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Why Obamacare Isn’t Losing Popularity Even After A Month Of Really Bad Press
By Tara Culp-Ressler on November 6, 2013 at 1:09 pm

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A new poll released on Wednesday finds that uninsured Americans are increasingly interested in Obamacare, despite the ongoing technological problems plaguing the websites that allow them to sign up for health insurance plans. The Reuters/Ipsos poll found that 42 percent of Americans who currently lack insurance intend to enroll in a plan under Obamacare — a slight uptick from last month, when 37 percent of that population indicated they wanted to enroll. Overall public support for the health reform law also rose from 44 percent to 47 percent.

And that’s just the latest poll to find that Obamacare isn’t losing ground among the public, despite a month of headlines that have bemoaned its exchanges as a total disaster and warned Americans that it may cause them to get booted from their current insurance plan. At the end of last month, a Gallup poll found that Americans were “slightly more positive” about the health reform law after three weeks of its rocky roll-out than they were right before the exchanges launched. Around the same time, both a Washington Post poll and a Pew Research Center poll found that public opinion about Obamacare hadn’t taken a nosedive despite the frustrating issues with the website glitches.

In all of that polling, respondents tend to agree that it’s been a bad roll-out. So why isn’t support for the law completely tanking?

One of the Ipsos pollsters, Chris Jackson, offered up a plausible theory: Americans are finally having a personal experience with health reform. “The launch of the exchanges, that’s the first real world event for a lot of people,” he told Reuters. “There’s been this sense that once people got familiar with it, public opinion would start to move in its direction.”

At least so far, that point about health reform has seemed to hold true. Since “Obamacare” has become a politically-charged buzzword, the law doesn’t really poll well as a whole, and most Americans say they don’t like it. But they do like its individual provisions — often without initially realizing those benefits are a direct result of the health reform law they hate so much. Once they figure out what Obamacare can do for them, even some of the law’s most passionate opponents have ended up changing their minds.

People with employer-sponsored health insurance have already interacted with some of the benefits put in place by Obamacare, like no-cost preventative services and increased consumer protections. But the beginning of the exchanges’ open enrollment period was a massive expansion of the pool of people who stand to directly benefit from health reform, which has allowed even more Americans to have that “personal experience” that Jackson referenced. It makes sense that’s preventing Obamacare’s approval from plummeting, despite a roll-out that’s been widely panned.

The Republicans who continue to crusade against Obamacare are well aware of this reality. On Wednesday morning, Rep. Steve King (R-IA) — who has taken one of the most hardline stances against health reform, continually introducing measures to repeal the whole thing — acknowledged that the people in his state probably aren’t ardently opposed to Obamacare. “The charts that I’m seeing show that Iowa is one of the states that has some of the lowest percentage premium increases… And so the intensity of our pushback here will probably be in proportion to the premium increases that we get,” he noted. In other words, they like it because they’re having a positive experience with it so far.

And those positive experiences with Obamacare are certainly happening, even if the media isn’t trumpeting those stories. As the New York Magazine’s Jonathan Chait notes, the mainstream media has somewhat obsessively focused on the Americans who are have negative things to say about the law — the people who are locked out of the website because of glitches, and, most recently, the people who have received cancellation letters from insurers and will need to enroll in a new plan under Obamacare. Chait points out that headlines about individual, negatives stories (“Florida Woman Facing Higher Costs”) are always more attractive to the press than less personal accounts of success (“Millions Set to Gain Low-Cost Insurance”).

The apparent disconnect between media coverage and public opinion may also be driven by the fact that the media tends to use “Obamacare” as a shorthand to talk about the law’s insurance exchanges. Over the past month, President Obama has reiterated that the law is bigger than a website — and it’s actually bigger than the exchanges themselves, too. The expansion of the Medicaid program to cover additional low-income Americans is another huge component of Obamacare, and one that’s been running a lot more smoothly so far than the exchange sites. Many of the Americans who have had the best experiences with Obamacare so far are the poor people who have been locked out of the insurance industry altogether until this point. But in general, as Fairness & Accuracy in Reporting notes, those Medicaid success stories aren’t getting told in the press — or they’re told from a negative angle.

Of course, that’s not to say there aren’t serious problems with the exchanges’ bumpy roll-out. There are, and the website glitches are frustrating many of the uninsured Americans who are currently attempting to enroll in plans. But even those people haven’t indicated that the website problems are leading them to give up on health reform altogether — most of them say they want to keep trying to sign up. Assuming the websites actually improve and they eventually manage to do so, they’ll likely add to the growing number of Americans who have something positive to say about Obamacare. And public support could keep ticking up, confounding the Republicans who are insistent on declaring the whole thing to be a hopeless train wreck.

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Are you kidding me? Look at the polling data and not left wing opinion.

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facts are facts the public wants health care and they are willing to work with this plan an see where it goes.

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quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
Are you kidding me? Look at the polling data and not left wing opinion.

seriously cash? i am not a fan of Obamacare. I belive we should have made medicare available to anyone who wants it and give tax break directly to individuals/businesses who buy private insurance.

that would have been SO damn simple.


instead? we got this mess that private insurers AND hospitals absolutley LOVE!

in three years? no one will even remember that there was problem with the rollout of Obamacare. i say that because this same chit went down when they created medicare in 1966.... hell ronald reagan even made a record album against it in '61... did he EVER talk about repealing it later on? hell no!...
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I keep telling you that I agree with health care reform. The way it was done was completely typical political slime....we were supposed to have change. We were supposed to get rid of "business as usual" in Washington.

What do we get? Bribes to senators for votes, 2000 pages bill nobody read, that you need lawyers to read, and nobody still really has a grasp on all the details. We were told we had to "sign the bill to see what was in it". Really? Thats change we can believe in? The big progressive way?

We should have taken a problem at a time. Instead of flipping the system upside down.


I guess high co pay medicare is the solution.

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but cash, it was done the GOP way... [Big Grin]

in fact the GOP wrote almost all the bill and then refused to vote for it... welcome to US politics....

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The big problem with this health care plan is that involves the most corrupt segment of our economy the private insurance companies. Right now they are fighting for the largest percentage of profit they can get as usual that comes out of the publics hide.

The whole program should be government run like in England. Private companies should not be involved with public health.

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Major Insurance Company Faces Lawsuit For Allegedly Tricking Customers Into Canceling Their Policies
By Sy Mukherjee on November 7, 2013 at 11:08 am

Health Insurance Provider Anthem Blue Cross To Hike Rates
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A major California insurance company is being sued by two consumers alleging that they were tricked into dropping their health coverage when they could have remained on their preferred plans under Obamacare, the Los Angeles Times reports.

Obamacare allows insurance policies that were issued before the law was signed in 2010 to remain in place as long as they don’t change their benefits in a way that harms consumers, such as by increasing their out-of-pocket costs or dropping benefits. Customers who have these so-called “grandfathered plans” can keep them for however long the insurance company continues to offer it.

For customers who don’t have “grandfathered plans,” things are a little different. Their insurance providers must comply with Obamacare’s more robust benefit requirements. Some companies have been canceling millions of individual policies either in an effort to meet those new requirements, or because they want to change the plans in a way that would make them illegal under the health law. Most customers who shop for new individual policies under Obamacare will be eligible for tax subsidies to help them afford their coverage.

California’s Anthem Blue Cross may have convinced their customers that they fall into the second category — even though they’re actually in the first.

“Blue Cross successfully enticed tens of thousands of its individual policyholders to switch out of their grandfathered health plans and forever lose their protected grandfathered status,” states the lawsuit. “Blue Cross concealed information about the consequences of switching plans and intentionally misled its policyholders to encourage the replacement of grandfathered policies.”

The plaintiffs, Paul Simon, 39, and Catherine Corker, 63, of California say that they are among the customers that Anthem Blue Cross pressured to drop their grandfathered policies in 2011 without giving them all the facts about new Obamacare requirements that could raise the price of their plans in an effort to cut its own costs. Simon and Corker would have preferred to remain on the grandfathered plans permitted by the law, and are now asking the courts to block Anthem from canceling any more policies unless the company allows consumers to switch back into their grandfathered plans.

“This is about an insurance company manipulating the situation and concealing the facts,” said William Shernoff, an attorney for both the plaintiffs, in an interview with the Los Angeles Times. “We are asking the court to give our clients and everybody else in the same situation the option of going back to their grandfathered policies.”

California’s Anthem Blue Cross has regularly come under fire for shoddy business practices. Last year, the company requested a double-digit rate hike on customers’ premiums despite the fact that employers and other health insurers said that only modest adjustments were necessary in order to keep up with health care inflation.

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A good deed has come back to haunt a formerly homeless northern New Jersey man.

James Brady found $850 on a Hackensack sidewalk last April and turned it in to police. Brady was awarded the money six months later after no one contacted police during the required waiting period.

Now, The Record reports that Brady has been denied General Assistance and Medicaid benefits by the Hackensack Human Services Department through Dec. 31 because he failed to report the $850 as new income he received.

The director of human services tells the newspaper they are just following the rules.

Brady was homeless when he found the money but has since found housing. He was featured in news reports nationwide for turning in the money, despite his own financial struggles.

Bergen County’s United Way has now set up a fund to benefit James Brady. Donations can be made through the charity’s website at

www.bergenunitedway.org/compassionfund/helpjamesbrady

Or by check, made out to “BCUW/Compassion Fund/Mr. Brady," and mailed to United Way, 6 Forest Ave., Paramus, NJ 07652


http://www.myfoxny.com/Story/23932172/honesty-doesnt-pay-off-for-ex-homeless-man

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"The whole program should be government run like in England. Private companies should not be involved with public health".

How bout we just pitch in and buy you a plane ticket.
So now I have to pay as much as some fat **** that could give a sh!t about his health or be fined for it.
Brilliant!!

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I am not up to speed on "obamacare"....and likely will never be until I have some medical catastrophe. Here is the problem as I see it.

There is going to be a sizable portion of the population that will benefit from either having insurance for the first time or having better insurance than what they had before due to pre-existing conditions. That is nice and I am happy for them.

But eventually what you are going to end up with is a single payer system at some point. A single payer to multiple private businesses (hospitals, docs, etc...). When that occurs you are going to have what you have with colleges today. Education and tuition costs are through the roof. It would not be at the level it is today without the government making cash for education so easily acceptable. The ease of acquiring money to start school for all people creates high demand. High demand at a given price level indicates to a service provider that they are under valuing their service. This raises the cost. We have all witnessed this over the last 20 years in education. Many of you have probably lamented it. But here we go again....Its never worked but we should repeat it anyway.

Pre-existing conditions suck...I whole heartedly believe that. However, could someone please explain to me how you insure a pre-existing condition??? that is not insurance!!! Cancel you autopolicy and wait to have an accident then call up Geico or whomever and ask them to cover the wrecked the car. Be sure to tell them that its totaled at the moment but that is just a pre-existing condition.

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quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
"The whole program should be government run like in England. Private companies should not be involved with public health".

How bout we just pitch in and buy you a plane ticket.
So now I have to pay as much as some fat **** that could give a sh!t about his health or be fined for it.
Brilliant!!

Actually, if you're healthy and have had little or no medical claims you'll pay considerably more than the fat ****. Your rates will skyrocket while the fat bas-tard will probably see a rate decrease. Take from the healthy to provide for the slovenly. Sounds familiar doesn't it?
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quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
"The whole program should be government run like in England. Private companies should not be involved with public health".

How bout we just pitch in and buy you a plane ticket.
So now I have to pay as much as some fat **** that could give a sh!t about his health or be fined for it.
Brilliant!!

surf, you already do and have been for decades now.

not only that but you pay for idiots who drive while texting, and you alos have paid for "siamese twins" to be separated-

the doctors and hospitals have ALWAYS adjusted your bills accordingly..

why do they rob banks? cuz that's where the moeny is. duh!

c'est la vie.

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Public college cites high cost of Obamacare in canceling students' health plans

The official website for Bowie State, a Maryland public school less than an hour's drive from Washington D.C., explains that Obamacare's new regulations would force the cost of the insurance to rise from $50 to $900 a semester.


http://campusreform.org/?ID=5235#sthash.JBFUpmE3.dpuf


Still think Obamacare isnt losing "popularity" Ray?

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Originally Posted By Rounder1:

Pre-existing conditions suck...I whole heartedly believe that. However, could someone please explain to me how you insure a pre-existing condition??? that is not insurance!!! Cancel you autopolicy and wait to have an accident then call up Geico or whomever and ask them to cover the wrecked the car. Be sure to tell them that its totaled at the moment but that is just a pre-existing condition.

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Most everyone will have some type of pre-existing
condition in their lifetime, unless they have perfect health until they die... rather unlikely

Unfortuantly some people have health problems most of their life and not because of their own doing. Check out childrens hospitals and you will get my point, I feel bad for them, not mad.

You are not paying for these illness when they are already sick and in the hospital,in many cases, although it is more likely. It's not like they had the illness then they look for insurance to pay for it. Car insurance is just the same, the more tickets/accidents you have the more you pay, it not that you have an accident and can't get insurance.

But i feel much better about charging auto insurers more than i do people with health problems, because driving you can live without.

It's easy to close our eyes to the sick and homeless if were in a better situation. But it has to suck to be sick most of our life and homeless, which is the case for some, and have to fight the system to.

I am not saying Obama care is the solution, but i am saying we need to take care of the sick and homeless!

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but i am saying we need to take care of the sick and homeless.....

there was this guy i been hearing about since i was young..... i think they called him Jesus? yeah.... probably could not have gotten elected to dog catcher here huh?

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quote:
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but i am saying we need to take care of the sick and homeless.....

there was this guy i been hearing about since i was young..... i think they called him Jesus? yeah.... probably could not have gotten elected to dog catcher here huh?

After that post...what little respect is now gone. You are gonna bring that into politics? You are an ass and idiot for that.

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but i am saying we need to take care of the sick and homeless.....

there was this guy i been hearing about since i was young..... i think they called him Jesus? yeah.... probably could not have gotten elected to dog catcher here huh?

After that post...what little respect is now gone. You are gonna bring that into politics? You are an ass and idiot for that.
really? you think so?
from a purely philosophic point of view?
you are pathetic pagan.

whether you are Christian is not even the point. values are values, and your respect means absolutely nothing to me either.

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wake up Pagan, here's what is wrong with our medical system.

it's really very simple.

in MS i have to spend about 200$ of my money and my inusrance money combined to get a friggin pack of sudafed. which is actually worth about 2$....

it is really that simple. that's a tiny bit of the bigger picture. the numbers don't add up, and somebody is going to have to pay. since i have moeny? i get to pay.

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the other day? i went to pick a perscrition for somebody else who has very excellent insurance coverage too.

the doctor wrote a script for VimoVo which is nexxium and Aleve combined the price was 154$ for 30 days and the insurance company would not pay for it without "special aproval"

i do some checking becuase i know this is ridiculous...

aleve is OTC and cheap... and nexxium is fully covered if prescribed alone...


why is the docotr writing thgis script like this?

why is the drug company making this stuff and charging this much?

because they are milking people like cattle.

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Democrat idol Jimmy Carter's grandson says Obamacare a mess.


“I think folks are feeling like [Obamacare] is a mess and so what I’m hoping to see from the president is some kind of fix, but right now, I think folks are really frustrated, including me,” Carter said on MSNBC’s “Thomas Roberts.”

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/11/jason-carter-georgia-governor-race-obamaca re-99870.html

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quote:
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wake up Pagan, here's what is wrong with our medical system.

it's really very simple.

in MS i have to spend about 200$ of my money and my inusrance money combined to get a friggin pack of sudafed. which is actually worth about 2$....

it is really that simple. that's a tiny bit of the bigger picture. the numbers don't add up, and somebody is going to have to pay. since i have moeny? i get to pay.

As soon as you get the chance...post that receipt. But I know you won't...cuz it's utter bull****. 200+ for Sudafed. Yea right. The pharmacicies only track it due to meth production. Are you making meth or something where you are paying that much? How big was that "pack" of sudafed. Quit the exagerating. You always claim a gold foil hat...that's BS...you hat is lead foil. All one has to do is read your posts to realize that.

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post my receipt?

LOL. it's about five reciepts in all. fisrt-off i have to go to the doctors office for aregular appointemnt. that's 185 total right there.

sudafed is precsrition only in MS.

Mississippi Officials Says Pseudoephedrine Prescription Law Has Reduced Meth Labs
By Join Together Staff | October 21, 2011 | 2 Comments | Filed in Community Related, Drugs, Legislation & Prevention

The Director of Mississippi’s Bureau of Narcotics says the state’s law requiring prescriptions for cold medicines containing pseudoephedrine, the key ingredient in methamphetamine, has reduced the number of meth labs in the state.

In the six months since the law went into effect, the number of meth labs has fallen by 70 percent, Marshall Fisher told the Register-Herald.

West Virginia is trying to pass a similar bill. The West Virginia Retailers Association, which represents stores including chain pharmacies, independent drug stores and groceries, opposes the bill. The group says an existing law that requires medications containing pseudoephedrine to be located behind the counter is effective.

http://www.drugfree.org/join-together/community-related/mississippi-officials-sa ys-pseudoephedrine-prescription-law-has-reduced-meth-labs


i and my insurance co. do pay 200$ to get a 60 day supply of sudafed that should cost me 2.$ just as i toldja...

once again your claims that i am full of crap shows how your feelings cloud your ability to make even the simplest of observations properly. You canot begin to draw proper conclusions if your mind is clouded by hate or whatever your real problem is with me...

one day you may get it right, but i won;t be holding my breath waiting...

and yes teh pharmacist does fill a real presrtiptin bottle of it instead of just selling me a package from behind the counter...


more laws more government BS and it ALWAYS ends up costing a small fortune every time...


BTW? i know my doctor charges me alot more than he does the people who live around me that have nothing, cuz he told me so in so many words. I have a pretty good relatioship with my doctor, and i am not mad at him for what is happening in this country...

the days of calling your doc on the phone and having script called in for free are OVER! i used to be able to do that about ten years ago... even for vicodin which is now being monitored by the DEA for every single bottle

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Hey Ray, tell me again how popular Obamacare is again?


Three 20-year-old programmers build a working Obamacare website in just days

While the Obamacare website still remains broken, three 20-year-old programmers have shown the government how it should be done.

Ning Liang, George Kalogeropoulos and Michael Wasser developed a site in matter of days – and it does things the expensive and faltering healthcare.gov can’t do.

From a San Francisco office the men have built HealthSherpa.com, which presents the Affordable Health Care Act data in a much simpler way to the government website.

Health Sherpa doesn’t try to do the more complex operations that the government site will offer – such as actually applying for insurance coverage.

But it does provide a more streamlined way of searching through the plans, and it is actually up and running.

http://liberallogic101.com/?p=3639

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I guess you missed this part in your own post?

"Health Sherpa doesn’t try to do the more complex operations that the government site will offer – such as actually applying for insurance coverage."

Your an idiot. Read the articles before you post them moron.

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John Boehner
CREDIT: AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite

Last week, House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) dropped his Federal Employees Health Benefits Plan (FEHB) and signed up for coverage in Washington D.C.’s health care exchange, as required by a Republican-backed provision of the Affordable Care Act.

Boehner’s office informed reporters that the congressman’s “health insurance premiums will nearly double — and his deductibles will almost triple.” Boehner and his wife currently pay $433 per month with a $700 deductible, but “would have to pay $802 per month in premiums, with a deductible of $2,000″ next year. “The Boehners are fortunate enough to be able to afford higher costs,” a spokesperson told Politico. “But many Americans seeing their costs go up are not. It’s because of them that this law needs to go.”

The Los Angeles Times’ Michael Hiltzik argues that the comparison is misleading since Boehner is not the typical Obamacare beneficiary.

The 64-year-old is moving from generous employer coverage into the individual market, where his age — just one year short of Medicare eligibility — would allow insurers to charge him three times as much for coverage as younger person and his high income would disqualify him from tax credits. Conversely, most of the people who are expected to sign-up for health care under the law are uninsured and 6 out of the 7 million who are projected to enroll in 2014 will qualify for federal subsidies. (Unlike most Americans, Boehner will also receive a subsidy from his employer to offset the cost of coverage).

But while Boehner may have to pay more under reform, if Republicans had their way and actually repealed Obamacare, the speaker and other older Americans would struggle to find any coverage at all under the alternatives the GOP has proposed.

In 2009, as the House of Representatives debated health care reform, House Republicans did offer a replacement bill that Boehner and most members of the GOP conference supported. In broad terms, the bill would have:


1. Provided $15 billion to help states establish high risk pools for sicker individual.

2. Eliminated annual or life time spending caps in individual plans, but permited insurers to deny coverage to people with pre-existing conditions.

3. Allowed insurers to sell policies across states lines. The insurer would only have to follow the rules of the state it declares to be its “primary” state, not of secondary states in which it can also sell policies.

4. Allowed businesses to form association health care plans.

So how would Boehner fare if he were required to drop his existing coverage and sign-up for Boehnercare? Not very well, it turns out:


1. Boehner would not find coverage in the individual market. Republicans hope to increase access to coverage in the individual market by giving individuals the opportunity to purchase insurance licensed in different states. But it’s unlikely that Boehner would be able to find an affordable coverage option. Insurers that sell policies in the individual market-place usually deny coverage to older Americans with pre-existing conditions or those at risk of developing chronic disease. In fact, one survey showed that “nearly three-quarters of people who tried to buy coverage in this market never actually purchased a plan, either because they could not find one that fit their needs or that they could afford, or because they were turned down due to a preexisting condition.”

2. Boehner would have to pay far more in high-risk pools. When Boehner is denied coverage in the individual market, he could apply for insurance in expanded state-based high risk pools, which typically provide very expensive coverage for the so-called “uninsurables.” State-based pools suffer from low funding levels and enrollment caps (large numbers of sick people are very expensive to insure, after all), meaning that “high-risk pool premiums were above 25% of family income for 29% of the medically uninsurable population.” As one paper concluded, “even when high-risk pool enrollment was possible, for a large minority of medically uninsurable individuals, it was unaffordable.” The GOP bill would invest $15 billion in high risk pools, but research ha found that “adequate funding would be on the scale of $15-20 billion a year to cover 4 million individuals.”

3. Boehner would not find stable coverage in association health plans. If Boehner can’t purchase affordable coverage from state-run high risk pool, he could join an association-sponsored plan. Unfortunately, under his own legislation, associations are not required to provide a standard package of benefits and have an incentive to craft skimpy policies that attract healthier applicants.

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Has anyone here gone to healthcare.gov and tried to shop for policies and rates? I'd be real interested to hear about your experience, good or bad.
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quote:
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Has anyone here gone to healthcare.gov and tried to shop for policies and rates? I'd be real interested to hear about your experience, good or bad.

I would, but I do not feel comfortable putting sensitive data to an unsecured site. Do you feel comfortable doing that right now after what was said at the hearings over site security?
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quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
Has anyone here gone to healthcare.gov and tried to shop for policies and rates? I'd be real interested to hear about your experience, good or bad.

i'm not a customer so it would be inapropriate for me to go mucking around.

i am also interested in hearing about actual experiences.

incompetence of governmental agencies is nothing new, but when it is really bad? it can be breathtaking

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Of course, the train wreck continues.


No security ever built into Obamacare site: Hacker

It could take a year to secure the risk of "high exposures" of personal information on the federal Obamacare online exchange, a cybersecurity expert told CNBC on Monday.
"When you develop a website, you develop it with security in mind. And it doesn't appear to have happened this time," said David Kennedy, a so-called "white hat" hacker who tests online security by breaching websites. He testified on Capitol Hill about the flaws of HealthCare.gov last week.

"It's really hard to go back and fix the security around it because security wasn't built into it," said Kennedy, chief executive of TrustedSec. "We're talking multiple months to over a year to at least address some of the critical-to-high exposures on the website itself.


http://www.cnbc.com/id/101225308

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Pagan...we're you born an azzhole or is it a learned behavior for you? WTF is your problem man? I bet you got your azz kicked a lot when you were young didntcha...if not, maybe you should have...

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but i am saying we need to take care of the sick and homeless.....

there was this guy i been hearing about since i was young..... i think they called him Jesus? yeah.... probably could not have gotten elected to dog catcher here huh?

After that post...what little respect is now gone. You are gonna bring that into politics? You are an ass and idiot for that.

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quote:
Originally posted by buckstalker:
Pagan...we're you born an azzhole or is it a learned behavior for you? WTF is your problem man? I bet you got your azz kicked a lot when you were young didntcha...if not, maybe you should have...

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Originally posted by Pagan:
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
but i am saying we need to take care of the sick and homeless.....

there was this guy i been hearing about since i was young..... i think they called him Jesus? yeah.... probably could not have gotten elected to dog catcher here huh?

After that post...what little respect is now gone. You are gonna bring that into politics? You are an ass and idiot for that.

Pot and kettle azzhole. Your an anarchist buffoon with the ideology you espouse. Get over yourself already.

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http://townhall.com/tipsheet/danieldoherty/2013/12/05/gallup-graph-shows-hispani cs-abandoning-the-president-in-droves-n1758278


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Nope, you are wrong again...I am not an anarchist ...I'm a realist

and you are most certainly an azzhole...just ask around

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Originally posted by buckstalker:
Pagan...we're you born an azzhole or is it a learned behavior for you? WTF is your problem man? I bet you got your azz kicked a lot when you were young didntcha...if not, maybe you should have...

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Originally posted by Pagan:
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
but i am saying we need to take care of the sick and homeless.....

there was this guy i been hearing about since i was young..... i think they called him Jesus? yeah.... probably could not have gotten elected to dog catcher here huh?

After that post...what little respect is now gone. You are gonna bring that into politics? You are an ass and idiot for that.

Pot and kettle azzhole. Your an anarchist buffoon with the ideology you espouse. Get over yourself already.

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