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because at gun shows, they are not checked?
the only gun sales that are not background checked- EVER -are person to person gun sales...
all i hear on the TV are lies about somethign that i am very informed about. how on earth are honest people going to be held responsible to sell a gun they don';t want anymore?
when you die in Utah? they send the police around to collect medications. (don't beleiveme? look itu p yourself).. is that waht is coming for our guns too? when you die, the police will come to your house and search it for all your stuff that they want back?
what has this country become?
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One month after Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre prompted a national debate about preventing gun violence, state lawmakers have indicated they will push gun violence prevention measures, such as universal background checks, limiting high-capacity ammunition, and banning assault weapons. Right now, the vast majority of states have no laws on many of these issues.
While the country anticipates Vice President Joe Biden’s taskforce recommendations, Congress and many states have already pushed for some practical reforms:
– New York: The state will be the first to enact tougher laws. It expects to vote on the package on Monday, which expands New York’s ban on assault weapons, limits magazines to seven bullets, and requires background checks for private gun sales.
– Massachusetts: Governor Deval Patrick will seek tougher gun restrictions this session, such as limiting gun purchases to one per month and enhancing background screening.
– Maryland: Gov. Martin O’Malley plans “to propose limits on assault weapons and high- capacity magazines, as well as tougher licensing requirements for handguns.”
– Illinois: There are proposals to ban assault weapons, after a similar measure died last year due opposition from the NRA.
– Colorado: Gov. John Hickenlooper used his state address to call for background checks on private gun sales, currently exempt through the “gunshow loophole.”
– Arizona: In the Republican-controlled Arizona legislature, Democrats unveiled a plan for universal background checks.
– Delaware: Lawmakers are seeking background checks on private gun sales, a ban on assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition clips.
–Oregon: State Sen. Ginny Burdick (D) is backing bills that would ban or limit assault rifles and and expand background checks.
– California: State Sen. Leland Yee (D) will reintroduce a bill from last year prohibiting gun owners from outfitting semi-automatic weapons with devices that allow them to shoot more rounds.
– Florida: Florida has a new bill introduced by the Democratic House minority that gives local governments authority to ban concealed weapons from public events.
In Congress, lawmakers have already introduced eight smart bills on gun safety.
The debate has also galvanized gun groups from extreme quarters, notably the National Rifle Association. Elsewhere, Republican lawmakers in South Carolina, Indiana, Texas have pushed to weaken gun violence prevention in the wake of Sandy Hook.
A new report from the Center for American Progress outlines the 13 steps Congress and the president can take to address gun violence, including background checks on all gun sales and reinstating the assault weapons ban.
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Biden Proposals Include Framework for Gun Registry and Confiscation Tuesday, 15 January 2013 03:18 Written by Gun Owners of America
-- Up to 50-80% of all guns in circulation could be covered
Press reports now make it clear what Vice President Joe Biden’s gun control package will look like. Biden wants to impose:
* A Feinstein-like semi-auto ban which, according to experts who have done the counting, could ban up to 50% of all long guns currently in circulation and up to 80% of all handguns. Incidentally, if you wanted to keep the AR-15 you currently have, you would have to have a 6-month FBI background check, be fingerprinted, and get a machine gun-type license.
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Vice President Joe Biden is slated to deliver his suggestions for a series of gun violence prevention measures to the President today. Most likely, stronger gun regulations will be among the measures Biden proposes. And while the gun lobby may argue that such laws are out of step with the opinions of gun owners, a new Washington Post-ABC News poll shows that people who have a firearm in their home actually support a lot of gun safety measures.
Here are the top five gun laws that most gun owners would like to see:
1. Universal background checks. The poll found that a huge majority of gun owners — 86 percent — would like to see every single person who wants to purchase a firearm go through a background check. Currently, the so-called ‘gun show loophole’ allows some purchasers (those who buy used guns and those who buy at gun shows) to forgo a background check, setting up a system where criminals can easily purchase weapons.
2. Background checks for ammunition purchasing. As the law currently stands, ammunition can be purchased in bulk online with absolutely no background check. This is how mass murderer James Holmes was able to stockpile so much ammunition without anyone noticing. Seventy six percent of gun owners surveyed by the Washington Post want to see this law changed by instituting background checks for buying ammunition.
3. Ban on extended magazines. Extended magazine clips have been a focus of the recent gun law debate. Such clips, when used in mass killings, prove exceptionally deadly since, paired with an assault weapon, the gunman rarely has to stop and reload. Adam Lanza, the gunman responsible for the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School, used extended clips, as did Holmes. There’s no reason why a clip with more than is necessary to hunt, or for self protection, and 55 percent of gun owners want to see them outlawed.
4. Gun database. The United States already has a database of those who cannot buy guns — the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, NICS — but has much weaker methods of tracking the guns sold in the United States. Sixty two percent of gun owners like the idea of a database of guns purchases, so that the government has some handle on how many guns are out there. There have been reports that such a database, and a database of gun violence, might be among Biden’s suggestions.
5. Assault weapons ban. There’s not quite a majority of gun owners who support an assault weapons ban, but at 45 percent popularity, it’s close to tied between those who support and those who oppose. An assault weapons ban would block military-grade weapons, like those used by Lanza and Holmes, from sale on the public market. There’s evidence that such bans reduce the number of firearms deaths.
The support for each of these measures demonstrates that the gun lobby is out of step with everyday gun owners. NRA representatives insist that Congress won’t pass ammunition clip bans, for example, and say that background checks are “unnecessary” and expensive. But even NRA members support more regulations on guns than the lobby would like to indicate.
And members of Congress will soon have an opportunity to stand with the gun owners who support these stronger gun laws. Eight bills have already been introduced in the House that deal with these issues, and more are likely to be introduced after Biden presents the findings of his task force to President Obama.
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5. Assault weapons ban. There’s not quite a majority of gun owners who support an assault weapons ban, but at 45 percent popularity, it’s close to tied between those who support and those who oppose. An assault weapons ban would block military-grade weapons, like those used by Lanza and Holmes, from sale on the public market. There’s evidence that [b]such bans reduce the number of firearms deaths.[b]
flat out lie. unless you include banning them from the military... then gun deaths would drop and bombdeaths would go up the Korean-American shop owners in the Rodney King riots used semi-auto (so-called assault) rifles to protect themselves successfully from MOB violence.
this study is in the second most respected peer reviewed journal in the world PNAS (right after Nature):
Higher social class predicts increased unethical behavior
Paul K. Piffa,1, Daniel M. Stancatoa, Stéphane Côtéb, Rodolfo Mendoza-Dentona, and Dacher Keltnera
Author Affiliations
Edited* by Richard E. Nisbett, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, MI, and approved January 26, 2012 (received for review November 8, 2011)
Next Section Abstract
Seven studies using experimental and naturalistic methods reveal that upper-class individuals behave more unethically than lower-class individuals. In studies 1 and 2, upper-class individuals were more likely to break the law while driving, relative to lower-class individuals. In follow-up laboratory studies, upper-class individuals were more likely to exhibit unethical decision-making tendencies (study 3), take valued goods from others (study 4), lie in a negotiation (study 5), cheat to increase their chances of winning a prize (study 6), and endorse unethical behavior at work (study 7) than were lower-class individuals. Mediator and moderator data demonstrated that upper-class individuals’ unethical tendencies are accounted for, in part, by their more favorable attitudes toward greed.
socioeconomic status immoral action ethical judgment self-interest
more simply put? ' You do what we say, and we do what we wanna do" Kid rock. (where ya at rock where you at?)
i propose that we have a bunch of "high class" LIARS trying to take our rights away by lying about statistics on guns, gun owners attitudes and lies in particular about what even constitutes an assault wepaon... assault weapons are full auto - anything else is for self-defense, ask a Navy Seal a marine ani-terror response unit member or a Coast guard interdiction team member, they'll tel you they wouldn't do it without full-auto... they are the ones who are paid to do ASSAULTS ...
BTW? Romeny lost with more than 45% of the vote (47%)
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M16-A4- semi-automatic, three-round burst, and full-automatic fire. 850 RPM
MP5-The Heckler & Koch MP5 (from German: Maschinenpistole 5, "machine pistol model 5") is a 9mm submachine gun- 800 RPM
HK 33, and 53 &59 rounds of .223 like M16 per minute rate o fire - full auto 750 RPM...
the AR-15 is NOT an assault rifle, period, you would be considered irresponsible if you issued them to soldiers in the feild and the world would laugh at US... rate of fire? 15 RPM.....
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The New York State legislature has passed a piece of gun legislation called the New York Secure Ammunition and Firearms Enforcement Act, or NYSAFE. The comprehensive measure makes sweeping changes to how the state approaches firearms and mental health. Here’s everything you need to know about the measure:
1. New York is the first state to do something since Newtown. There has been a lot of talk about gun safety legislation in the wake of the horrific murder of 20 little kids and seven adults, but New York legislators are the first to pass any measures at all that might help to prevent such incidents from recurring. At least ten states have proposed gun laws.
2. It regulates access to the most deadly weapons and ammunition. One of the primary functions of the bill is that it bans certain guns and ammunition that allow a murderer to kill with little effort. The bill, the New York Times reports, “[bans] semiautomatic pistols and rifles with detachable magazines and one military-style feature, as well as semiautomatic shotguns with one military-style feature. New Yorkers who already own such guns could keep them but would be required to register them with the state.” New York is the third state with this kind of assault weapons ban, along with Massachusetts and New Jersey. It also bans magazine clips that hold more than seven bullets.
3. It protects the mentally ill. The bill will require gun owners in homes with mentally ill people to properly lock up firearms. It also requires mental health professionals to report to authorities any patient who is suicidal or has thoughts about killing others, so that guns owned by such individuals can be confiscated if they are found to be a public threat. Legislators also included another protection for the mentally ill: It expands the ability of judges to order mentally ill people to seek outpatient care.
4. Republican state senators supported it. The Republican-controlled state senate voted in favor of the bill by a margin of 43 to 18. Republican senators were vocal in their support. State Sen. Dean Skelos, a Republican from Long Island, told Bloomberg News, “he voted for Cuomo’s bill because it strikes a balance between gun owners’ rights and public safety.”
The bill is more than a symbolic answer to a tragedy; it will probably help to curb violence in the state. A recent Washington Post study showed that, when the federal assault weapons ban was in place for ten years, far fewer high-capacity guns were found at crime scenes — only 9 percent. After the ban expired, that jumped to 20 percent.
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and mentally ill people will not seek the help they need for fear of being listed like this... sadly, they will avoid any possibilty of getting help.
as to having to register a gun, that's how get o the "the list" too..... i won't be moving to NY (ever)... just a couple weeks ago some bozo pubhed th elist in newspaper remember?
ray, aren't you one of those people who is supposd to be protected form the people you enforced the laws upon? i would never consider ratting you out no matter what... but other people don't care..
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The other thing to consider is that not all mentally ill people are very easily identifiable...... some of the worst mental illnesses develope well into adulthood. This means they may have guns that were aquired when they were well... or it could be that as adults that become ill, their developing psychosis is not detected...... then u have hormonal inbalances... not considered mentally ill but just as capable of psychotic behaviour.
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how would you like to be a counselor today? fced with the notion of having to report someone who may come after you with butcher knife when the SWAT team come to their house and forcibly takes all their guns?
i'm not against trying to keep guns out of the hands of the wrong people, but passing laws is the EZ part...
i have shot thousands of rounds with people just liek the the ones in th epicture above, i have counted them as my frinds.. and they do not want to be taking guns form people either...
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before anybody tires to correlate the gun ban of '94' withe death rate drop? remeber that NO weapons were ever taken off th estreet in the last gun ban.... it was the dumbest POS legsilation i have ever actually read.. no bayonnete lugs, no pistl grips on rifles,
criminals and suicedes are mostlycommitted by guns that were not banned.. usually a revolver.. criminals specifically like them because they do not spill the casings on the floor thus making policing our shellcasings before you leave the scene (in a hurry) unnecessary...
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Police Shoot, Kill Dog When Going To A Home By Mistake January 15, 2013 11:14 PM
ADAMS COUNTY, Colo. (CBS4) – An Adams County man is in shock after he says deputies shot and killed his dog.
Jeff Fisher said deputies went to his house by mistake. He said when they forced their way through the door his dog Ziggy ran outside and an Adams County Sheriff’s deputy shot and killed him.
“(He went to the door) to see who it was and the police officer “I called the dog, he turned to come back to me and the police officer opened fire,” said Fisher.
Ziggy was an 8-year-old Blue Healer/Border Collie mix.
The Adams County Sheriff’s Office said deputies responded to the address on reports of a business alarm going off.
A spokesman said he can’t say more until the investigation is complete but did release this statement, “It’s our goal at the Adams County Sheriff’s Office to complete a thorough investigation of this incident, be able to answer any questions that people who have concerns about this incident may have and to do right for the owner of this dog.”
Fisher said he wants that deputy to be held accountable.
“I’m on the ground crying hysterically and the police officer says, ‘You need to calm down, you can get a new dog,’” said Fisher.
According the latest Gallup survey, which was taken after the Sandy Hook murders and Wayne LaPierre's press conference, the NRA, despite being demonized 24/7 in the media, enjoys a favorability rating of 54%. Today, according to Gallup, Obama's approval rating sits at 53%.
Moreover, only 38% of those polled have an unfavorable opinion of the NRA. Obama's disapproval rating sits three points higher at 41%.
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The police and govt should have to abide by the same laws they impose on the people. No 30 round mags in public possession? Same goes for cops. What are they trying to do to stop the cops from putting numerous rounds into someone like they did in NY a while back?
What about all the officer involved shootings of unarmed civilians?
Not sure what the 15 year old was doing or if he had a weapon but saw this today:
Guard shoots boy, 15, at FDA office in Bothell
A security guard shot a 15-year-old boy at a Food and Drug Administration regional facility in Bothell early Friday, according to police. Bothell Police Captain Denise Langford said it was not immediately clear why the guard fired at the boy at about 7 a.m. in the parking lot of the FDA's Pacific Regional Laboratory Northwest. The teenager got into a car after he was hit by gunfire and crashed into another vehicle about a mile away on the Bothell-Everett Highway, said Sgt. Cedric Collins of the Bothell police. He was taken to Evergreen Hospital in Kirkland with non-life-threatening injuries and is expected to recover, Collins said.
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and ban murder and suicide again too make owning a gun hate crime?
i understand that Washington state is considering a lwa that would allow police to inspec your gun storage devices 'every year'? if that passes? watch out, the chit is headed toward the fan
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here's what the "geniuses" have come up with ; idjits even want to ban compensation ports (used mostly for target shooting) and thumbhole stocks among other things. the law is written to ban any gun "capable" of accepting a magazine over ten rounds, whihc is basically every semiauto ever made or will be made because theres no realpractical way to limit the size of the clips, in fact? if read this bill in the most critical ways? it bans almost every firearm except antiques and up to 9-shot revolvers which might have to be made single action....
AdWeek reports that Comcast, which is purchasing the rest of NBC Universal, will begin using that company’s rules for advertising across its whole enterprise. And that includes a ban on firearms advertisements:
In a statement, Comcast said it decided this month it would adopt the advertising guidelines used by NBCUniversal, which will not accept ads for weapons or fireworks. (Last week, the cable giant announced it would acquire the 49 percent of NBCU it didn’t own for $16.7 billion.) NBC’s ad policy, last updated in June 2012, reads: “NBC does not accept advertisements for weapons or fireworks. Commercials that include weapons or fireworks as props will be approved on a case-by-case basis.” News of the policy change was reported by the local ABC affiliate in Flint, Mich. Williams Gun Sight Co. was outraged that its 30-second spot could no longer run on cable. A Comcast spokesperson didn’t know how long the NBC policy banning ads for firearms and weapons had been in place at NBC. “It’s a long-standing policy,” the spokesman said.
Voluntary restrictions on gun ads are relatively common in the wake of gun violence. In 1999, President Clinton asked representatives of the entertainment industry to eliminate advertising that included images of guns and gun violence. In 2003, the Sarasota Herald-Tribune decided it would only accept for ads that were antiques or collectibles after a man murdered his wife with a weapon that he purchased from the Guns & Rifles section of the classifieds. And this January, ESPN refused to renew an advertising contract with East Coast Guns on the grounds that its advertising criteria had changed to exclude ads that featured hand guns and ammunition for those weapons.
Comcast’s decision seems more likely to be the product of standardizing corporate practices as part of the acquisition than a direct response to the Newtown massacre. It would be a public relations problem for the company for a sales representative operating under one set of standards to accept an advertisement that local affiliates are unable to run. But it’s also probably a good call for the company given the current environment. I’ve said this before, but I think one of the most reasonable steps the entertainment industry could take in response to concerns about the impact of violent media would be to align the ratings of products that are being advertised with the ratings of the products they’re being advertised during. It would be labor-intensive to place ads that way. But making sure that viewers who have turned into general-interest or all-ages programming aren’t surprised by images of graphic violence would at least help consumers make viewing choices, even if it wouldn’t address the concerns of people who are worried about the desensitizing impacts of media violence.
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oddly enough? a corporation (any corporation) has much easier access to the possession and ownership of true assualt weapons than a common "person" like us individual human beings.... lessee if they want to address that issue by banning that loophole in the existing laws? i bet they do not. we are heading into a time of Corporate Feudalship in US society.
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wait? it's already happened, and you are going along with it.
when we went to private jails? we crossed the line. the creepiest part about that is that the South has almost always had vagrancy laws allowing the sherrifs to arrest people for not having a job and then renting them out to local businesses... it isn't new- none of it.
i want to bring you and other Liberals, back to earht about gun rights and why we really have them. between 1890 (post-reconstruction) and 1960, there were over 5000 documented (mob related)lynchings in the US, and prolly five times as many seious mob lynchingsthat went undocumented. I live in the land of Emmit Till... that happned right down the street, and if you think because you live in Californai that everything is all better now? you are deaf and blind. Remebr that blacks were allowed to ride the bus, just not in the front, that'sa the same as sying you have teh right to own a gun, bu you cannot have as many bullets as the cops do. the cops and the corprate overlords get to ride the fornt of the bus now, and the cops here were the problem, not the solution during the lynching period, they allowed t and protected the activity,, and we are going right back to it, after the Feds came in and tried to fix it from about 65-to last year... the worst part i sthat it's Liberals like the Clintons and Obama who really do not understand why the they were able to acheive what they did. they lie to themsleves and think it was purely opinion. people died for these rights, they will again. i'm not threatening anything, i'm simply stating a human truth to you....
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I am going to tell you glass don't make a mistake and judge a financial liberal and a bleeding heart. I am proud of the progressive past and the things that mostly democrats have brought to this country.
the right for workers to organize
the civil rights movement that is still ongoing
public education
health care
unemployment insurance
These are just a very few, and some of the gop fought for them to. That is when the gop were Americans and served the people of this country not there corporate rulers. I like most progressives believe that hard work should have a reward to it and I hate a freeloader. Like you said purley opinion some I agree with what you say most I don't but thats ok and American.
One thing Iam not going to do is get into a fight with fellow Americans and I won't fight or risk getting the crap shot out of me over a 30 round mag and who gets to have one. I have been fighting most of my life and my last years are going to be living in peace and comfort.And I am going to try to understand the world a little better before I leave it.
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actually you should know by now that i don't judge antyhing like that. i support the right to unionise, but not all of the things unions do,
tell me what you think of this one:
Feb 21 2013 150 Comments The Department Of Homeland Security Stole My Boat Today The primary form, prepared by the government, had an error. The price was copied from the invoice, but DHS changed the currency from Canadian to U.S. dollars.
It has language at the bottom with serious sounding statements that the information is true and correct, and a signature block.
I pointed out the error and suggested that we simply change the currency from US $ to CAD $ so that is was correct. Or instead, amend the amount so that it was correct in U.S. dollars.
I thought this was important because I was signing it and swearing that the information, and specifically the price, was correct.
The DHS agent didn’t care about the error and told me to sign the form anyway. “It’s just paperwork, it doesn’t matter,” she said. I declined.
She called another agent and said simply “He won’t sign the form.” I asked to speak to that agent to give them a more complete picture of the situation. She wouldn’t allow that.
this is exactly the kinda chit that i see lots of in the Govt. and it doesn't stop because too many peopl don't fight it, and more specifically, do not take the individuals who do this (under the umbrella of the bureacracy) to court and hold them personally accountable...
i have been embroiled in something even more ridiclous than this for several years now and no end is in site yet, and i do intend to finallise this situation i am in with people being personlly sued after the Govt pays... even if it takes ten more years.
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