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USFBRIAN
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I need alot of money to support pretty college girls and stuff.lol no actually I am still in college and really do need money.I have about 3 k to invest but I dont know if its better to daytrade or buy penny stocks or what.I just know I need stacks of money just like everyone else of course.Thats the only reason I gamble with .0001 stocks.I figure I might as well do it while im young and I dont have many bills.Plus CWMF really did run,if I would of put my 3 k into that I would have about 25 k now.How can I go wrong with that?or is there something im missing?
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gamble?
Atlantic City is closer to you than Vegas...

invest?

You can't "daytrade" w/o $25k...

lol, you're missing nearly everything...

imho, first try to "get" the flavor of the board...admittedly, we're loosier and goosier on the weekend...

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I WANNA' GO TO AC!!!!!!!
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ok lol yea invest? what are your bright ideas then?and what is your advice sir?its easy to tell me im missing it but what would you suggest?
Thanks good luck to you

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zzzzz,

bad 'tude, sonny...

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U are in the same position as me. LMAO.College is getting pretty expensive these days but be careful with what you do with your college money. Better to have what you have right now then to see it go down to 1500 and sweating through it to get it back to 3000. Go get a job.
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penny stocks are not for amateurs!
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University of San Francisco? What major?
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University of South Florida lol. International Relations major.
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hahahaha
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also funny I made 1000 trading fuel and mpet and I didnt have 25,000!
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Brian BuyTex has volumes of knowledge about stock trading inside his head. I bet he would give you good thoughtful answers to any questions that you ask.

It sounds like you haven't opened an account with a broker yet if you haven't heard that you need 25K to day trade. A cash account has other limitations also. It's not as easy as buying at a given price and selling 20 minutes later when it goes up 3 ticks. AND in my experience more stocks go down that go up....lol but it's true,

Read up on everything you can find about the market, charts, indicators, penny stocks, market makers, etc.. It's not easy. If anyone could just throw 3K at the first crappy stock they run acroos we'd all be millionairs. I'm not trying to be snooty. I'm just warning you that you are setting yourself up to lose it all. If you knew how much money people here lost when they first started trading you would undoubtedly reconsider your current plan.

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RIC!!!!!!!!!!!? HELP THE GUY OUT!

LOL
DIANA!!!!!!WHERES THAT WONDERFUL POST YOU MADE A WHILE BACK?!!!!!!!!!!

darn.....I've got to start saving more stuff...LOL

BUY low......Sell high.....Don't get greedy like I did on GRDX......LOL

The Texan is right....Can't daytrade without 25K..SWING TRADE.....Buy low sell on the run.
DON'T THINK OF INVESTING IN ANY PENNY.


I have PEG for that......OUCH that's RED!
BUT.....Over all......UP BIG!

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Dont LOSE more than you can afford to invest....LOL

I'm buying low and selling into the run...

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quote:
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ok lol yea invest? what are your bright ideas then?and what is your advice sir?its easy to tell me im missing it but what would you suggest?
Thanks good luck to you

I believe he said to try and get the flavor of the board. That indeed was a **bright** idea.

Read the many plays here, sit back and watch a while and paper trade if you wish. See how and when the pros here get in and get out. DD everything, don't take anyones word for it. Diving into the pennies with an attitude will leave you broke and still with an attitude. Welcome, you can make bank here if you are so inclined.

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I have lost many times already myself.OK so what is the actual definition of daytrading because I buy stocks in the morning and sell them before the day is over.I do not have 25 k I have 3 k in my fidelity account.I consider myself a daytrader.So you guys are wrong there!!! So what price range would you suggest to buy at to swingtrade?
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buy at the 52 week low
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OK here is Ric's post I saved. I know he has an updated one but, I think I was drinking that night so......Can't find it.....LOL

Anyone have that classic one of Diana's?


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Best two pieces of advice for pennies. 1) Don't let people convince you that a penny is a long hold. You will get burnt. Buy low, sell high, and never look back. 2) Due Diligence


DD for otcbb and pinksheets

Here is some of my favorite places to research for the best due diligence. I like doing DD and finding new places to look.

Try these two DD tools to be quick and good with your facts. At pinksheets in a matter of seconds under Company Info I can give you o/s, any r/s, company name changes, or planned changes and more. Quotetracker is a program you install on your computer. I wouldn't survive without it in a quick paced market. Tons of TA and FA with dd. Shoot pinksheets is my homepage on Firefox browser for quick reference. This is the first two places I go for fast due diligence.

www.pinksheets.com {Company Info tab is loaded with information} {SEC Filing Tab - wow} {News Tab - Pr's at your finger tips}

www.quotetracker.com - after you set it up add a symbol quickly then charts, news, research, and raw data at your finger tips. Great charts.

DD is mainly knowing where to go.


FA – Fundamental Analysis

www.pinksheets.com - first place to look!!!! Go to Company info for o/s. r/s, name changes, and many other facts. Go to SEC tab to look for filings. News tabs for latest news that may not show up through normal wire service.

http://www2.barchart.com after you enter stock symbol select opinion to see trend spotter

www.otcbbtrader.com – otcbb loser/winner by volume, price, shares, transaction, and more

http://www.otcbbtrader.com/portal/n_letter/gen/Microcap_Recap_Report.html - otcbb market recap on otcbb and pinksheet market for the day

www.otcbb.com – otcbb news

www.boardcentral.com/index.php?view=Main – most popular stock search

www.smallcapcenter.com – otcbb resources

http://smallcapcenter.com/tools_QuickSearch.asp?page=QUICKSEARCH.ASP - free filter

http://our-street.com/home.htm - list of scam companies

www.sec.gov – latest filings, litigations, proceedings, or suspensions


TA – Technical Analysis

www.stockcharts.com – charting web site

http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com – charting web site

http://www.iqcharts.com/education - TA, candlesticks, chart patterns education

http://www.stockcharts.com/education/ChartAnalysis - teaches chart analysis

http://www.transitionstrading.com/Chart_Studies.htm - teaching about charts

http://www.stockcharts.com/education/MarketAnalysis/dowtheory1.html - theory of market movement

http://www.stockcharts.com/education/TradingStrategies/ - well known trading strategies


Recovering a Loss

Loss - Gain Needed to Recover Loss

10% -- 11.1%

20% -- 25.0%

30% -- 42.9%

40% -- 66.7%

50% - 100.0%

60% - 150.0%

75% - 300.0%

90% - 1000.0%

Timing your entry and exit from the market is critical to making money and controlling losses.

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I'm buying low and selling into the run...

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what i do is put in a limit buy at a very low price...if it doesn't execute...oh well....better to have what you have right now then to lose it.
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What price range should I look at?
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quote:
Originally posted by USFBRIAN:
I buy stocks in the morning and sell them before the day is over.I do not have 25 k I have 3 k in my fidelity account.I consider myself a daytrader.So you guys are wrong there!!!

Your account will be frozen if you do that more than 3 times in a 5 day period. You will not be allowed to trade any more. It is an SEC regulation. IT IS THE SAME FOR EVERYONE. I've told you on numerous threads now and I'm losing my patience. There is more knowledge here about the stock market than you could learn in 5+ years of constant study. Do you tell your professors that they don't know what they are teaching? You are talking to long-time traders that know their stuff. You are seriously out of line when you tell them that they don't know what they are talking about. I'm done trying to help you. I'm pretty sure that you have already screwed yourself out of any help that you might have found here with your childish attitude.

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dont listen to these people, i x4 my money in my very first investment, you just got to do the DD first and know what the markets doing. Of course in my case i was extremely lucky because i just looked at a symbol and said okay i'll buy it at .008 ... 6 months later it was 3.5 so i did good on omog [Smile] . But in all seriousness pennies is not joke to invest in you will lose all of your money in an hour and wonder what the hell happend. If i were joo id hold on to that 3 grand and go find a job that you get tuition reinbursement from and work there.

I work for Fed-ex so i get 3k back a year and im taking a load that most people would die from. Lets comepare notes
21 hours of college including physics, chemistry and calculus 1.
40 hours of work a week
2 hours of teaching karate once a week
1 hour of pilates for hip injury twice a week
side job on anywhere from 2 to 5 hours once a week
and inbetween all that i find time to goto the gym, goto the bar, study, and have time for a g/f.

but back to the advice at hand from experience and in a similar situation as you are in. Keep that money and get tuition reinbursement from a job that offers it like fed-ex. Or get a student loan. Dont risk money that you cant afford to risk, and i "KNOW" you cant afford to risk that money so dont even try it. If you do your a fool, and if your going to i got shares in a company i'll sell ya [Smile] .

Get your education, work if you got too, get a load if you got to but dont waist your money in the pennies, or even in the blues, its not enough to cover what your needing and the pennies is too great a risk.

Best advice i can give from experience and in your situation. If you dont listen dont know what else to tell ya

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Why, in an age where information is so easy to get, cant we find information on one man.
Experience is something you dont get until just after you need it.

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Dont mean to high jack this tread, but this is the most active part of the board so i thought i would ask this question here. Since we are giving advice.

Using Ameritrade: It takes 5 days if i deposte money into my account for funds to clear and be able to use my Cash balance to buy Non-marginable funds, is this correct?
Is there anyway to speed up this process? Like to 3 days or have it ready the next day like if it was just cash balance?

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you can wire the money, that gets it there faster within 24 hours, and sometimes same day, but you take a 5% hit.. someone correct me if im wrong here.


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Originally posted by Hektik1n:
Dont mean to high jack this tread, but this is the most active part of the board so i thought i would ask this question here. Since we are giving advice.

Using Ameritrade: It takes 5 days if i deposte money into my account for funds to clear and be able to use my Cash balance to buy Non-marginable funds, is this correct?
Is there anyway to speed up this process? Like to 3 days or have it ready the next day like if it was just cash balance?



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Semester #3 started,Only 7 more semesters to go.
Why, in an age where information is so easy to get, cant we find information on one man.
Experience is something you dont get until just after you need it.

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trust me, save yourself the stress and you'll make more money having a job then staring at a computer doing research on almost bankrupt companies. Penny stocks are only for people who lost money from initially trading in the first place and are trying to recover it. :-)
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quote:
Originally posted by Hektik1n:
Dont mean to high jack this tread, but this is the most active part of the board so i thought i would ask this question here. Since we are giving advice.

Using Ameritrade: It takes 5 days if i deposte money into my account for funds to clear and be able to use my Cash balance to buy Non-marginable funds, is this correct?
Is there anyway to speed up this process? Like to 3 days or have it ready the next day like if it was just cash balance?

Have you added extra funds to your account or just your initial deposit? I don't know about ameritrade but choicetrade holds your initial deposit for 10 days (you can get around this by faxing them a cancelled check) and future deposits show up the next day.

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Do you want my big one lol?

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I believe it costs 30 dollars to wire money, at least for Scottrade. But if you write a check to your nearest broker branch, it costs nothing. I do checks both way. :-)

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you can wire the money, that gets it there faster within 24 hours, and sometimes same day, but you take a 5% hit.. someone correct me if im wrong here.


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Originally posted by Hektik1n:
Dont mean to high jack this tread, but this is the most active part of the board so i thought i would ask this question here. Since we are giving advice.

Using Ameritrade: It takes 5 days if i deposte money into my account for funds to clear and be able to use my Cash balance to buy Non-marginable funds, is this correct?
Is there anyway to speed up this process? Like to 3 days or have it ready the next day like if it was just cash balance?



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I WANT IT I WANT IT!!!

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Things you need to know

Best two pieces of advice for pennies.
1) Don't let people convince you that a penny is a long hold. You will get burnt. Buy low, sell high, and never look back.
2) Due Diligence.

Two things that you must learn about charts immediately is RSI and Bollinger Bands. They are so important. Now there is so much you can learn in charts that will help you make choices but I consider the above the most important things to learn for any investors. RSI will let you know if there is buying pressure or selling pressure. It will also confirm a run. Bollinger Bands also show price pressures and are used to support other indicators. There are links below under TA for education on understanding charts.


Relative Strength Index

Definition:

Relative Strength Index (RSI), an oscillator introduced by J. Welles Wilder, Jr., could be more appropriately called the internal strength index, for it compares the price of a security relative to itself. The RSI is based upon the difference between the average of the closing price on up days vs. the average closing price on the down days over a given period, and is plotted on a vertical scale of 0 to 100. An oscillator refers to a momentum or rate-of-change indicator that is usually valued from -1 to +1 or 0% to %100.

Wilder advocated a 14-day RSI, although shorter and longer periods have gained popularity when the market exhibits certain characteristics. Generally, RSI is measured in a period between 5 and 25.

Interpretation:

There are several possible interpretations for the Relative Strength Index, any of which can be very powerful depending on the market conditions and trading/investment approach: One interpretation is that buy signals are triggered when RSI is in oversold (20-30) area, potentially meaning that the stock is about to reach its low for this trend, and sell signals are triggered when RSI is in overbought (70-80) area, potentially signaling a market top.

A second mode of interpretation is to look for support and resistance lines or common chart formations such as head and shoulders in the RSI itself, indicating potential reversals that the stock chart may not.

A third mode of interpretation is to recognize divergences in the RSI, such as when the price is moving up when the RSI is moving down or vice versa. This can mean that the price is going to "correct" and move in the direction of the RSI.

A fourth mode of interpretation for the RSI is to view it as a bullish or bearish signal when it crosses 50. When the RSI crosses above 50 it can be considered bullish, and when it crosses below 50 it can be considered bearish.


Bollinger Bands

Definition:

Investors use trading bands, lines drawn above and below the moving average, to isolate a range of prices for a given security, based on the concept that a stock generally trades within a predictable range on either side of the moving average. When a stock is near the upper or lower limits of the trading bands is when an investor should pay closest attention, according to conventional wisdom.

Bollinger Bands are considered some of the most useful bands in technical analysis, for they vary in distance from the moving average of a security's price based on the security's volatility. During periods of increased fluctuation, the bands widen to take this into account, and when the fluctuation decreases, the bands are tapered for a narrower focus to the price range. The upper band is the standard deviation multiplied by a given factor above the simple moving average, and the lower band is the standard deviation multiplied by the same given factor below the simple moving average.

Interpretation:

The standard interpretation is that Bollinger Bands do not give absolute buy and sell signals, but instead indicate whether the price is relatively high or low, allowing for more informed confirmation with other technical indicators.

Bollinger Bands are typically drawn two standard deviations from a twenty day simple moving average for intermediate-term analysis, ten day for short term with 1.5 standard deviations, and fifty for long-term studies with 2.5 standard deviations. According to John Bollinger, for the most accurate average "choose one that provides support to the correction of the first move up off a bottom. If the average is penetrated by the correction, then the average is too short. If, in turn, the correction falls short of the average, then the average is too long. An average that is correctly chosen will provide support far more often than it is broken."

Mr. Bollinger also contends that:

Sharp moves tend to occur after the bands tighten to the average, when a stock is less volatile. The greater the period of less volatility, the higher the propensity for a price breakout.

When the price hits the upper or lower bands, it is suggested to confirm with other indicators whether that price movement shows strength or weakness, respectively, which could indicate a continuation. If indicators do not confirm this movement, it can suggest a reversal.

Tops or bottoms made outside the bands, followed by the same inside the bands, indicate a trend reversal.

A move originating at one band tends to go to the other band.

"Resource from IQCharts"

DD for otcbb and pinksheets

Try these two DD tools to be quick and good with your facts. At pinksheets in a matter of seconds under Company Info I can give you o/s, any r/s, company name changes, or planned changes and more. Quotetracker is a program you install on your computer. I wouldn't survive without it in a quick paced market. Tons of TA and FA with dd. Shoot pinksheets is my homepage on Firefox browser for quick reference. This is the first two places I go for fast due diligence.

www.pinksheets.com {Company Info tab is loaded with information} {SEC Filing Tab - wow} {News Tab - Pr's at your finger tips}

www.quotetracker.com - after you set it up add a symbol quickly then charts, news, research, and raw data at your finger tips. Great charts.

DD is mainly knowing where to go.


FA – Fundamental Analysis

www.pinksheets.com - first place to look!!!! Go to Company info for o/s. r/s, name changes, and many other facts. Go to SEC tab to look for filings. News tabs for latest news that may not show up through normal wire service.

www2.barchart.com - after you enter stock symbol select opinion to see trend spotter

www.otcbbtrader.com – otcbb loser/winner by volume, price, shares, transaction, and more

http://www.otcbbtrader.com/portal/n_letter/gen/Microcap_Recap_Report.html - otcbb market recap on otcbb and pinksheet market for the day

http://tinyurl.com/9s2wr - DD site that is great.

www.otcbb.com – otcbb news

www.boardcentral.com/index.php?view=Main – most popular stock search

www.smallcapcenter.com – otcbb resources

http://smallcapcenter.com/tools_QuickSearch.asp?page=QUICKSEARCH.ASP - free filter

http://www.stockfetcher.com/ - stock filter

http://knobias.10kwizard.com/ - SEC Edgar filings


TA – Technical Analysis

www.stockcharts.com – charting web site

http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com – charting web site

http://www.iqcharts.com/education - TA, candlesticks, chart patterns education

http://www.stockcharts.com/education/ChartAnalysis - teaches chart analysis

http://www.transitionstrading.com/Chart_Studies.htm - teaching about charts


General DD

http://www.allstocks.com/edu/index.html - Research links

http://www.quotemedia.com/results.php - Free level II (not pink)/Delayed

http://www.nasdaqtrader.com/aspx/regsho.aspx - “Sho” list

http://www.nasdaq.com – Tons of information (insider trading/IPO’s/Most active/much more)

http://www.tradetrek.com/online.asp - General but with 5 day and 6 month forecasts

http://www.secform4.com – Free real time insider trader monitor

http://www.otcbbtrader.com/portal/goto.dll - Market Data

http://www.stockmarketyellowpages.com – search tool

http://www.rookiedaytrader.com – Some good advise here

http://www.epubsinc.com/index.php?pageName=formtypes – Edgar form types and descriptions

http://www.shellstockreview.com/ssrShellsBySym.htm - Shell companies

http://www.daytradingcoach.com/index2.htm - trading tips, education, quotes and charts

http://www.investopedia.com/ - dictionary of stock terms, tutorials

http://www.stockcharts.com/education/MarketAnalysis/dowtheory1.html - theory of market movement

http://www.stockcharts.com/education/TradingStrategies/ - well known trading strategies

http://our-street.com/home.htm - list of scam companies

www.sec.gov – latest filings, litigations, proceedings, or suspensions

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Secretary of States

Alabama - http://arc-sos.state.al.us/CGI/SOSCRP02.MBR/INPUT
Alaska - http://www.gov.state.ak.us/ltgov/
Arizona - http://www.azsos.gov/
Arkansas - http://www.sosweb.state.ar.us/
California - http://kepler.ss.ca.gov/list.html
Colorado - http://www.sos.state.co.us/
Connecticut - http://www.sots.state.ct.us/
Deleware - http://www.state.de.us/sos/default.shtml
Florida - http://www.dos.state.fl.us/
Georgia - http://www.sos.state.ga.us/default800.asp
Hawaii - http://www.ehawaii.gov/dcca/bizsearch/exe/bizsearch.cgi
Idaho - http://www.idsos.state.id.us/
Illinois - http://www.sos.state.il.us/
Indiana - http://www.in.gov/sos/
Iowa - http://www.sos.state.ia.us/
Kansas - http://www.kssos.org/main.htm
Kentucky - http://sos.ky.gov/
Louisana - http://www.sec.state.la.us/
Maine - http://www.state.me.us/sos/
Maryland - http://www.sos.state.md.us/
Massachusetts - http://www.sec.state.ma.us/
Michigan - http://www.michigan.gov/sos/
Minnesota - http://www.state.mn.us/ebranch/sos/
Mississippi - http://www.sos.state.ms.us/
Missouri - http://www.sos.mo.gov/
Montana - http://sos.state.mt.us/css/index.asp
Nebraska - http://www.sos.state.ne.us/
Nevada - https://esos.state.nv.us/SOSServices/AnonymousAccess/CorpSearch/CorpSearch.aspx
New Hampshire - http://www.sos.nh.gov/index.html
New Jersey - http://www.state.nj.us/state/
New Mexico - http://www.sos.state.nm.us/
New York - http://www.dos.state.ny.us/
North Carolina - http://www.secretary.state.nc.us/corporations/
North Dakota - http://www.knowx.com/northdakota/northdakota-corporate-records.jsp
Ohio - http://www.sos.state.oh.us/
Oklahoma - http://www.sos.state.ok.us/
Oregon - http://www.sos.state.or.us/
Pennsylvania - http://www.dos.state.pa.us/dos/site/default.asp
Rhode Island - http://www.state.ri.us/
South Carolina - http://www.scsos.com/
South Dakota - http://www.sdsos.gov/index.htm
Tennessee - http://www.state.tn.us/sos/
Texas - http://www.sos.state.tx.us/
Utah - http://www.utah.gov/ltgovernor/
Vermont - http://www.sec.state.vt.us/
Virginia - http://www.soc.state.va.us/
Washington - http://www.secstate.wa.gov/corps/
West Virginia - http://www.wvsos.com/
Wisconsin - http://www.sos.state.wi.us/
Wyoming - http://soswy.state.wy.us/corporat/corporat.htm


Phone Numbers provided by HitMe101

Knight Equity Markets, L.P.
NASDAQ TRADING
800-222-4910

NASDAQ TRADING
888-515-0031

BULLETIN BOARD
800-232-3684

DELISTING/BANKRUPTCY
212-336-8656

DELISTING/BANKRUPTCY
212-336-8791

DELISTING/BANKRUPTCY
212-336-8792

INTERNATIONAL
800-762-0271

BROKER/DEALER DESK
888-302-9197

INSTITUTIONAL DESK
800-222-4895

FOREIGN BULLETIN BD
212-336-8841

HELP DESK
888-931-HELP

NITE UBS Capital Markets L.P.
JERSEY CITY, NJ
N/A

DOMESTIC TRADING
212-514-5140

FOREIGN/ADR TRADING
212-804-3354

OTC BB/PINK TRADING
800-631-3094

DEALER/SALES TRADING
800-213-2923

TD Waterhouse Capital Markets, Inc.
OTC TRADING
201-369-8830

BULLETIN BOARD
201-369-8889

BULLETIN BOARD
800-500-3905

DEALER/INST SALES
201-369-1000

DEALER/INST SALES
800-369-5775

JEFFERIES & COMPANY, INC.
BULLETIN BOARD TRDG
212-336-7007

BROKER DEALER
877-350-2855

NASDAQ TRADING
972-701-3100

DALLAS TX
800-527-6816

AGENCY TRADING
972-701-3250

DALLAS TX
877-273-9728

LOS ANGELES
310-914-1163

STAMFORD CT.
203-708-5910

866-682-2398

INTL TRADING
203-708-5890

800-525-8620

877-350-BULL

LISTED TRADING
973-912-2790

CONVERTIBLES
203-708-5868

BROKER/DEALER DESK
212-336-7007

JEFF Tradition Asiel Securities Inc.
NASDAQ
212-791-4770

OTCBB
212-791-5335

VANDHAM SECURITIES CORP.
NEW YORK NY
212-223-7510

CloseVNDM 07:30
0.015 50 Oppenheimer & Co., Inc.
NEW YORK, NY
212-422-7813

CONVERTIBLE BONDS
212-668-5764

800-682-5381

NASDAQ/OTCBB TRADING
212-422-7813

LISTED DESK
212-668-8033

INSTITUTIONAL DEPT
212-943-9055
Hudson Securities, Inc.
JERSEY CITY, NJ
201-216-9100

JERSEY CITY, NJ
800-624-0050

JERSEY CITY, NJ
212-227-7733

INSTITUTIONAL SALES
800-419-9187

201-216-0375

COLORADO
888-576-1828

BOCA RATON, FL
800-898-2777

INTERNATIONAL
888-306-1998

561-361-0951

CANADIAN ARB
201-216-1475

WM. V. FRANKEL & CO., INCORPORATED
JERSEY CITY, NJ
201-434-5005

NEW YORK, NY
212-943-6633

NEW YORK, NY
800-631-3091

SEABOARD SECURITIES, INC.
NASDAQ/OTCBB
973-514-1699

FLORHAM PK, NJ
973-514-1500

AGENCY DESK
973-514-1678

JUNO BEACH FL.
561-630-6170

Hill Thompson Magid and Co., Inc.
JERSEY CITY, NJ
201-434-8100

JERSEY CITY, NJ
212-233-2200

NASDAQ TRADING
800-631-3083

ADR TRADING
800-879-9842

CANADIAN EQUITIES
866-235-7016

BANK STOCKS
866-291-6316

CHICAGO, IL
800-999-8073

CHICAGO, IL
312-372-3828

Maxim Group LLC
NEW YORK, NY
212-895-3680

800-261-0498

OTCBB
212-895-3874

FOREIGN TRADING
212-895-3897

INTL Trading, Inc.
ORLANDO FL
407-741-5399

800-541-1977

OTCBB DESK
800-327-5703

OTCBB DESK
407-741-5394

NEW YORK, NY
212-485-3545

Bear, Stearns & Co. Inc.
NEW YORK NY
212-272-4810

OTCBB/PINK SHEETS
212-272-4975

NASDAQ TRADING
800-247-7882

EMERGING MARKETS
212-272-9297

INTERNATIONAL
212-272-4580

ARBITRAGE
212-272-4506

PREFERRED
212-272-5104

PREFERRED
800-231-8892

CONVERTIBLES
212-272-4484

HIGH YIELD DEPT
212-272-5100

OTCBB/PINK SHEETS
212-272-4975

VFINANCE INVESTMENTS, INC
OTCBB/PINK SHEETS
800-487-0577

OTCBB/PINK SHEETS
561-981-1314

NEW JERSEY
908-782-4469

NEW YORK
908-782-4469

PHILADELPHIA
856-234-2900

PERSHING TRADING COMPANY, L.P.
JERSEY CITY NJ
201-413-3531

NASDAQ TRADING
800-305-0161

BULLETIN BOARD
201-413-2700

DEALER DESK
201-413-2465

866-880-9410

Fulcrum Global Partners LLC
OTCBB DESK
212-803-7046

OTCBB BROKER/DEALER
212-803-7070

CANADIAN/FOREIGN DSK
212-803-9026

Sterne Agee Capital Markets, Inc.
BOCA RATON, FL
561-368-8373

BOCA RATON, FL
800-930-3536

DEALER SALES, FRANK
800-979-4568

DOMESTIC SECURITIES, INC.
EDISON, NJ - OTC
732-661-0300

MONTVALE, NJ OTC
201-782-0009

MONTVALE, NJ HQ
201-782-0888

BILTMORE INTERNATIONAL CORPORATION
TRADING DESK
732-791-4000

ALTERNATE
732-287-6535

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Recovering a Loss

Loss - Gain Needed to Recover Loss

10% -- 11.1%

20% -- 25.0%

30% -- 42.9%

40% -- 66.7%

50% - 100.0%

60% - 150.0%

75% - 300.0%

90% - 1000.0%

Timing your entry and exit from the market is critical to making money and controlling losses.


These are MM signals.
100 > I need shares
200 > I need shares badly but dont take it down to get them.
300 > Take the price down to get shares....
400 > Trade it sideways based on Supply and Demand
500 > Gap one way or the other, usually to the direction of the 500 trade. Sometimes -if in the middle -keep the price right where it is.

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OOO i feel so much smarter now

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I added extra funds. It usually takes 5 business days using ameritrade for it to turn into Non-marginable funds. Although it shows up the next day and is avalible to use, just not Non-marginable funds. Which most of these stocks are
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gees jdog thats real nice.your calling all sorts of names and havin arge reation becuase I told you your wrong.Juts becuase you have been on the board longer and have been trading longer does not mean I have to agree with everything u tell me.I am sure there are lots of other people here that know how to take constuctive criticism and are willing to help me without calling me names but thanks anyway.bahahahaZ
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Trends


Pennies are all about volatility and trends. The only reason to look at a 6 month chart or longer is to see the overall trend of the stock. Is it going up, down, or staying the same with little bumps in the road. Look for peaks and valleys and do they happen on a regular basis. If so then look for a bottom and buy then sell at the top and wait for the next valley.

Never let people tell you after a run that it will run again. That rarely happens. Usually after a run it slowly drops back down. Never average down. Sell and buy back at bottom. Holding until bottom never makes you money, it only makes your loses harder to bare.

Longs in a penny stock want you in so they give you the pretty picture. They hope they can get enough new investors to make their stock move and it won't until the stock is ready. Learn to follow trends and how to find the bottom plays. Usually if a stock has more then a couple pages then the stocks has already done something and hope is what keeps the thread going of it moving again.

Be smart, think, learn, and research.


The .20 rule

I study patterns and trends. I use charts with fundamentals to try and figure where stocks can go. I have been on this board for nearly 2 years now and studied pennies in depth for more then 5 years. I have found some very interesting facts beside learning the hard way to never hold a penny long term. But one fact that I have found is stead fast. Now this rule does not apply to a stock that was over 20 cents and fell below 20 for some reason. This only applies to subpennies that finally break into the penny range and run.

Pennies rarely ever break .20 (fast run may go to .22 but rare). This has worked for so many of the so called pennies going somewhere. The pennies that longs claim will go to a dollar but never do. Like GZFX, TCFT, ONEV, HISC, and many more. When they were in there prime they all stopped before the magic number of .20. Not sure why but its true. This is a hard wall. There is soft walls at .002 and .02 also. They are easier to break but if you look at runs they seem to die right before these numbers.

But as for the hard wall of .20, I have only seen it broke few times since playing in this market. Not to say that it never happens and I didn't see it but it is real rare. Usually it happens was to reverse mergers. This rule does not apply to stocks that were higher then .20 at one time and dropped below that price.

Once one runs to .18 -.20, it seems to drop to .10-.12 and jump back to .18 a couple times before settling at .14. Then it will slowly over time sink back below .10. This pattern holds true. Just a heads up for those that think this will gap hard Monday and run. Trust me on this one but saying that Murphy's law will try and prove me wrong, lol.


The blame game

Part of the problem is blaming the shorters while holding the stock. Naked shorting is bad and hurting the market thats true. But does it really matter as far as an investment is concerned? The reason I say that is a smart investor sells a stock going down and buys one going up. No matter the reason, if a stock is on a downward trend then sell it. Buy one on a upward trend or at bottom. If it turns down, sell it and buy another. Because for every stock going down there is one going up. So why blame something you can't change, at least right away. Buy low and sell high and move on. Pennies are manipulated and you will never make money complaining about it. You make money using the manipulation to your advantage.

Manipulation happens on all kinds of levels in this market. Be it NSS, dilution, bashing, or pumping. Pennies are full of it. But sitting there saying that bashers only bash good stocks so I am buying more only makes your loses that much greater. Because everytime I hear that all I ever see is a continued downtrend. Everyone needs to stop blaming the cause and invest wisely. If you want to stop NSS or other forms of manipulation thats great. But don't hold the stock for loses while you do it.

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Kid, in order for it to be constructive critizisim you have to know what "YOUR" talking about. You have demonstrated you don't, therefore have no grounds to critisize anyone on this board, even someone as new as myself *relatively speaking* We gave your our advice, its up to you to decide your best course of action. If you want someone to tell you to "BUY THIS STOCK" get a real broker and not a virtual one.

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gees jdog thats real nice.your calling all sorts of names and havin arge reation becuase I told you your wrong.Juts becuase you have been on the board longer and have been trading longer does not mean I have to agree with everything u tell me.I am sure there are lots of other people here that know how to take constuctive criticism and are willing to help me without calling me names but thanks anyway.bahahahaZ



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Semester #3 started,Only 7 more semesters to go.
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Experience is something you dont get until just after you need it.

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i guess when you start a topic, giving away the tricks and trades of daytrading, you piss the off some people trying to make money off others.
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