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(CNN) -- A controversial law requiring adults applying for welfare assistance to undergo drug screening has gone into effect in Florida.
Saying it is "unfair for Florida taxpayers to subsidize drug addiction," Gov. Rick Scott signed the legislation in June.
"It's the right thing for taxpayers," Scott said after signing the measure. "It's the right thing for citizens of this state that need public assistance. We don't want to waste tax dollars. And also, we want to give people an incentive to not use drugs."
Under the law, which went into effect on Friday, the Florida Department of Children and Family Services will be required to conduct the drug tests on adults applying to the federal Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program.
The aid recipients would be responsible for the cost of the screening, which they would recoup in their assistance if they qualify.
Those who fail the required drug testing may designate another individual to receive the benefits on behalf of their children.
quote:Originally posted by glassman: Fla is now officially a police state.
I am still unaware how "they" determined that offering urine for samples is not a violation of the probable cause section of the 4th amendment.
there is no reason to assume a person is a drug user because they are applying for financial assistance.
we want to give people an incentive to not use drugs."
LOL. right, but if you are richa nd you abuse drugs? you can even commit felonies and get off scot free like limbugger did
limbugger and this are two different situations. I mean, rush has mad millions of dollars, has a radio gig, books, creates jobs, PHILANTHROPY. So it isnt all just popping pills and going to the welfare office.
Oprah Ranked Most Generous Celebrity (Rush Limbaugh #10)
10. Rush Limbaugh, $4.2 million. "Financial assistance to the children of Marines and law-enforcement officers killed in the line of duty."
Now, I wonder in Florida where I believe Rush resides, where do you think those law enforcement officers are getting killed? upscale development homes for the rich?
Now, if Rush was doing a lot of cocaine like Charlie Sheen he would be supporting the smuggling of drugs over the southern border. What is so twisted about sheen is the more drugs he does the more popular he is with certain people. How backwards is that?
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cash, you are just making excuses for felonius behaviour-
rush is above the law that's written for everybody else.
the real point is that the US Constitution cleary states that no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
face the facts, the "Right" who wrote this law don't give a chit what the US constitution says.
pretty soon? they'll pas a law saying you have to pee in cup to vote, i mean after all we cannot have people voting while they are buzzed now can we? cuz only a buzzed person would vote "liberal" ?
talk about slippery slopes? we dun slid half down this one already
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Voting is a right of citizenship and receiving any kind of welfare is a need, not a constitutional right.
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it would not surprise me to see this backfire anyway.
i beleive there's alot of mythology surrouinding the issuance of welfare. this may end up disproving the notions that welfare recipients are using much in the way of drugs.
i'm no expert on the people on welfare, but when i was repoing i found drugs in expensive cars all the time- not in cheapass buyherepayhere cars.. they couldn't afford them...
furtherrmore? i beleive that most welfare recipients are single mothers.... whereas most drug users tend to be the (absent) fathers of their children who are not the ones applying for the benefits, even if they do reap the benefits...
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here's where the "mindset" behind these laws is really at, a few random jaunts thru the blogosphere can be very revealing:
I also think that after a "lady" applies for welfare assistance with her first baby, she should be notified that in order to collect on a second baby, she will be required to have her tubes tied. We will be paying for her two children, but not her next eight children with different daddies.
And the sperm donors should be pursued relentlessly and made to pay for the support of their deposits.
Also, it is past time to cut off tax refunds to people which amount to more than they paid into the system, etc., "earned income credit."
the slope is very well greased and we really are halfway down..
why do i expcet to see the brownshirts marching at the parade this afternoon?
testing for medicaid and medicare is next... you WILL be assimilated
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But the controversy over the bill doesn’t end there. Many Floridians are saying that Rick Scott, a tea party backed conservative, also signed a bill earlier this year to drug test state workers every three months. And one company that will most likely benefit from all this drug testing going on in Florida is a company called Solantic, that already conducts drug tests on thousands of employees for employers. The company of several chain-like clinics was founded by Florida’s Governor, Rick Scott, who under pressure sold his share of it on April 29th. We don’t know the specifics of the private business deal, but late last year, Scott put the value of his majority share of the company at $62 million in a financial disclosure statement he had to submit to run for office.
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another shot across the bow, not only do the Florida Tparty peeps who wrote and passed this bill not know the US Constitution? They don't even seem to know that it was already found unConstitutional:
Florida is not the first state to pass such legislation. Michigan passed a similar law that the 6th Circuit Court of Appeals found unconstitutional in 2003 since it violated the U.S. Fourth Amendment, which protects citizens against unreasonable search.
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OK, sorry to fill this thread up all by myself but i just found out hat the most anybody can get under the TANF program is 300$ per month...
Food Stamps are not affected by this program... simply put? Rick Scott is stealing money from the TANF program for his old business buddies:
Federal law allows states to screen for drug use under the TANF program, which provides a maximum $300 a month cash assistance to needy families. The program, which replaced traditional welfare in the mid 1990s, has a 48-month lifetime cap on benefits.
pass the test and you get repaid? and BOTH parents get tested? so to get 300$ per onth two drug tests will be done at 100$ per?
sheesh... this is a joke and it ain't even funny...
oh and BTW? During debate about the law, critics pointed to a pilot testing program in Florida that was shut down in 2001 after it showed no significant difference in drug use between welfare recipients and the population at large.
remember the Taxpayers are the ones actually paying for this
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Why do people say at Best Buy, have to take drug tests to keep their jobs. However, to get free money from the government, people DONT want to have to take drug tests to get the money?
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quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: Why do people say at Best Buy, have to take drug tests to keep their jobs. However, to get free money from the government, people DONT want to have to take drug tests to get the money?
because at Best Buy it's a private employment contract. Best Buy isn't the Govnmnt.
Nascar and Baseball and Best Buy and the NFL have the right to require them as part of thier employment contract. The Govt does not. They cannot select certain employees for testing nd ignore others tho... If the CEO doesn't take the test? Then nobody else should have to either
we automatically assume that a person requesting foodstamps needs them to eat, therefore survive. Is the need for survival a reason ot suspect someone for drug abuse? If their boss fired them for drug use then it would be
The Govt has no reason to suspect them of being a druggie, therefore they cannot obtain search warrant, so they are in fact conducting a warrantless search.
Now if they had some reason to obtain warrant? Then they could obtain blood or hair or urine samples.
The same thing goes with standard (nonsecurity clearance type) Govt employment at the Fed or State level.
Unless they have reasonable cause? They cannot search you just cuz you work for the Govt.
If they did then every contractor and and every employee that they hire or sub contract work to should have to submit. At what point does the police state begin? I would argue we already live in one since we have the highest percapita number of people in jail in the world.
It's amazing to me how many people that say they beleive in the Constitution are ready to throw it it in the trash the minute their personal prejudices are affected....
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The solution is simple...we demand that ALL government employees (including the president and all members congress) be required to pass a drug test to keep their jobs...
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quote:Originally posted by buckstalker: The solution is simple...we demand that ALL government employees (including the president and all members congress) be required to pass a drug test to keep their jobs...
every single day! LOL...
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