Days before the nation hits its debt ceiling deadline October 17, conservatives are beginning to abandon their strategy of demanding concessions for a vote that prevents a U.S. default. Even as Republicans downplay the consequences of missing this deadline, Heritage Action and other influential conservatives have urged a new strategy that keeps Obamacare out of the debt. Now, they want Republicans to stay focused on keeping the government closed over Obamacare but relent on a debt ceiling increase.
On Wednesday morning, Heritage Action CEO Michael Needham conceded, “We should raise the debt limit.” “We’d give the speaker some flex on a short-term debt limit increase,” Needham said, though he went on to say that Heritage will oppose a budget continuing resolution that does not defund the health care law. “We’d be opposed to anything that would be considered a long-term debt limit increase, anything that goes beyond the 2014 election.”
Erick Erickson echoed that point on RedState, urging the GOP not to use the debt ceiling as leverage in its anti-Obamacare crusade.”Conservatives need to push the debt ceiling fight off the front burner to after Christmas,” he said, continuing, “This would buy us some time to finish the fight to defund Obamacare and set us up well to fight the next long-term debt limit increase to the death by removing some of the President’s scare tactics.”
At the same time, Reps. Paul Ryan (R-WI) and Eric Cantor (R-VA) have floated a debt ceiling agreement that does not demand a full Obamacare repeal. In separate op-eds, Ryan suggested the healthcare debate can be pushed off, while Cantor made no mention of it. Needham responded today that the “attention of Republicans and conservatives needs to be back on Obamacare and not on other ways out of this situation,” so the GOP can focus on dragging out the shutdown.
Koch Industries, the conglomerate owned by conservatives Charles and David Koch, has made its own dramatic departure. Despite donations to Heritage and active Tea Party groups, Koch publicly dissociated itself from the effort, saying the company “has not taken a position on the legislative tactic of tying the continuing resolution to defunding Obamacare.” According to NBC News, Koch officials have privately told lawmakers that a default would be economic “disaster.”
The Kochs and Heritage are among the groups that helped elect the very congressman who engineered this crisis.
Previously, those on the right advised House GOP to conflate the debt ceiling and shutdown talks in their larger effort to defund the healthcare law. Heritage has been the lead actor in this push, both in threatening a default and the government shutdown. DeMint earlier told the New York Times he thought Republicans were not aggressive enough in linking the debt ceiling to Obamacare. “They’ve been through a series of C.R.s and debt limits,” he said, “and all the time there was discussion of ‘O.K., we’re not going to fight the Obamacare fight, we’ll do it next time.”‘
The strategy to make a debt ceiling vote explicitly about Obamacare was highlighted by the Wall Street Journal, Washington Examiner, and National Review. But business leaders and economists warn of a global economic meltdown if the U.S. passes its October 17 deadline.
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Some House Republicans indicate they’re now willing to accept a short-term debt limit increase, while they force talks over Obamacare and other issues.
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quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: So are the dems glass
they are hurt but not nearly as bad as the GOP at this point. the GOP went after obamacare to start this mess but they are off that completely now...
even the Koch Bro's backed off of it yesterday...
Bohner is only trying not to lose his Speakership right now.
I have alot of family that is hardcore right wing and active miltary and retired military and the GOP has lost almost all of them caschcow... remebr that i was GOP until Bush invaded iraq and cut taxes a teh same time,(that's stupid), i am not a democart.... i come from serious GOP supporters and not all, but most of them are just shaking their heads rigth now...
both parties have "lost it" before and come back, so i'm not predicting that a third party will emerge or the that the GOP cannot come back, but the gOP is currently in total Chaos.
we do not even have a budget, they are only running on continuingresolutions... the Dems and Obama in particualr have 'submitted" to sequestration and that lack of budget for a couple years now... what are the GOP going to ask for next? raising taxes have been off the table for a couple years, remeber?
it is sad, but raising taxes is the only way we can remain the strongest country in the world AND pay our bills... it's that simple... i don't like it, but it's reality. we wnt to war and we lowered taxes, that's how we got where we are. you can't do that,
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GOP Voters, Business Interests, And Governors Are Abandoning Congressional Republicans
By Igor Volsky on October 11, 2013 at 9:36 am
John Boehner
As the government shutdown enters its eleventh day and the nation races towards a possible default, a growing number of Republican lawmakers, leaders, and voters are publicly blaming Congressional Republicans for the budget impasse. Though they fault President Obama for failing to negotiate with Congress, as the public mood sours, some within the GOP are hurriedly distancing themselves from the mess in Washington.
“It’s time for someone to act like a grown-up in this process,” former New Hampshire Gov. John Sununu (R) told the Associated Press. Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder (R) agreed, remarking on Monday that “This is not how we should operate. It shouldn’t be about people fighting and yelling.’ “The bottom line is we need that money in our economy to save rural hospitals and jobs in the rural areas,” Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer (R) told the Arizona Daily Star on Thursday, criticizing the GOP’e effort to defund the Affordable Care Act.
The criticism comes as an Associated Press-GfK poll released Wednesday showed that “three-quarters of Republicans nationally said their party in Congress deserves a moderate degree or most of the blame for the shutdown” and a NBC/Wall Street Journal survey reported that just 24 percent of Americans now have a favorable view of Republicans — the lowest figure in the poll’s history. Seventy percent of Americans say Republicans are putting politics ahead of the national interest and have an increasingly dim view of Tea Party backed Sens. Ted Cruz (R-TX) and Mike Lee (R-UT), who orchestrated the current impasse.
In yet another sign of trouble for the GOP, business interests are also showing signs of discontent, signaling a possible rift with Republicans ahead of the 2014 mid-term elections.
Iowa Republicans “are recruiting a pro-business Republican to challenge six-term conservative Rep. Steve King (R), a leader in the push to defund the health care law,” the Associated Press reports and party establishment leaders in Michigan are threatening to recruit and fund challengers to Rep. Justin Amash (R) and other Tea Party aligned candidates.
Meanwhile, Republican governors — some of whom questioned the wisdom of shutting down the government over Obamacare in the first place — are scrambling to deal with sudden shortage of federal dollars in their states.
Indiana Gov. Mike Pence (R) “has ordered the state pay 244 federally-reimbursed employees who support the National Guard” and has committed to “funding federal programs like SNAP (Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program), TANF (Temporary Assistance for Needy Families) and WIC (Women, Infants and Children) through the end of October.” Maine Gov. Paul LePage (R) has declared a state of “civil emergency” and warned that “our federally funded state employees may have to be laid off.”
A report released earlier this week found that the shutdown is disproportionately affecting Republican-leaning states like Virginia, Alaska, and Alabama, which have higher concentrations of federal employees and federal contracts.
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The republicans are beginning to crack. These are the eight craziest things that Canadian born Ted Cruz said yesterday.
Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) Pulls All Nighter Speaking In Congress Advocating The Defunding Of Affordable Health Care Act
The Republican Party is in free-fall, thanks in large part to Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX). Just over a week after Cruz successfully pushed House Republicans to shut down the government in a effort to defund the Affordable Care Act, an NBC/Wall Street Journal poll found just 24 percent of the country has a favorable view of the GOP and even less think well of the Tea Party. A larger portion of Americans blame Republicans for the shutdown than the portion that blamed Gingrich’s Republicans for shutting down the government in 1995-96. If a House election were held today, Democrats would win the popular vote by a 47 to 39 margin — all but ensuring that Nancy Pelosi would regain the speaker’s gavel.
And yet, if you listened to Ted Cruz’s speech Friday morning at the Values Voters Summit, you would think that he was a conquering general rallying his troops after a great victory — at least, that is, when he wasn’t being heckled for his opposition to comprehensive immigration reform. When the fight to shut down the government over Obamacare began, Cruz told the mostly adoring crowd, “it was abundantly clear this was not a strategy that Washington was going to embrace.” But Cruz and his ally Sen. Mike Lee (R-UT) “went over their heads to the American people,” and now those same Washington eminences “fear” those ordinary Americans. It’s as if President Obama was routed the minute Cruz’s shutdown began, and none of what the American people are actually saying about Cruz’s strategy matters.
Buoyed by this vision of himself as conservatism’s Great Hero, Cruz was in a boisterous and jokey mood. Here are eight of the craziest quips from his speech:
1. On Obama’s plot to kidnap him: “So this afternoon President Obama has invited the Senate Republicans to the White House. So after leaving here, I’m going to be going to the White House. I will make a request. if I’m never seen again, please send a search and rescue team. I very much hope by tomorrow morning I don’t wake up amidst the Syrian rebels.”
2. On the press: “The media wants America to give up and allow this country to keep sliding off the edge of the cliff.”
3. On the Constitution: “This is an administration that seems bound and determine to violate every single one of our bill of rights. I don’t know that they have yet violated the Third Amendment, but I expect them to start quartering soldiers in peoples’ homes soon.”
4. On the hecklers who interrupted his speech: “Is anybody left at OFA headquarters? I’m actually glad that the president’s whole political staff is here instead of actually doing mischief in the country
5. On hecklers, again: “It would seem that President Obama’s paid political operatives are out in force. The men and women in this room scare the living daylights out of them.”
6. On hecklers, a third time: “How scared is the President? What a statement of fear, what a statement of fear. Oh, they don’t want the truth to be heard. They definitely don’t want the truth to be heard.”
7. On the Cold War: “Our foreign policy is detente, which I’m pretty sure is French for surrender.”
8. On Vice President Biden: “You don’t need a punchline. You just say his name, people laugh.”
Tony Perkins, who leads the organization behind the Value Voters Summit, called Cruz “a de facto leader of the Republican Party” who was “filling a vacuum” at the top of the party. According to an NBC/Wall Street Journal poll released Thursday night, 44 percent of Americans don’t know who Ted Cruz. Among Americans that do, twice as many have unfavorable impressions of the Senator as have favorable ones.
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Hows that Obamacare website coming along? How much was that again? 600 million?
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quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: Hows that Obamacare website coming along? How much was that again? 600 million?
just curious cashcow...
how many critical updates have you gotten from microsoft? 5,000?
how many times have YOU launchd website designed to show hundreds of pages to tens of millions of people? no private entity starts that way... they start small and expand...
this whole mess is just getting worse- even john Stewart can't seem to understand that Big buisness ALREADY insures it's peopel so it doesn't need to be rolled itno the meatgrinder with all of the currntly uninured people...
Obamacare sux, but what we had already sucked too, so we are GOING to do something, even if it is not easy.... nothing is what th gOP wants to do and that is not acceptable....
just to put all this into proper perspective? i buy insurance every month, and when i and everyone else who does it, do it? we are already paying for all of the uninsured people that we are trying to get insured now (cuz they DO get health care)...
it really is that simple.
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quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: Hows that Obamacare website coming along? How much was that again? 600 million?
just curious cashcow...
how many critical updates have you gotten from microsoft? 5,000?
how many times have YOU launchd website designed to show hundreds of pages to tens of millions of people? no private entity starts that way... they start small and expand...
this whole mess is just getting worse- even john Stewart can't seem to understand that Big buisness ALREADY insures it's peopel so it doesn't need to be rolled itno the meatgrinder with all of the currntly uninured people...
Obamacare sux, but what we had already sucked too, so we are GOING to do something, even if it is not easy.... nothing is what th gOP wants to do and that is not acceptable....
just to put all this into proper perspective? i buy insurance every month, and when i and everyone else who does it, do it? we are already paying for all of the uninsured people that we are trying to get insured now (cuz they DO get health care)...
it really is that simple.
Gee glass, does the 600 million for a website and system not seem much to you anymore? I get it, those of you who are older are now depending on us younger folks to foot the bill for you to get insurance. Its not about health care, its about insurance. The whole thing is screwed up and you know it. Senators were bribed to vote for it. Deals where done behind closed doors after we were promised transparency. Rates are going up, on and on and on.
As for critical updates from microsoft, well microsoft also does not tax you 2,500 annually for not signing up with them. I was reading something about how amazon.com compares to this. They handle a massive amount of traffic and transactions daily. Did they have to spend 600 million for their website only to launch it and have it be a broken joke?
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the 600 million figure is not all for the website cashcow, you are using propanda that you have been fed by the conservatives..
the whole thing is screwed up cashcow. but so was what we had. seeing as how half of all bankruptices in the US are relatd to healthcare costs? they prolly still will be for quite awhile yet.. if you go back and review your Conservative homework? you will find that Obamacare comes DIRECLTY form Newt Gingrich and the Heritage Foundation..that's what's so funny about the Tparty koolaid crew...
none of that excuses shutting down the government AFTER Romney ran on and lost his bid for the WH under the campaing slogan that he would end Obamacare on his first day... remeber that?
this behaviour we have watched recently is not acceptable..
here's a map of the congressiaonl districts of the mebers of the Tparty caucus- this many people did tha, if you dig deepre you'll find that almost every one of these districts takes in more Govt moeny that they contribute... by a factor of about 1.5... in other words? they have committed suicide with this;
Amazon started out with a tiny webiste. that's my point... they did not start out with millions of visitors on day one... in couple years? peopel wil laugh about the TParty... they will be the butt of many bad jokes, and they earned that..
how about all those Dakota Ranchers losing their asses from the storm duirng the shutdown? you think the TParty will be able to get them on-board after this? .. suicidal tendencies, that's the tparty
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The site does not work. It's not like this is the pioneering days of the net. They know damned well how to build a website capable of handling an enormous traffic load. Hell I can probably Google it for them... That'll be 88 million please.
The truth is that bammycare is not about healthcare. It's not even about reigning in insurance companies.
It is about control. Control of every human in this country. Every facet of every life in this country will soon be a matter of public record. Going to the doctor will soon be alot more scary when you realize everything you tell your doctor, or anything he finds will be disclosed to the government.
Add to this the fact that the new rates ARE unaffordable to most Americans. What a great way to kill the economy all while making a criminal out of everyone who can't afford insurance.
This is their move, this is the next step in implementing unending martial law in this country.
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Going to the doctor will soon be alot more scary when you realize everything you tell your doctor, or anything he finds will be disclosed to the government.
it's already been that way for years. but it's been the insurance co's that were told... is there a differnce?
Obamacare comes DIRECLTY form Newt Gingrich and the Heritage Foundation..that's what's so funny about the Tparty koolaid crew...
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the most screwed up thing about the way the TParty conducted itelf over the last year and especially the last week is that Hillary is choosing the new WH drapes this week....
the US has not even had an oprating budget for tow years now....
we are on a Coninuing Resolution and will be for another 3? months again?
the TParty has moved the goalposts so far back from growth, stabiltiy and Rationality that Democrats are standing and cheering about just being able to pay the bills due....
it's like cheering because your bilge pumps are still working but your ship is still sinking...
instead of gettting "on course" we are bailing and drifitng.
i have yet to hear one proposal to fix ANYTHING from the GOP. all they are doing is trying to make sure that the US fails under Obama so they can say voting for him was abig mistake...
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: Going to the doctor will soon be alot more scary when you realize everything you tell your doctor, or anything he finds will be disclosed to the government.
it's already been that way for years. but it's been the insurance co's that were told... is there a differnce?
Obamacare comes DIRECLTY form Newt Gingrich and the Heritage Foundation..that's what's so funny about the Tparty koolaid crew...
I don't really care who it came from. I don't believe the two parties exist as separate entities anymore than is necessary to maintain the illusion. I don't care about the tea party either.. All a scam to keep the sheep voting.
No the insurance companies do not report every little detail about your life. Insurance companies do not make you sign a waiver to have your home inspected yearly or at a whim. I also don't care if the current system sucks.. We know it does. That is not an excuse to implement a system 10,000% worse.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: the most screwed up thing about the way the TParty conducted itelf over the last year and especially the last week is that Hillary is choosing the new WH drapes this week....
the US has not even had an oprating budget for tow years now....
we are on a Coninuing Resolution and will be for another 3? months again?
the TParty has moved the goalposts so far back from growth, stabiltiy and Rationality that Democrats are standing and cheering about just being able to pay the bills due....
it's like cheering because your bilge pumps are still working but your ship is still sinking...
instead of gettting "on course" we are bailing and drifitng.
i have yet to hear one proposal to fix ANYTHING from the GOP. all they are doing is trying to make sure that the US fails under Obama so they can say voting for him was abig mistake...
Correct, and you won't because there is not such thing as a democrat or republican. They are all the same. All employees for central banks.
The goal is indebtedness and control. Assuming the goal is any different is just plain naive, considering what information is available via the internet.
We will not see a recovery... Most certainly not with bammycare being implemented. What we will see is the middle class being transformed into lower class poverty types. It is inevitable and all a part of the plan. People are already struggling to make ends meet. Add mandatory insurance at fifteen or twenty grand a year to the mix? Add single deductibles of ten grand to the mix?
Well I tell you what you have there.. Complete implosion of the economy.
Again, all part of the plan.
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sign a waiver to have your home inspected yearly or at a whim
now this is news to me, not surprising tho. the gun cotrol people want his to examine our weapons lockers too....
i've had several really really bad experinces with insurance co's that i don't feel like going into...
hiring lawyers? (which i hate) had to it several times to get what they owed me and i have just not bothered on more than one occasion simply because it was not worht the trouble...
i don't see a differnce becuase THEY are the ones who got Obamacare put through... in spite waht the GOP and Obama has been telling people. Obamacare does suck but so does what we have had...
free conjioned twins separtions for poor people??? LOL- never happened. they were never Free procedures, those of US that buy insurance paid for every free procedure ever offered...
that was Newt and the Heritage Foundation that createde "obamacare".
Obamacare makes US buy private insurance. Hospital CEO's are literally peeing their pants right now thye are so happy...
i watch Facebook post me advertisemtns from websites i googled thru Firefox, and people complain about the Govt? LOL NSA is *learning* from FB and Google...
i am not saying your are wrong relentless. i'm saying you are about five years behind and that the Govt is just a TOOL of the Corporations and not the people...
watch how legalistion of maryJ goes... it won't be long before the little medial growers are replaced by a Monsanto or a Cargill and then it will be legalised all over in a couiple years.... that's the way this country has always been..and always will be
railroads? they were given every bit of land for a mile or tow on esch side of the tracks as incventives to build them...
nothing IS changing in this aspect of govenrmtn control.. what is changing are the tools the Govt has available....
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George Washington the largest Distiller in the USA led a miltiary campaign to crush poor dirt farm-based distillers- they called it eh Whiskey Rebllion. fact is? GW didnot have to pay as much tax on his whiskey as dirt farmers did.. plain and simple..
nothing has changed.
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