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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/27/army-vets-blast-pc-police-for-at tacking-apache-chi/


Veterans aren’t happy with a recent op-ed by the Washington Post, which charged that the Apache, Comanche, Chinook, Lakota, Cheyenne and Kiowa military vehicles were a “greater symbolic injustice” than the NFL’s Washington Redskins’ name.

“Even if the NFL and Redskins brass come to their senses and rename the team, a greater symbolic injustice would continue to afflict Indians — an injustice perpetuated not by a football club but by our federal government,” Simon Waxman of the Boston Review wrote for the Post on Thursday.

He added that the helicopter names were “propaganda” that needed to end, because Native American life expectancy statistics indicate the “violence is ongoing, even if the guns are silent.”

Readers at the popular military news gathering website Doctrine Man reacted Friday.

“I suspect that the author is less unhappy that our choppers have Indian names, and more unhappy that there is a U.S. military,” wrote Alex Kuhns.

Kevin Schooler wrote: “What floors me is that for the most part, it isn’t American Indians who are offended. It is guilt-ridden white liberals being offended on their behalf. How’s that for paternalism?”

Even the website’s moderator weighed in, saying that the names the military chooses for weapons platforms “are anything but derogatory, they convey strength, honor, and courage. @SimonWaxman is grossly uninformed.”

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Sheesh, what's next, the Jeep Grand Cherokee?

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quote:
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Sheesh, what's next, the Jeep Grand Cherokee?

I drive one.. what are the nutless prics going to do? Rip the emblems off???
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Being half apache I myself feel no problem in naming a piece of equipment or a machine after the name of a tribe. Or giving a land mark a native American name.

That being said, using the racist name of red skins is personally offensive to me and most native Americans that I know.

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The Term Redskin

Dear Editor; It was brought to my attention that some were asking if the term "redskin" was really offensive to Indians and that they would like to hear from us on this subject. Well, here you are...I am Blackfoot, Cherokee and Choctaw...and yes, the term is extremely offensive to me. Let me explain why. Back not so long ago, when there was a bounty on the heads of the Indian people...the trappers would bring in Indian scalps along with the other skins that they had managed to trap or shoot. These scalps brought varying prices as did the skins of the animals. The trappers would tell the trading post owner or whoever it was that he was dealing with, that he had 2 bearskins, a couple of beaver skins...and a few scalps. Well, the term "scalp" offended the good Christian women of the community and they asked that another term be found to describe these things. So, the trappers and hunters began using the term "redskin"...they would tell the owner that they had bearskin, deer skins....and "redskins." The term came from the bloody mess that one saw when looking at the scalp...thus the term "red"...skin because it was the "skin" of an "animal" just like the others that they had...so, it became "redskins". So, you see when we see or hear that term...we don't see a football team...we don't see a game being played...we don't see any "honor"...we see the bloody pieces of scalps that were hacked off of our men, women and even our children...we hear the screams as our people were killed...and "skinned" just like animals. So, yes, Mr./Ms. Editor...you can safely say that the term is considered extremely offensive.

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I actually agree with Cowpie on this issue. The military is honoring the American Indian in it's naming of helicopters. And I am 25% Blackfoot myself. I see no harm in it and am not offended by it. Nor do I find the "Washington Redskin" name offensive at all. JMO
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quote:
Originally posted by raybond:
The Term Redskin

Dear Editor; It was brought to my attention that some were asking if the term "redskin" was really offensive to Indians and that they would like to hear from us on this subject. Well, here you are...I am Blackfoot, Cherokee and Choctaw...and yes, the term is extremely offensive to me. Let me explain why. Back not so long ago, when there was a bounty on the heads of the Indian people...the trappers would bring in Indian scalps along with the other skins that they had managed to trap or shoot. These scalps brought varying prices as did the skins of the animals. The trappers would tell the trading post owner or whoever it was that he was dealing with, that he had 2 bearskins, a couple of beaver skins...and a few scalps. Well, the term "scalp" offended the good Christian women of the community and they asked that another term be found to describe these things. So, the trappers and hunters began using the term "redskin"...they would tell the owner that they had bearskin, deer skins....and "redskins." The term came from the bloody mess that one saw when looking at the scalp...thus the term "red"...skin because it was the "skin" of an "animal" just like the others that they had...so, it became "redskins". So, you see when we see or hear that term...we don't see a football team...we don't see a game being played...we don't see any "honor"...we see the bloody pieces of scalps that were hacked off of our men, women and even our children...we hear the screams as our people were killed...and "skinned" just like animals. So, yes, Mr./Ms. Editor...you can safely say that the term is considered extremely offensive.

Ok ray. All of that behavior was offensive, the problem i have with particular anecdote is that the practice of scalping was pre-Colombian trophy taking and a way of garnering respect in the warrior class. skindancing was also widely practice int he Americas.

Having grown up in the DC area i was exposed to the name from the time i was aware of anything outside the home. I did begin to wonder why we used in the name ealry 70's, so i'm not defending it's use. It should be changed. How about the Washington Leeches?

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Like I said I find no offense in naming equipment in the military I find it very honoring.

To me redskins is going to far, there was no honor in that name.

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quote:
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Like I said I find no offense in naming equipment in the military I find it very honoring.

To me redskins is going to far, there was no honor in that name.

C'mon Ray! Until you googled you had no idea of the conotation. If that is even true.
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leeches is appropriate. Washington was a swamp that htey drained to build the capitol... mosquitoes would be good too... they are also bloodsuckers...

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quote:
Originally posted by raybond:
Like I said I find no offense in naming equipment in the military I find it very honoring.

To me redskins is going to far, there was no honor in that name.

Funny I don't remember you ever saying anything about it.. for years now.

Clearly you are now very passionate about the issue and something must be done to right this horrible wrong.

Just wondering why now all of a sudden you care?

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While we are at it, Oklahoma needs a name change too. Isn't the term "red people" just as offensive as the term "red skin"?

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quote:
Originally posted by Pagan:
I actually agree with Cowpie on this issue. The military is honoring the American Indian in it's naming of helicopters. And I am 25% Blackfoot myself. I see no harm in it and am not offended by it. Nor do I find the "Washington Redskin" name offensive at all. JMO

Thank you Pagan for taking a common sense and realistic approach to this.
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Maybe the women don't like the name associated with the apache helicopter or the connotation attached to them and several others like the cobra. There pretty much known as bad asses by military that have seen them in combat.

I think many of the guys would be happy with the bad ass idea, but i am not sure the women would.

Oh well, just a passing thought.

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Now we are not supposed to say "cougar". Why are some of you so liberal? This stuff is just beyond ridiculous and this is your narrative, your ideology. Why is a team mascot being a cougar a bad thing? Why is the NFL so bad for having a team called Redskins, why is it bad for the Army to use the term Apache for a helo?


http://blog.syracuse.com/sports/2012/01/utah_high_school_cougars_offensive_team_ name.html

School drops Cougars as team name because it might offend women

Corner Canyon High School hasn't even opened yet, and it's already facing controversy.

The new school, scheduled to open in 2013 in Draper, Utah, announced this week that it had chosen its mascot and school colors.

According to KSTU-TV Fox 13, future students within the school's boundaries were mailed ballots to vote for the sports teams' colors and mascot. The colors navy, silver and white were selected and the Charger was named the mascot -- the first in Utah to use it.

The Chargers wasn't the most popular team name with the kids. Instead, the top name was the Cougars, getting 23 percent of the votes. Other choices included the Chargers, Diamondbacks, Falcons, Raptors, Broncos, Bears and Cavaliers.

But the Cougar was rejected as the mascot because board members decided it might be seen as offensive to middle-aged women.

As pointed out on TV shows like Courteney Cox's "Cougar Town" and Tina Fey's "30 Rock" (one episode titled "Cougars" featured the 41-year-old Fey going on a date with a 20-year-old), the term has become popularly known to describe an older woman who dates younger men. Even online dating websites have popped up specifically for the "cougar" crowd, connecting interested males with females that are 15-30 years their senior.

There are, of course, other teams that already use the team name Cougars, including three other high schools in the state. As Prep Rally points out, even Utah's biggest college, Brigham Young University, uses the animal as its mascot which is probably why so many kids voted for it.

But those teams existed before the term "cougar" had its place in popular culture and it became more common for stars like Demi Moore to date someone half her age, such as her ex-husband Ashton Kutcher. Back then, a cougar was just a fierce animal also referred to as a puma or mountain lion.

So did the school board need to worry about its teams being associated with the new connotation?

"Sensitivity and political correctness regarding the names of athletic teams has officially reached a ridiculous peak," USA Today wrote.

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Actually i am not sure i care, if that's all some of these people have to do is worry about name changes.

But i do know one team that needs a name change after the way they played this year, The LA Lakers. LA Dogs... maybe

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