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Record date was yesterday, and I think confusion reigns supreme again, as with most dividend plays. People sold off yesterday and today, probably thinking that they still get the dividend.

I just got in at $19.80, on the chance that what happened with WTMK and NEGI happens here.

Even if not, it should bounce from here once people realize taht they sold prematurely.

Good luck if you get in!

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Yahoo says the ex-div date is 2/23

I was able to find information otherwise.

This stock did not go "Ex-Div" on the 23rd.

I think the divy has not happened yet.

Does anyone know where to find the "Daily List"
for NYSE stox?

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Trying to find it duncan. I'll post when I do. It's obviously not gone ex-date yet, or some people made a killing [Smile]
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Wait so we can still buy in and get the divi?

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Yeah ST22. It SHOULD open up on Friday at around $10, but as I found with WTMK and NEGI, it doesn't always open where it should (WTMK) or it can immediately start climbing back up (NEGI).

Seeing as this is a big board stock, I'm assuming it'll just go how you would expect, i.e., it will open at around $10 on Friday and stay there, but I'm taking a shot at it anyway.

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Called ETRADE---i'm in, its good
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quote:
Originally posted by Zacktrade:
Called ETRADE---i'm in, its good

so what did they say??

also are u guys planning to hold the stock until its pps go up??

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I'm going to hold til it hits $11+ a share. Etrade said it's good up until the day before the ex-div date of 3/2. I would get in today to be sure though...
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No, we can buy it any time on Thursday.

Just hold it at the close.

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hey guys, just wondering if the aim is to receive the $10 div, and hold the shares and wait until it goes up and then sell??

so if the pps goes to $11+ then we make $1 on top of say $20?? 5%?

is it usually worth doing or would ppl be selling once they receive the dividend?

cheers

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gp, you are correct in your assupmtion about $11 being the equivalent of 5%.

I've only played this type of thing 2 times, but made money on both. I feel like this one is more likely to play out as you'd expect, i.e., stay at $10 after the dividend, because it is a big board stock.

For some reason, dividend plays seem to work diferent with penny stocks.

It's just that I see very little downside here, and a decent potential upside if a broker screws up and let's you sell on the ex-date for an unadjusted price, or if the price rebounds on a "bounce" off of $10 with buying pressure from people that didn't realize the drop was due to a dividend.

like any of these stock, it's just a gamble.

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Does anyone have a link to the terms of the divi handy?
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Does it need to settle before thursday?

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Did you see the 52 week range? Historically this doesnt move at all lol.

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Duncan, and Nel, here's what I found for the divi. Doubt this would be equivalent to the daily list, but I'm going by tis for now:

http://www.earnings.com/company.asp?client=cb&ticker=hma#

Thanks to Jim Profit at IHub for the link

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LOL, this company is taking on addditional debt to pay this div.

http://biz.yahoo.com/seekingalpha/070131/25688_id.html?.v=1

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I only have 25 shares but a $250 dividend showed up in Fidelity account today for this one!
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Metal, thanks for the link. Definitely interesting. Oh well, I took a shot.

Interestingly. It appears that 400,000 shares traded at around $20 this morning. I wonder if some people got really lucky, or if those trades will be cancelled. now shows bid x ask in the $10 range.

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LOL, this company is taking on addditional debt to pay this div.

http://biz.yahoo.com/seekingalpha/070131/25688_id.html?.v=1


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Can we sell today safely or do i have to wait until tomorrow? I haven't received my shares yet (ETRADE).
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two things.

1) you may have a hard time selilng tomorrow, since it's saturday and all [Smile]

2) What shares did you not receive? It was a cash dividend.

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Originally posted by Zacktrade:
Can we sell today safely or do i have to wait until tomorrow? I haven't received my shares yet (ETRADE).


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the cash lol, and yes, i meant monday :-P

Too little sleep...

I was on the phone w/ETRD and one guy said i wasn't elegible b/c i didn't buy on the 27th, another said maybe i was; if not, who the f' gets my 10$ a share?

I am on hold right now talking to a top level trading guy.

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they're all retarded. It's not that hard to understand. If you bought it yesterdaym, the guy you bought it from held it on the record date, so he had the right to the dividend, but since he sold the shares to you, he sold the right to the dividend with it.

Just to avoid the hassle of having to spend anotehr day on the phone with them next week, you may just want to hold a efw days and let the dust settle. But yeah, you can sell today and you'd still get the dividend.

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okay cool; are you selling today? 10.28 isn't bad...but i am sorta hoping for 11 next week...

what's ur take?

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Holding. Thikn it will get us the 5% up to $11ish. Will actually plan to hold longer if it looks like it will go more.
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Hey PCola, I came up with a different strategy that is almost fool proof when it comes to dividend plays, specifically qualified dividends.

I'm going to the OPtion lounge to discuss more.

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Hit $10.95 this morning and is at 10.80 right now. I'm still holding though, what about the rest of you guys, anyone still in it?
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Still no dividend in my account. They claim I have to be on record as of 2/27...

I'm getting really frustrated here b/c all my money is tied up in the invisible dividend.

I know i'm entitled to it, otherwise i get screwed out of $10/share. Who else would have my rights?

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Exactly. Although it could be worse. Holding on this long has allowed you to get some profit. So just hope it keeps going up [Smile]
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You will get your divy.

NASDAQ has the money and will divy it out.

Relax. Takes time.

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well i've sold now...i guess i'll just give it more time :-p
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You dont need to hold the stock after the Ex-Div day!

After the price is moved down, you will get the divy.

You can safely sell immediately.

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The whole idea of dividend play is either make some profit before divy and get out or stay in and get divy and benefit from six months ride back up to pre-announcement price of divy. It happened to SKS, EMMS, and almost all others I could think of.
Remember, the company is giving out special dividends becuase they have load of cash and want to meke their investor happy. Usually, when companies are sitting on a pile of cash, they have two choices. Either buy back the stock or give out special dividends. In second choice, many good firms officers end up buying more company stocks with money they received from the special dividends and lowered stock price ex-dividends.

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Now, GRM is giving out $15 special dividends. It is approximately equal to 34% of current share value. The share price hase risen $4 since the announcement. I believe, it will go up another $2~$3 before stablizing or even retreat some of the gains. The best play is buy 1000 shares and sell 500 shares after little profit ($2 per share to be safe). Keep the remainder for three to six months until it goes back to $35+ range.

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I don't think you're posting the right symbol. GRM isn't coming uo in any of the places I've looked.
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Nevermind, I see it's GMR. I'll look into it more tomorrow. Thanks for the heads up.
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