quote:Originally posted by Goodones: I think the MMs will walk this up today. A green close has been predicted.
there's no MM's to walk it up..AND? the only way that a sell goes through on this one? Is if a buyer matches the offer exactly...
There was someone that was posting yesterday that they had a sell order for .56...and complained that it never took...even though there were orders above and below...No one can see any of the orders and chances are that there was no one putting in an offer to buy for .56...but they did put in offers for the .60...the orders must match...there is no MM to make the tranaction...by bringing it up or down...the way that it trades right now...is what Peeps will sell and what peeps will buy...no one lining any pockets...no mirror trades or MM games...People putting there sells in higher? will make the others that really want it...bring the buy offer up...
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Thanks taxback I know it's gonna be good just very tiresome just like guiding light Reva is ALIVE again~ LOL still holding ....Listening to Ruffas now and stayed away for a week practically and that was a lot of catching up! It got to be a great soap here but dang I had to take a break and the sec will never admit to wrong doing but it is about time they step up to the plate and say they are sorry or is this how they raise their kids to be decieving just like the government going to the low class to get peeps to join the armed service but won't enlist thier own kids...watched a show on tv about it all...Government is chit and they just make thier pockets thicker not ours...~LOL I couldn't be low as them but hey it takes a special person to be in that position and there is all blackmail etc....
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Don't get me wrong on the service I am thankfull, That was at 18 yrs of age,for everyone and even signed with airforce but once I couldnt pass the hearing test they wouldnt take me which sucked!
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quote:Originally posted by Goodones: I think the MMs will walk this up today. A green close has been predicted.
there's no MM's to walk it up..AND? the only way that a sell goes through on this one? Is if a buyer matches the offer exactly...
There was someone that was posting yesterday that they had a sell order for .56...and complained that it never took...even though there were orders above and below...No one can see any of the orders and chances are that there was no one putting in an offer to buy for .56...but they did put in offers for the .60...the orders must match...there is no MM to make the tranaction...by bringing it up or down...the way that it trades right now...is what Peeps will sell and what peeps will buy...no one lining any pockets...no mirror trades or MM games...People putting there sells in higher? will make the others that really want it...bring the buy offer up...
Hi 10,
In this scenario, who makes the transactions?
* Do they go broker to broker? * Are the MM's not able to purchase? * Am I to believe that the brokers and MM's don't work together?
Just a few Q's about this.
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Mornin 10of13, I talked with Scottrade yesterday ... they said you call orders in and they are routed to a special dept and they, in turn, call mm's to present the order ... so, as I understand it, the mm's are still involved ... just what Scottrade told me.
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quote:Originally posted by milliam: If Mike was feeding me a line, then he's the best BSer I've ever seen.
As for confidence, I guess it was just how Mike was and his personality. I could be totally wrong here, but I believe his 100%. One of my major character flaws is that I always find something wrong with everything (my wife hates it too!). I'm very critical of people for that reason, but I'm right at 100% on Mike.
I hope you're right, and thanks again for going to the trouble and passing it on. It's just starting to look like their personality is ALL we really have to go by during very disturbing events.
I hope a full explanation of what has happened and what is about to happen and when will be released in a PR or PRs soon.
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The market makers are involved to the extent that they take the orders...but the way that I understand it they do not "Make the market" they don't control it, they don't bring an ask/bid up or down..they don't "see" all the's buys coming in...so up the ask...or all these sells coming in and bring it down... they simply take the orders and match them...there isn't any "control" by them...(this is my interpitation of how the greys work) I see no reason why the market makers that need to cover can not purchase...or why they couldn't purchase thinking it will move onto a trading level such as OTC.BB...or any other... My point is that at this time...THE SHARE HOLDERS REALLY HAVE THE CONTROL...if the people that have shares...don't sell? there is NO way that they MM's can fake it...with their little games...
Cool AZ? most of the brokers all say the same things...and it seems that most that "push" the issue end up having there order placed...but yes...each borker can do as they please...
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quote:Originally posted by Goodones: I think the MMs will walk this up today. A green close has been predicted.
there's no MM's to walk it up..AND? the only way that a sell goes through on this one? Is if a buyer matches the offer exactly...
There was someone that was posting yesterday that they had a sell order for .56...and complained that it never took...even though there were orders above and below...No one can see any of the orders and chances are that there was no one putting in an offer to buy for .56...but they did put in offers for the .60...the orders must match...there is no MM to make the tranaction...by bringing it up or down...the way that it trades right now...is what Peeps will sell and what peeps will buy...no one lining any pockets...no mirror trades or MM games...People putting there sells in higher? will make the others that really want it...bring the buy offer up...
I'm glad you said that 10- I wanted to shout,"THERE ARE NO MM'S" glad you did it for me & that was a great explaination...
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By the way, im quite sure i heard Rufus say last night that what is taking place right now is NOT grey sheet trading. He didnt even know what to call it i think, but he said we are not on the grey sheets. Whatever that means.
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quote:Originally posted by djg7: I'm going to the hunting shack. See you tomorrow or Friday depending on how drunk I get. Looks like Friday. Hold the fort down guys and gals.
GLTA
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I did not hear the show last night...but are you sure that he didn't mean "typical" grey sheet trading? Because was not what normally happens...there is seldom any volume with the grey sheet trading...IMO AND? i'm not sure what else one would call it...
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: By the way, im quite sure i heard Rufus say last night that what is taking place right now is NOT grey sheet trading. He didnt even know what to call it i think, but he said we are not on the grey sheets. Whatever that means.
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quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Hunting and drunk...? Not a good combo...
quote:Originally posted by djg7: I'm going to the hunting shack. See you tomorrow or Friday depending on how drunk I get. Looks like Friday. Hold the fort down guys and gals.
GLTA
In Wisconsin we DON'T take along guns... -wink-wink
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Jenna, if there is no bid or ask, it's gray sheets ... 10, I totally agree ... think it may not be such a bad thing, we actually make the market with what we give the mm's to match up. When we get good news, this thing could fly IMHO.
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quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: By the way, im quite sure i heard Rufus say last night that what is taking place right now is NOT grey sheet trading. He didnt even know what to call it i think, but he said we are not on the grey sheets. Whatever that means.
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Tax - please pass the kool-aid...I REALLY need some, I'm so PMSing right now & blaming CSHD for everything, CRAP- the lightbulb just blew - damn must be cshd's fault!!! So please pass it over or at least someone find those pretty glasses with the rose colored- lenses....
Alana & Bill sittin' in a tree...K-I-S-S-I-N-G...
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* Do they go broker to broker? * Are the MM's not able to purchase? * Am I to believe that the brokers and MM's don't work together?
Just a few Q's about this.
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: The market makers are involved to the extent that they take the orders...but the way that I understand it they do not "Make the market" they don't control it, they don't bring an ask/bid up or down..they don't "see" all the's buys coming in...so up the ask...or all these sells coming in and bring it down... they simply take the orders and match them...there isn't any "control" by them...(this is my interpitation of how the greys work) I see no reason why the market makers that need to cover can not purchase...or why they couldn't purchase thinking it will move onto a trading level such as OTC.BB...or any other... My point is that at this time...THE SHARE HOLDERS REALLY HAVE THE CONTROL...if the people that have shares...don't sell? there is NO way that they MM's can fake it...with their little games...
Cool AZ? most of the brokers all say the same things...and it seems that most that "push" the issue end up having there order placed...but yes...each borker can do as they please...
At 10:49 there were 2 transactions:
* both 10,000 shares at .52 * there were no other transactions at this price anywhere around this time. Am I to believe that this was purely coincidence?
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quote:Originally posted by cool AZ: Jenna, if there is no bid or ask, it's gray sheets ... 10, I totally agree ... think it may not be such a bad thing, we actually make the market with what we give the mm's to match up. When we get good news, this thing could fly IMHO.
How can CSHD go to Nasdaq after being on the grey's? Is it possible?
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quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by 10of13:
Hunting and drunk...? Not a good combo...
quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by djg7: I'm going to the hunting shack. See you tomorrow or Friday depending on how drunk I get. Looks like Friday. Hold the fort down guys and gals.
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I re-read that last post and it was too much speculation, and no substance... I think it is important durring these times to stick to the facts... it read as a baseless pump and I am not about that.
Let's see what happens.
La Viva L.O.C.A.
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quote:Originally posted by cool AZ: Jenna, if there is no bid or ask, it's gray sheets ... 10, I totally agree ... think it may not be such a bad thing, we actually make the market with what we give the mm's to match up. When we get good news, this thing could fly IMHO.
How can CSHD go to Nasdaq after being on the grey's? Is it possible?
without market makers willing to quote it, without complete, factual and up to date filings plus I believe there is a threshold trading price level. without all these things i would think not. one step at a time. NASDAQ maybe some day. not holding my breath all things considered!
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10, i cant recall his exact wording but Simon mentioned Grey sheets and Rufus sort of corrected him. Honestly, and embarassingly, i only half follow most of the interviews between Rufus and Simon these days. Mike said we need to listen ONLY to what comes from the company so im trying to do that. As most know, i still stand beside Rufus and i still want him to come out of this "innocent" but he is no longer an officer so he now speaks of his opinions. He actually spoke on that last night too because a listener questioned why he seemed to still speak for the company.
I think he wants to lead our shareholder committee personally. That way he can have his 8 hour interviews in the internet without being the CEO. As he has stated, the committee should have a lot of power when this all gets sorted out. Maybe he learned that lesson when they voted him out back in the BBAN days. Gain the compassion and support of the shareholders instead of living life as the "Company man".
Ok, im off my soap box. Waiting on some new facts to surface now so i can conjure up a new scenario in my head.
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Here is a thought that I still think Might play into this.
After we get our line of credit off the bond and quell the SEC the next line of action is another merger with A company that is already trading on either Nasdaq or Amex.
quote:Originally posted by TaxBack04: I re-read that last post and it was too much speculation, and no substance... I think it is important durring these times to stick to the facts... it read as a baseless pump and I am not about that.
Let's see what happens.
La Viva L.O.C.A.
??? Tax, have you been to dj's hunting shack already? (j/k)
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Right Surfer...and I'm not sure if anyone saw...but last night Rufus mentioned Venditti owns(yes, OWNS) two banks...
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