...I don't agree with all the ways he treated me but whatever...I'm a big boy...

The first and only document I signed was in rufus' horse bard he was leasing. Later when I pointed out the preferred shares he came to texas and offered himself a way out of the ceo...ship his coincern was the SEC without cause was going to put the company in receivership...I agreeed. So we exercised my 500,000 preferred shares which is 50 mill common and I took the company back over to stop the SEC from piutting us in receivership...I tried to sell a bond that I found I didn't have the right to sell and figured I am way out of my league...rufus please take this back because I dont know **** about this ....With honor he did....then the SHC with JA and James Gee decided they could run the company better without rufus due to the fact the felt his focus had been lost...I proxied my voting to James Gee. and they used the vote to remove Rufus again....several weeks later I suggest to JG to let rufus have it back as he seem to be the only one with the complete knowledge to get this company moving forward...that never happened...the SEC shut us down for lack of proper financial and counsel...btw that cost me 7500 USD cause of the piece of **** attorneys office in atlanta that refuses to pay me back...So when the SEC shut us down I lost about 150,000,000 go figure

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Sorry, not trying to spam the board. But....for Mike to suddenly pop up out of no where posting things like this seemed somewhat relevant. There is more at H S M if anyone is interested.

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Update : Some questions we asked of Bodi to determine for certain that it is MA. Apparently he answered incorrectly.....currently its suspect whether or not thats really MA posting under Bodi's screen name.
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Hi CAT:

yeah i think Ceota was the only part of the trail which you and i concluded with absolute certainty was a fraud. i got two responses from them asking for money and when i requested info i got a canned response twice. I always thought it curious that this was the part of the deal that MA was bringing to the table. Unfortunately it hooked RPH as well. CAT if u and i had come to our conclusions on Ceota sooner i might have gotten more of my shares out between $3 and $4. oh well.

What are u trading now and how is it going?

Ive doubled up in 07 on UVE and expect it to get to $10-13 whenever the market comes back. Im in at $3and change so not too worried plus her fundamentals are way to strong. If u get some I donít recommend holding through Floridaís hurricane season. Playing w fire. - CON

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quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
Update : Some questions we asked of Bodi to determine for certain that it is MA. Apparently he answered incorrectly.....currently its suspect whether or not thats really MA posting under Bodi's screen name.

[Roll Eyes] [Good Luck]
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Don't waste time looking for the *** interview that included Gordon Brown. I remember it well because I bought just prior to the interview and almost sold right afterward. Nothing of substance came out of it, except for lies. They said they couldn't get anything signed because of the World Cup Soccer going on at the time. I remember them saying that the country was like on a 3 day siesta, which pissed me off. I'm half Latino and hate the stereotypes. One thing that Gordon did say was that the contracts were done except for the signing.

Also Mike and I think Randy were laughing and saying that they couldn't say much but that something big was coming down. It was shortly after that we found out about the merger.

As far as Bodi being Mike? I believe that it was confirmed at one time on PalTalk but I wasn't there so it would be second hand info. His saying he gifted shares to many different individuals makes sense, since no one has ever filed showing ownership of 10% or 5% which I believe would have been necessary. Hey and what better way of hiding than spreading them out.

At this point it really doesn't matter since the shareholders are the ones that got screwed. Hopefully the 3 letter agencies do their jobs and get to the bottom of this.

I've put this on the back burner of the house 3 blocks away so it doesn't interfere with my trading. It's more of wanting to read the end of a very long novel that half way through I knew would not have a good ending but keep reading anyway.

I wish all good luck here.

A few stocks to look into that night do well IF and WHEN the markets rebound. Not saying to buy just look at, do the DD and then decide.

UBET
PWPY
SIRI if the merger goes through but nice and low now
SPKL
PTSC but probably around April 15th

Remember do your own DD, Don't blame me if they tank and don't give me any credit if they make money. It's up to you to decide whether to press the button or not so all the credit goes to you.

GLTA
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quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
Update : Some questions we asked of Bodi to determine for certain that it is MA. Apparently he answered incorrectly.....currently its suspect whether or not thats really MA posting under Bodi's screen name.

[Roll Eyes] [Good Luck]
Uhhh....what? Good luck with what?

Its my understanding that Bodi was asked a question that only MA would know and the answer to and Bodi answered incorrectly. If you disagree with me thats fine but take notice that I used the words "apparently" and suspect".

What is your opinion on the subject?

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quote:
Originally posted by thecon00:
Hi CAT:

yeah i think Ceota was the only part of the trail which you and i concluded with absolute certainty was a fraud. i got two responses from them asking for money and when i requested info i got a canned response twice. I always thought it curious that this was the part of the deal that MA was bringing to the table. Unfortunately it hooked RPH as well. CAT if u and i had come to our conclusions on Ceota sooner i might have gotten more of my shares out between $3 and $4. oh well.

What are u trading now and how is it going?

Ive doubled up in 07 on UVE and expect it to get to $10-13 whenever the market comes back. Im in at $3and change so not too worried plus her fundamentals are way to strong. If u get some I donít recommend holding through Floridaís hurricane season. Playing w fire. - CON

Ive basically frozen my account. I started all of this June of 06 and to be honest it all sort of stinks to me. Quite honestly if I didnt have a dime invested in this company id still follow it a little because it has been a strong learning experience in a lot of ways.

Anyway, as far as CEOTA goes...it was obvious that they were bogus earlier enough for me to get out. It was also pretty obvious that Fronthaul was dealing with toxic financing very early. To be honest, thats oddly part of what kept he hanging on. It has always appeared that CVSU came along to nail some people that deserve to be nailed so I chose to stick around for the duration.

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Wally, I agree that Bodi was confirmed to be MA long ago. I was commenting that it wasnt believed to be MA posting as Bodi that particular day. All rumor and speculation of course.

Oh, and I remember the situation with the contracts in Brazil. It was during the World Cup. That was the excuse, they said that even the government shuts down to watch it.

edit : duh you said World Cup. "Yea, what he said"

[BadOne]

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by thecon00:
Hi CAT:

yeah i think Ceota was the only part of the trail which you and i concluded with absolute certainty was a fraud. i got two responses from them asking for money and when i requested info i got a canned response twice. I always thought it curious that this was the part of the deal that MA was bringing to the table. Unfortunately it hooked RPH as well. CAT if u and i had come to our conclusions on Ceota sooner i might have gotten more of my shares out between $3 and $4. oh well.

What are u trading now and how is it going?

Ive doubled up in 07 on UVE and expect it to get to $10-13 whenever the market comes back. Im in at $3and change so not too worried plus her fundamentals are way to strong. If u get some I donít recommend holding through Floridaís hurricane season. Playing w fire. - CON

Ive basically frozen my account. I started all of this June of 06 and to be honest it all sort of stinks to me. Quite honestly if I didnt have a dime invested in this company id still follow it a little because it has been a strong learning experience in a lot of ways.

Anyway, as far as CEOTA goes...it was obvious that they were bogus earlier enough for me to get out. It was also pretty obvious that Fronthaul was dealing with toxic financing very early. To be honest, thats oddly part of what kept he hanging on. It has always appeared that CVSU came along to nail some people that deserve to be nailed so I chose to stick around for the duration.

I felt the same about the Logging deal and was ready to get out, the merger with CVSU is what not only kept me in but got me to involve family members. Heck, if I had been savvy enough maybe Rufus stating that the logging deal wasn't what they expected would have been the red flag instead of confirmation that he was on the up and up. AH hindsight.

I do have to say that I did make money on CSHD because I sold when the lemon came along and caused the PPS to dip, or should I say crash. I bought back a few thousand shares just in case and still have them. I'm willing to wait until I have to declare them a total loss, if for no other reason than IT MAKES no sens to sell at his point.

GLTA
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story ended a long time ago crazies. keep the shares, scrub the board.
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Where are the logs? Where are the logs? Billions in carbon credits. Maybe that was what was in the sealed envelope?

Amazon Deforestation Surging Again - Scientist

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WASHINGTON - Deforestation of the Amazon has surged in recent months and is likely to rise in 2008 for the first time in four years, a senior Brazilian government scientist said on Wednesday.

The rise raises questions over Brazil's assertion that its environmental policies are effectively protecting the world's biggest rain forest, whose destruction is a major source of carbon emissions that drive global warming.

"I think the last four months is a big concern for the government and now they are sending people to do more law enforcement," Carlos Nobre, a scientist with Brazil's National Institute for Space Research, told a seminar in Washington.

"But I can tell you that it (deforestation) is going to be much higher than 2007."

Nobre, whose government agency monitors the Amazon and gathers data, said that 2,300 square miles (6,000 square km) of forest had been lost in the past four months.

That compares with an estimated 3,700 square miles (9,600 square km) in the 12 months ended July 31, which Brazil officials hailed as the lowest deforestation rate since the 1970s.

Brazil's government has said that policies such as more controls on illegal logging and better certification of land ownership were reducing the deforestation that has destroyed about a fifth of the forest -- an area bigger than France -- since the 1970s.

But environmental groups have warned that rising global commodity prices are likely to fuel more clearing of land for farms, as occurred in 2004 when Brazil recorded the highest deforestation rate of more than 10,400 square miles (27,000 square km ).


LAND USE CHANGES

Nobre said the cause of the recent surge was unclear, but that the major drivers of deforestation such as illegal logging and land clearing for cattle farming remained intact, despite the recent annual declines in forest clearing.

"All those drivers of change are there. The three years of reduced deforestation ... did not bring by themselves a cure for illegal deforestation," he said.

Destruction of forests produces about 20 percent of man-made carbon dioxide emissions, making conservation of the Amazon crucial to limiting rises in global temperatures.

But the government has struggled to stem deforestation, partly due to strong global demand that has made Brazil one of the world's biggest food suppliers. Environmental groups also warn that a rash of planned infrastructure projects in the coming years could bring more settlers to untapped regions.

"Infrastructure is associated with aggressive and progressive land use change," said Nobre, noting that 90 percent of Amazon deforestation occurred within 30 miles (50 km) of roads.

He also warned that continued high world oil prices were likely to result in a surge in demand for Amazon land to produce ethanol, the alternative transport fuel for which global demand is already booming.

"If oil prices keep increasing there will be an explosion of biofuel production in the Amazon, contrary to Brazilian government policy," Nobre said.

(Reporting by Stuart Grudgings; Editing by Cynthia Osterman)


Story by Stuart Grudgings

Story Date: 18/1/2008

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quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
story ended a long time ago crazies. keep the shares, scrub the board.

You don;t have to read this board.
The ones that are still interested have a right to be able to. IMO

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Trade04, I still post here beacuase I had purchased an interest in the company. Despite the current market value, it is still a purchase that is still active.

If you want me to stop posting, ill be happy to sell you my shares so it is now your interest and not mine. Ill move on if i have no shares. Interest in this is probably about $13,000.

Deal?

If not then [Were Down] and keep reading this thread cause its not goin away!!

[Were Up]

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Where are the logs? Where are the logs? Billions in carbon credits. Maybe that was what was in the sealed envelope?

sealed envelope?

most plausible idea I've seen was that it was simply private banking account records...ie, privacy restrictions intervened. No DD to back that up, but it seems logical...

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Hehe.. it's one of these threads, eh?

I actually found this thread (and few others like it.. DKAM etc) kinda useful.. One of the side goals of my project is to check how discussion forum activity correlates with trading activity .. and a thread like this, going back seventeen years, with people so emotionally involved that they're willing to sit and hold through anything, it's the perfect specimen.

If you plot the volume of messages per day alongside the trading volume on a stock chart, they actually appear somewhat correlated -- higher trading activity (and the price movement that usually accompanies it) is often reflected in higher message activity on the discussion board.

I guess it sorta intuitively makes sense, seeing how the people on the forum are a subset of the general trading population.


But aside from this curious angle, I have to sympathize with Trade04.. this thread keeps coming up to the top of the page over and over again, even though the stock is pretty much worthless. Just waiting for some newb to get roped in..

It would be very cool to have a forum where stock discussions were ordered by how the actual stocks are performing, not how much noise people were making around them. It would be that much easier to see whether you're sticking with a loser of a stock, or riding the new hot wave. Humm.. making that is one of the not-so-side goals of my project.. [Smile]

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Fourseven,

I dont think anyone here is attempting at "roping in" any newbies. If someone new posts we always give them the advice to stay clear due to an active SEC investigation.

However, I do believe this thread (and the several threads that preceded this one regarding FHAL and CSHD) is a good example of how a message board can influence trading activity of a stock such as this.

Its also very easy to match radio interviews with M N 1 and officers of this company to severe DROPS in pps because of how the interview was handled and comments made by the hosts after the interview was finished. And then there are the analyst sites that claim to be helping traders and investors choose a stock. Some of them seem to pump a stock for a bit followed by the opposite.

I can confidently say that this thread is currently not causing an effect on the volume or pps of this stock. Its a gray sheet stock and if a newbie comes along they should do their own DD to understand what the investigation is about and also what it means to be on the grays.

With all of that said, I am interested in your project. [Smile]

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oh, hey, no, i wasn't saying that there's ill intent here.. it's just that newbs tend to rope themselves in without much coercin' .. i know i did [Smile]

so, Catia, you think a message board like that actually has some influence over how a thinly traded (sub)penny stock behaves? there's enough people to start a brush-fire and move the pps with volume? interesting.. i guess it's plausible, when no institutions are trading the stock..

check your PM for more info on my project..

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quote:
Originally posted by fourseven:

But aside from this curious angle, I have to sympathize with Trade04.. this thread keeps coming up to the top of the page over and over again, even though the stock is pretty much worthless. Just waiting for some newb to get roped in..

i believe exackkkly the opposite.

if anybody gets roped in now they deserve to be separated from their money.

if this isn't a warning thread? i don't know what is.

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quote:
Originally posted by fourseven:
oh, hey, no, i wasn't saying that there's ill intent here.. it's just that newbs tend to rope themselves in without much coercin' .. i know i did [Smile]

so, Catia, you think a message board like that actually has some influence over how a thinly traded (sub)penny stock behaves? there's enough people to start a brush-fire and move the pps with volume? interesting.. i guess it's plausible, when no institutions are trading the stock..

check your PM for more info on my project..

Yup, I absolutely believe that. Especially if you have a handfull of people with 20k or 30k each on a .02 or so stock. I watched it happen on more than one stock and kept my distance. Not necessarily on this board but its happening on a regular basis IMO.
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Hi, ALL
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Howdy ho!
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This thread was almost to the bottom,ya just know we can't have that LOL
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