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there's another way to look at this "increase pay" thing too..

if people have disposable income? When i say disposbale income? I'm really talking about people who can honestly afford to buy a new car every three? or 2? years. people who can afford to put an addition on their home and have a personal sportsbar with big screen, bar and pool table. nice pool, tennis court or enough disposable income to have expensive hobbies, there's lots of 'em... 1000,000 people buying a new bass boat (Made in USA) every five to seven years would create alot of good jobs...

that type of disposable income is what really creates lots of jobs.... for the last 6 years or so? all of those jobs that are dependant on disposable income have suffered miserably. it's truning back around now, but we have a long way to go to get back to teh 90's. The 90's wern't the best but they were better than post-911. America SHOULD NOT need fast food joints to pay adults to work for them all the time. Walmart should not be ABLE to pay such low wages because peopel are so desperate for crappy jobs, there's plenty of very wealthy peopel who are not creating jobs.. they invest overseas now ....

too much of our moeny went overseas to invest in new factories and businesses . Now the jobs are no there, and we are now looking at the possibility of 6% unemployment with lust.

It really has been about finding cheap labor overseas, but that only lasts so long until the second and third genreation is off the farm and then out of the "factory dorms" like they have in China...

Chinese workers are slowly figuring out that even tho they now have running water and electricity, they have to live 20? or more to a room at the factory dorm. they won't be getting married and having a family in those dorms..... they will develop a middle class there, maybe...
the Govt still contorls everything and the Govt will hold the status quo as long as it suits them....

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OK, you got my attention

Carry on

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Ray...this thread holds the key to why Obamacare is
going to kill the 40 hour a week and full time jobs altogether. No one wants to be liable for their employees anymore and hence the biggest growing phenomenon is PART TIME. Except now one needs to work 30 hours at Walmart for their food and then 30 hours somewhere else to pay for their healthcare.
I wish they would cut your pension down to "Part time" and see how you deal with it. You'll be the first in line whining like a little b!tch.
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Whining like a little ***** is more your style. Reading your posts is just proof of that.

On the other hand people that know me from the Army to my career in corrections is, I don't whine and never have I have always got the job done. Something that does not seem to be a trait that you have. As far as my pension goes it is just none of your damn business. I have paid a big chunk out of my pay for it. no different than your 401 k or other investments. If anything happens to it that's just capitalism. You sound like most republicans your a cry baby.

Now you're beginning to see....some things are not anyones business...Like my health care!!!

Let me ask you...what were some of your techniques used for guiding people that were criminals or addicts when they got out of jail??

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surfer I am beginning to see nothing. You must be doing something for health care even if is going to the emergency room on the tax payer dime. I don't care. If not you care now pay your share and buy healthcare insurance. As far as my retirement income goes why are you so interested in it?

As for helping excons prepare for life that all starts before they get out with recommendations as to where to go to get a start. The half way homes help to.

My job how ever is dealing with them when they are behind bars.

Remember society put them behind bars and when they are out, most of society wants nothing to do with them. That's just the simple truth, most are screwed and will be back behind bars soon enough.

Sounds to me you are like most people blame cops for crime ,blame prison employee's for society attitude towards excons. And envy towards an other for working hard and collecting what is his.

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quote:
Originally posted by NR:
"But the need for a food drive illustrates how difficult it is for Walmart workers to get by on its notoriously low pay."

Maybe said employees are going through "extreme hardships" because they made poor financial decisions and maxed their credit cards...

Maybe said employees are going through "extreme hardships" because they have a family member who suddenly became sick or had a child with medical complications and are struggling to pay the medical bills...

Anyone can go through "extreme hardships", regardless of how much they earn and for any number of reasons, all it takes is a few poorly timed, poorly executed financial decisions or even just a run of bad luck. What's the old expression? "When it rains, it pours"?

I disagree with the premise of this article, which seems to suggest that the employees need help via canned food drives, simply because Walmart pays their employees so little.

This is a fact NR...NOT a premise

Walmart employees DO need help via canned food drives simply because Walmart pays their employees so little...

To state otherwise illustrates just how "out of touch" you are!

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quote:
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Originally posted by NR:
"But the need for a food drive illustrates how difficult it is for Walmart workers to get by on its notoriously low pay."

Maybe said employees are going through "extreme hardships" because they made poor financial decisions and maxed their credit cards...

Maybe said employees are going through "extreme hardships" because they have a family member who suddenly became sick or had a child with medical complications and are struggling to pay the medical bills...

Anyone can go through "extreme hardships", regardless of how much they earn and for any number of reasons, all it takes is a few poorly timed, poorly executed financial decisions or even just a run of bad luck. What's the old expression? "When it rains, it pours"?

I disagree with the premise of this article, which seems to suggest that the employees need help via canned food drives, simply because Walmart pays their employees so little.

This is a fact NR...NOT a premise

Walmart employees DO need help via canned food drives simply because Walmart pays their employees so little...

To state otherwise illustrates just how "out of touch" you are!

Gimmie a break... I've worked selling shoes at JCPenney for 5.15/hr and faced "hardships", and I've also done survey work for a major engineering firm where I earned close to 22/hr and faced "hardships" as well. Many times in my life, I've had years where I had to go without, or had suck up my pride and temporarily rely on the help of others to get me through a tough spot, regardless of how much I earned per hour.

So, I say again, just because ONE Walmart had a canned food drive for it's own employees, doesn't mean all Walmart employees face economic hardships simply because Walmart "pays so little".

The difference between me and the people crying they now want 20/hr for doing the same thing they agreed to do when then signed up to be an employee at Walmart for minimum wage? Instead of going outside and holding a sign refusing to work unless JCPenney paid me more, I got off my ass, got a new job as a "rodman/mule" on a survey crew, and earned my way from 7/hr to 22/hr. No "Demands", No schooling, just sweat, blood, brains and tears.

So, don't tell me I'm out of touch because I'm not. I understand that in this life, things are not handed to you, and you have to earn what you want, and that takes more than holding a stupid sign with a bunch of demands on it, which is more than I can say for most these days.

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"Financial Hardships" and not making enough money to put food on the table are two completely different things NR...get your head out of your azz...

Do you honestly believe that $8.00 an hour is a fair living wage, and you would be willing to work for that, without asking for any assistance?

Could YOU survive on a Walmart job today?

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Don't work for Walmart, that's a simple solution.

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Where should they work IWISH?

Walmart has put thousands of small businesses OUT of business and thousands of people in this country out of work...

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Originally Posted By Buckstalker:

Where should they work IWISH?

Walmart has put thousands of small businesses OUT of business and thousands of people in this country out of work...
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Buckstalker you been around long enough to know that chains like Walmart, Home Depot, Lowes etc. put thousands of small businesses out of business along the chain, that's the nature of the game.

Im not saying it's right, but it's reality.

I think the one's that will be hurt the most by continuing to raise the mimium wage are fixed income people.

I still think we should supply the basic needs to all that need it, then they can work to get what they want above that. There will alway's be some that will trade the basics for drugs etc. but they will have had a good starting point to live beyond survival.

Continuing to raise the minium wage just means in the end everything else will raise.

I saw recently Mark Cuban suggest we give money directly to the poor instead using our social welfare system.

I also saw where he took on the SEC recently instead of paying a couple of million and won, off the subject some.

I am not fond of these major chains that are starting to momopolize the industry, and i will not use their self check out lines if i go there. Employees want us to use them, but most don't realize there putting themselves out of jobs.

And Walmart is close to the bottom of these chains as far as places i go.

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quote:
Originally posted by buckstalker:
"Financial Hardships" and not making enough money to put food on the table are two completely different things NR...get your head out of your azz...

Do you honestly believe that $8.00 an hour is a fair living wage, and you would be willing to work for that, without asking for any assistance?

Could YOU survive on a Walmart job today?

You need to pull your own head out of your ass and study up on your reading comprehension. The article sourced for this thread talks about ONE Walmart in Ohio that held a "Holiday Food Drive" for it's employees for Thanksgiving. To try to suggest that this means all Walmart employees can't put food on the table, (as both you and the author of said article are tying to do), is a just asinine.

As far as surviving on Walmart wages now? No, I couldn't. If I were single again with no kids? YES. I could survive on minimum wage. I did then, and I could do it again. No doubt in my mind.

See, the thing that some people don't understand, is that the only person looking out for you and your interests is yourself, (and maybe your family and friends). I knew when I was working at JCPenney that I couldn't have a family and the things I wanted at that kind of job, unless I planned to try for management, (I hated sales jobs, I don't like bending truths trying to convincing people to buy crap they don't really need), I was going to have to find something better.

Never once did "living wage" cross my mind, nor this idiotic notion that someone was just going to hand me the wages required to have what I wanted or even needed. There was even a period of about 8 months or so where I worked 2 jobs. One during the week and the other during the weekends. I didn't cry injustice, I didn't make signs, I just did what had to be done.

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Forget it NR...you are clueless as to what I am talking about here, and sadly, you most likely will never get it...

Here's a hint...try looking at the bigger picture...try looking beyond YOURSELF!

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quote:
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See, the thing that some people don't understand, is that the only person looking out for you and your interests is yourself

Exactly my point...we have become a "me me me and phuck everybody else" society...

We have become selfish, self serving, greedy and divided...and people like YOU are proponents of this mindset

This will be our undoing..."Divided We Fall"

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And what exactly is "the bigger picture" there buckstalker?

That ones employer is completely responsible for your survival regardless of skill, merit, dedication, intelligence, good decisions or lack there-of?

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quote:
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Originally posted by NR:



See, the thing that some people don't understand, is that the only person looking out for you and your interests is yourself

Exactly my point...we have become a "me me me and phuck everybody else" society...

We have become selfish, self serving, greedy and divided...and people like YOU are proponents of this mindset

This will be our undoing..."Divided We Fall"

I have no problem with charity, and I recognize that there are some who do not have the capability to survive on their own, through no decision of their own... But those aren't the people crying foul and holding up signs, demanding "living wages" for mindless, skill-less jobs, are they?

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quote:
Originally posted by NR:
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Originally posted by buckstalker:
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Originally posted by NR:



See, the thing that some people don't understand, is that the only person looking out for you and your interests is yourself

Exactly my point...we have become a "me me me and phuck everybody else" society...

We have become selfish, self serving, greedy and divided...and people like YOU are proponents of this mindset

This will be our undoing..."Divided We Fall"

I have no problem with charity, and I recognize that there are some who do not have the capability to survive on their own, through no decision of their own... But those aren't the people crying foul and holding up signs, demanding "living wages" for mindless, skill-less jobs, are they?
I rest my case!!!!!

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quote:
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i wasn't joking wheni posted that te most pattriotic act i could do for my country would be to go to China and become a union organiser..

i'm neutral on the quality of Unions... a good union is an asset to managemetn and actually decreases managemtn costs. they train employees and look after safety issues...

bad unions are no differnt from bad management... and i don't beleive that 'bad" unions destroy good companies any more than i believe that well run companies even need unions...


after all of that? i bleive in our Constitution whihc most certainly granted US citizens the right to organise into Unions if we wish...

the new Pope is impressing me with his attitudes, and i'm not a Catholic, i'm not going to convert because of him (or at least it i don't expect to right now) but what he is saying about unfettered capitalism is "a new tyranny" is dead on... hell it is not even new.. the Romans were unfettered capitaists, to teh point of subjugating most of the western world....

i dunno what a good balance is... i know that you need customers with money inorder to be a successful Capitalsit, that menas somebody has t make more than enough moeny to feed, clothe and house themsleves..

food in the USA is NOT a Capitalist enterprise, and hasn't been since the last depression whne th eFarmers went bust... it actually can't work as a true capitalistic program either becuase of the way monoculture works...

"i wasn't joking wheni posted that te most pattriotic act i could do for my country would be to go to China and become a union organiser"

Im sure that would go over real well with the "party".

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seems like it would go over wIth "the party' just about as well as union organisers do with you caschow. [Wink]

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So they recycle this drivel every year eh? Here Ray, I saved you the trouble of posting this.

http://www.businessinsider.com/walmart-employee-food-drive-2014-11

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I forgot about this post that I made thanks for bringing it up.

You have earned the right to be my assistant please find some more dd to post I don't even have to read it.as I won't maybe bulkstalker will help you!

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CREDIT: Associated Press

Walmart employees who are organizing as part of OUR Walmart are promising the biggest strikes ever on Black Friday, saying more employees will participate than the previous two years.
Barbara Gertz, an employee from Denver, Colorado, said organizers are expecting to see protests in 1,600 stores. While they don’t yet have a headcount of how many workers will strike or in how many cities, she said they’ve gotten calls “every day” from employees who want to join in. Protests will hit Los Angeles and a number of other major metropolitan areas. Employees at more than 2,100 Walmart stores across the country have signed an online petition asking for higher wages and better working conditions.

Gertz explained why she’s planning to take part. “There have been many times my family can’t even afford the gas to get me back and forth to work, so my husband had to wait in the car to take me home after work,” she said on a call with the press. “Every time one of us speaks out for change, we take the risk that Walmart will fire us. That’s not right and that’s not legal. That’s why we’re going on strike.” The National Labor Relations Board has backed up some of the claims of retaliation against organizing workers.

She noted that while the company has made some changes — it has announced an increase in the wage for its lowest-paid employees above the federal floor of $7.25 an hour, overhauled its scheduling program, and made some changes for pregnant employees — “associates are still struggling and our stores are still understaffed.” Striking Walmart workers have been calling for $15 an hour, more full-time work, and an end to retaliation to those trying to form a union over the past two years, and those demands were repeated on Thursday as they staged the first-ever sit-in strike.

Workers have gone on strike and protested for the past two Black Fridays. This time, they will also be joined by “tens of thousands” of community members, according to Stephanie Ly, AFT New Mexico president and a teacher, the “largest mobilizing of working families we’ve seen in recent history.” Teachers, elected officials, members of the clergy, and others will participate in protests at stores, flash mobs, marches, and prayer vigils.

“As a teacher, this tears me apart,” Ly said. “The constant struggle Walmart has created for families is not acceptable. It’s also holding back the next generation from the opportunities and fair shake they deserve.” They’ll join in the call for $15 an hour and full time work on behalf of “students who are coming to school hungry.”

While Walmart some workers will go on strike, others will be asked to report to work the day beforehand: Thanksgiving. Nearly 1 million workers will be asked to report to work on the national holiday to keep the store open all day, with Black Friday shopping deals starting at 6 p.m.

The company has admitted that less than half of its workforce makes more than $25,000. But it could easily raise pay by ending stock buybacks or raising the cost of an item like a DVD by a penny.
Update

Walmart workers announced on November 21 that the largest Black Friday strikes will take place in Baker, LA; Chicago, IL; Dallas, TX; Los Angeles, CA; Tampa, FL; Minneapolis, MN; Bay Area, CA; Sacramento, CA; Tampa, FL; Washington, DC; Denver CO.

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