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Humble , could you please point out the facts for me ? Because where I am standing , the only fact is we have lost all of our money and the people responsible will probably get off scott free .
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quote:Originally posted by thesource: Humble , could you please point out the facts for me ? Because where I am standing , the only fact is we have lost all of our money and the people responsible will probably get off scott free .
The decrease in PPS IS the only fact that can be verified to this point and I am glad to discuss it with you.
No one in there right mind would deny the fact that selling at $4 would have been a great play. However, most did not and are therefore sitting on a less-than-optimal return or a loss to some extent (and some to a great extent).
Everyone who is aggressive in the market will have a dog in their wallet at some point. The big decision is whether to sell or hold for a turnaround. Both are valid strategies based on very personal circumstances. No one can tell another how to handle a investment that is in the hole. It stinks, period; and the decision to sell or hold is a tough one.
Your posts indicate that you have made your choice to move on and for that I wish you luck in rebuilding. But for everyone who has made the choice to hold for a chance at redemption, you really seem to be trying very hard to soothe your own conscience by trying to get others to follow your lead.
The game is still afoot and the outcome is yet to be officially determined. That means that the folks still holding stand a chance at something positive from a seemingly negative situation. I wish good luck to them as well.
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the question i have is should we buy this stock for a dime. Or is that chasing good money after bad!
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quote:Originally posted by Ocqueoc: Wally or Humble?
I have a question.I never believed tut was the legal ceo but,
IF tut was never the legal ceo? Why is he sending out a PR resigning?
IF he's not the legal ceo? How can he appoint a B.O.D? { I don't think he can imo}
I think I'll wait and read pacer And hear the words from the horse's mouth
All I know is that no one knows what is true right now. As, you said, watch for a ruling... nothing else matters.
I spoke to a woman at Integrity Stock today; they are not commenting on the O/S or any other issues with this company right now. They are utterly stuck in the middle of this and do not know who to believe. If there are dirty hands at that office, they are sweating as of late.
Edited: Forgot to mention that they issued the certs I requested back to the DTCC in a very short amount of time. Obviously they believe the sheets at the DTCC have not been overextended. I wonder how many certs are in the DTCC vault relative to the true O/S? We will probably never know.
quote:Originally posted by Ocqueoc: Wally or Humble?
I have a question.I never believed tut was the legal ceo but,
IF tut was never the legal ceo? Why is he sending out a PR resigning?
IF he's not the legal ceo? How can he appoint a B.O.D? { I don't think he can imo}
I think I'll wait and read pacer And hear the words from the horse's mouth
First off there are a few things that don't add up. Why is the PR based from Lake Dallas when we had a PR stating that the move to Lake Dallas was not taking place? If TUT is ill and in the Hospital how is he putting out a PR? Isn't it a little suspcious that John "Tut" Arlitt was susposed to have great news about funding and a JV but not only ends up in the Hospital on his return but steps down and returns the company to Rufus. IMO, it was a concession speech and nothing more.
If he is ill, I hope he gets better.
Wally
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quote:Originally posted by Ocqueoc: Wally or Humble?
I have a question.I never believed tut was the legal ceo but,
IF tut was never the legal ceo? Why is he sending out a PR resigning?
IF he's not the legal ceo? How can he appoint a B.O.D? { I don't think he can imo}
I think I'll wait and read pacer And hear the words from the horse's mouth
First off there are a few things that don't add up. Why is the PR based from Lake Dallas when we had a PR stating that the move to Lake Dallas was not taking place? If TUT is ill and in the Hospital how is he putting out a PR? Isn't it a little suspcious that John "Tut" Arlitt was susposed to have great news about funding and a JV but not only ends up in the Hospital on his return but steps down and returns the company to Rufus. IMO, it was a concession speech and nothing more.
If he is ill, I hope he gets better.
Wally
The whole corporate take over was an "oversight". HAHAHA!!!
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quote:Originally posted by Ocqueoc: Wally or Humble?
I have a question.I never believed tut was the legal ceo but,
IF tut was never the legal ceo? Why is he sending out a PR resigning?
IF he's not the legal ceo? How can he appoint a B.O.D? { I don't think he can imo}
I think I'll wait and read pacer And hear the words from the horse's mouth
First off there are a few things that don't add up. Why is the PR based from Lake Dallas when we had a PR stating that the move to Lake Dallas was not taking place? If TUT is ill and in the Hospital how is he putting out a PR? Isn't it a little suspcious that John "Tut" Arlitt was susposed to have great news about funding and a JV but not only ends up in the Hospital on his return but steps down and returns the company to Rufus. IMO, it was a concession speech and nothing more.
If he is ill, I hope he gets better.
Wally
The whole corporate take over was an "oversight". HAHAHA!!!
Now that's funny.
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OK..pups needed to eat...so now I am up...A couple of questions... 1) Wally why are you still up? 2) If JA did in fact go over seas to get some funding? AND he succeeded as we were lead to think..why is it he is unable to bring that funding to the tables at this time? Why was it not PR'd? Does that long awaited funding leave with Tut? 3) How many days do they have to "file" this PR? 3? or 4? 4)Is this just some sort of set up to get the whole damn company back to the original responsible parties so that it can be completely shut down and forgotten? 5) Alana Black now has a message to contact some Bill guy? Does anyone know who he is with? The FBI?
And lastly...will Pigs Fly?
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Thanks for the plug . I'm doing a total overhaul it should be done this week. I'm hoping by sometime today. So if anyone does go to the website I think all the links on the home page aren't working right now,but it'll be well worth the down time for the new site. Now back to as the world turns.
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So how about a poll who really in all honestly think this still has some life in it.
I'm undecided but I can't help thinking why would all the major players be coming back to the company if it's dead. They would have to want to be locked up IMO if all the allegations against the co. are true.
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Ryan, i believe there is still life in this. Im a little confused why Sabra was included in the PR but im guessing it will be explained eventually.
Maybe its just a game of hot potato and Tuttles just tossed the tater back to Rufus and gang
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Good point on why the old folks would want to come back. I'd have to say they must truly think they have something and can get things going.
Why else??
Is it possible that when they left (if they left) they shares are restricted so they found out they could not sell and even if they could it wasn't worth it...and to may there restricted shares worth more in the future it would better suit them to return and do everything they could to make the company grow!
Just some thoughts.
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As far as I can tell. None of these people had any obligation to come back and assume leadership roles in the CO. Is that a correct assumption. Maybe because I have a rational thought pattern at least part of the time. If I was removed from my position and knew that the Co. was in deep doo doo. I wouldn't be going back to the Co. to run anything. Again that is the thought of a sometimes rational thinker. I believe we have yet to prove that anyone involved in this Co. is rational
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: As far as I can tell. None of these people had any obligation to come back and assume leadership roles in the CO. Is that a correct assumption. Maybe because I have a rational thought pattern at least part of the time. If I was removed from my position and knew that the Co. was in deep doo doo. I wouldn't be going back to the Co. to run anything. Again that is the thought of a sometimes rational thinker. I believe we have yet to prove that anyone involved in this Co. is rational
Yea, but until i see a filing i will stick to my hot potato theory. If Arlitt released that PR so he could bail, it could entirely be possible that the people listed as the officers in the PR never saw it coming. Its a reach but nothing surprises me here anymore.
A filing will clear this up for me.
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quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: As far as I can tell. None of these people had any obligation to come back and assume leadership roles in the CO. Is that a correct assumption. Maybe because I have a rational thought pattern at least part of the time. If I was removed from my position and knew that the Co. was in deep doo doo. I wouldn't be going back to the Co. to run anything. Again that is the thought of a sometimes rational thinker. I believe we have yet to prove that anyone involved in this Co. is rational
Yea, but until i see a filing i will stick to my hot potato theory. If Arlitt released that PR so he could bail, it could entirely be possible that the people listed as the officers in the PR never saw it coming. Its a reach but nothing surprises me here anymore.
A filing will clear this up for me.
Agreed a filing will make it concrete. This goes back to last week though when surfer posted that he spoke to Ben and was told that Rufus was at the helm.
Hey Jenna Do you know if John really is ill? If he is can you pass on our best wishes, after all life is more precious than money!
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quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Ok- read it....not to surprised....because of something John said the last time I talked with him.....
Hmmmmmm
Hey buddy!!!
He told me & I believe Matt (not sure) - & (I didn't want people to panic)....he was saying that he may step down....OR... he may be removed "after everything" is taken care of because he was the one "wearing" the target....& once it's taken care of he thought he would have to step down......
so do you think this was planned or what????????.......& do you think that means this is "taken care of".....
....and I do believe that the funding that was attained will not be valid now....or it will be put on hold....but do not count on it....
...I have not talked with John since moments before he got on the plane....I do know that he recently had a death in the family & obviously was "down".....I hope that he is ok & does not have Lung CA. My prayers are with him.....that would explain him not being available & also would explain why he did not call back....
Usually, as soon as they confirm cancer, they treat the person immediately.....meaning surgey followed by chemo, but I hope it's just pneumonia....God Bless you John & I hope you are ok.....
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If all the earlier players are back (suddenly), where were they before?
Can someone check the file 4 with the SEC to see if any of them sold their holding when they left voluntarily, got fired, dissapeared a few months ago?
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