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Bachmann Flubs History Again, Insists John Quincy Adams Was A Founding Father | Straight out of the gate in the 2012 presidential race, self-described “scholarly” candidate Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) has tripped over basic facts. Yesterday, she accidentally heralded a serial killer. Today, on ABC’s Good Morning America, she defended her “pants on fire” statement that the “Founding Fathers worked tirelessly to end slavery” (they didn’t) by insisting that John Quincy Adams was a Founding Father (he wasn’t). After host George Stephanopoulos pointed out that John Quincy Adams — the son of John Adams — did fight against slavery “decades later,” Bachmann stood by her historical interpretation. Watch it:
Steve Benen writes, “I hate to be a stickler for reality, but when the Declaration of Independence was signed, John Quincy Adams was a nine-year-old boy.”
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even more interesting? JQ Adama was often accused of exceeding of both his and the Governments (in general) Constitutional limitations with his nation building plans which were in fact very aggressive and would be called Socialist today
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I saw some clips of gaffes that Obama, Biden, et al made. Unbelievable. Double standard all over the place.
Go look for yourself! Go to youtube and put in "obama gaffes". His list TRUMPS bachmanns and yet the focus is on her.
No other person has received as much slander and smear as Sarah Palin. Now, they moved their slime factory to Michelle Bachmann. Do I think she should be President? Hmmm, not really. I wouldnt mind, but I wouldnt be all crazy to vote for her.
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quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: I saw some clips of gaffes that Obama, Biden, et al made. Unbelievable. Double standard all over the place.
Go look for yourself! Go to youtube and put in "obama gaffes". His list TRUMPS bachmanns and yet the focus is on her.
No other person has received as much slander and smear as Sarah Palin. Now, they moved their slime factory to Michelle Bachmann. Do I think she should be President? Hmmm, not really. I wouldnt mind, but I wouldnt be all crazy to vote for her.
actually Obma's Gaffes that i have seen and can find on youtube using obamas gaffes as searchword do not display a lack of intellect like Bachmans do...
Bachman's Gaffes are not simply mispeaking at all- they are lies- JQ Adams was not a founding father, and the Founders did in fact make Slavery a part of the Original Version of the US Constituion, It took a civil war to "fix that".
There Bachman is not simply mistating something like using the wrong soldiers name in terms of awarding the Medal of Honor (as Obama has done), she is in fact revising history. Saying high taxes hurt the economy is also a revisionist form of history because our greatest growth ever int heis country came at a time of the highest taxes as well.... China's economy should theoretically be decimated if that were true, and it is not...
Bachman is getting the attention she wants, and deserves.
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heres' a perfect example of one of Obma's most prominent gaffes, it's all over the Obama gaffes youtube:
"I had a uncle who was one of the, who was part of the first American troops to go into Auschwitz and liberate the concentration camps," Obama said, slowly and methodically. "And the story in my family is that when he came home, he just went into the attic, and he didn't leave the house for six months. Alright? Now, obviously something had affected him deeply, but at the time, there just weren't the kinds of facilities to help somebody work through that kind of pain."
That may be a fact, the RNC noted gleefully -- but only if Obama's uncle served in the Red Army of Joseph Stalin, which liberated Auschwitz Jan. 27, 1945.
the RNC was all over him for it; the "thing" is?
His uncles wasn't at Auschwitz, he was at Buchenwald... SSDD- it's not mythological at all it's simply the wrong camp.
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i distinctly recall the GOP using terms like "Patriotic" to describe the increasing of the debt levels back when they were in power...
they said things like if you don'ty raise the debt you are not supporting the troops, and i do remeber Obama voting against raising the debt then, my how the lies get shared huh?
fact is? our debt went outa control because we enetered a couple of wars and lowered taxes at the same time..
if bachman were to get elected and keep a GOP House majority and then do what she says she wants to do? we willbe in a full-blown Depression within 6 months.
check out the attitudes in this article from '06:
Senate Republicans Face Vote for National Debt Increase
Thursday, March 02, 2006
WASHINGTON — Republicans in the Senate face a difficult but necessary vote in coming weeks to allow the Treasury to pad the $8.2 trillion national debt by another $781 billion.
The need to increase the legal limit on the debt has Democrats eager to use the debate to blast President Bush and his GOP allies in Congress for their fiscal stewardship.
"During this administration, America's debt, that is, the total of the deficits has increased by $3 trillion," said Sen. Max Baucus of Montana, top Democrat on the Finance Committee. "That's a 40 percent increase in the entire federal debt accrued by our country in its entire history."
Treasury officials briefed Senate staff aides Thursday and told them that without an increase in the government's ability to borrow, it would default on obligations for the first time in history sometime during the week of March 20. That is an unthinkable prospect that would roil financial markets and damage the government's credit rating.
Although Democrats recognize the need to avoid a default, they aren't likely to provide any votes to increase the borrowing limit. They are not responsible for the fiscal policies that produced it, Democrats argue, especially Bush's landmark $1.4 trillion 2001 tax cut bill.
"Every year that passes it becomes more and more apparent what a bankrupt strategy this is," said Sen. Kent Conrad of North Dakota, top Democrat on the Budget Committee.
Traditionally, when one party controls Congress and the White House, it falls to its members to muster the votes to pass debt limit increases.
"It's a vehicle for press releases but at the end of the day everybody knows you've got to do it," said Senate Budget Committee Chairman Judd Gregg, R-N.H. "The only other option is to shut the government down, and nobody who's a responsible policy person is going to do that."
Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., has yet to schedule debate on the bill. But if he follows past practice, he'll bring up the bill just before Congress leaves Washington on March 17 for a weeklong recess — when lawmakers are itching to go home and therefore tend to keep their pontificating to a minimum.
"It's a vehicle for press releases but at the end of the day everybody knows you've got to do it," said Senate Budget Committee Chairman Judd Gregg, R-N.H. "The only other option is to shut the government down, and nobody who's a responsible policy person is going to do that."
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quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: I saw some clips of gaffes that Obama, Biden, et al made. Unbelievable. Double standard all over the place.
Go look for yourself! Go to youtube and put in "obama gaffes". His list TRUMPS bachmanns and yet the focus is on her.
No other person has received as much slander and smear as Sarah Palin. Now, they moved their slime factory to Michelle Bachmann. Do I think she should be President? Hmmm, not really. I wouldnt mind, but I wouldnt be all crazy to vote for her.
actually Obma's Gaffes that i have seen and can find on youtube using obamas gaffes as searchword do not display a lack of intellect like Bachmans do...
Bachman's Gaffes are not simply mispeaking at all- they are lies- JQ Adams was not a founding father, and the Founders did in fact make Slavery a part of the Original Version of the US Constituion, It took a civil war to "fix that".
There Bachman is not simply mistating something like using the wrong soldiers name in terms of awarding the Medal of Honor (as Obama has done), she is in fact revising history. Saying high taxes hurt the economy is also a revisionist form of history because our greatest growth ever int heis country came at a time of the highest taxes as well.... China's economy should theoretically be decimated if that were true, and it is not...
Bachman is getting the attention she wants, and deserves.
I see what you are saying, but these people are like hawks on her. They may say stupid things from time to time, but I have seen it plenty...especially in BIDEN. I bet I could manipulate sound clips to make them say what I wanted too.
How about Obama joking and laughing about shovel ready projects at an interview? You know, the crap they said about all these shovel ready projects they just needed to spend a ton of money on...which, I criticized here many times and of course everyone else was drinking the koolaid (obamanomics flavor).
Now they are admitting they really didnt have a clue! What if, say bachmann did that? The entire media would be all over it like you wouldnt believe. It would be on maddow, ed show, odonell, etc.
"Mr. Obama is acknowledging that, despite his campaign promises, "there's no such thing as shovel-ready projects."
The president gave that remark in an hour-long interview with the New York Times."
“I think we can get a lot of work done fast,” Mr. Obama, then the president-elect, said in December 2008, after meeting with governors. “All of them have projects that are shovel ready, that are going to require us to get the money out the door.”
Tax and spend liberal democrat. There is nothing more to it you know. I think you all would agree Obama is a liberal. Its on the record as him being the most liberal senator of his time. His real colors are starting to show now and people arent buying the juice like they did! A far left liberal leading a moderate leaning right nation? Wont last long.
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she wants to be Commander in Cheif, it's not going to be gtting any easier for her and whining about it isn't going to fix it, Obama beat Hillary and that was not easy- her hubbie had the power base in his pocket, Obama didnot get a free ride until teh general election, at which theitme the election was already over becuase Bush and the GOP had already ruined their own good names.
Its on the record as him being the most liberal senator of his time.
LOL, it's on whose record? for crying out loud cash this is why the GOP is dead, they push out these slogans and people just accept them as true... Obama was not the most liberal senator of his time just a big target for the politicos.
fact is? Obama abstained from most votes for the very reason that he wanted to be able to Govern from the middle which is what a President does. His own base is pretty pissed at him right now- esp on gay issues. But they will still vote for him if given a conservative to choose against, the real "trick" is to win the middle which you have agreed with before...
i just showed you how the gOP was increasing the debt and calling it patriotic, now? It's not Patriotic anymore? LOL.. whne are you going to stop falling itno the partyline BS and think for yourself? Both parties are prety much the same and most of their bickering is a scam...
what did Bush actually do for "Family values" when he owned the whole Govt? nothing! cuz he wanted to get re-elected.....
I will not vote for Obama if the GOP puts up somebody that is willing to tell the truth and actually say we are going to raise taxes as little as possible to pay this debt, with the full intention of limiting spending and gettting rid of all the waste fraud and abuse.
Do you know how dangerous it is to your career to be a whistle blower int he Govt? These guys who come out and tell the truth drop like flies.... that's got to be fixed.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: these people are like hawks on her.
she wants to be Commander in Cheif, it's not going to be gtting any easier for her and whining about it isn't going to fix it, Obama beat Hillary and that was not easy- her hubbie had the power base in his pocket, Obama didnot get a free ride until teh general election, at which theitme the election was already over becuase Bush and the GOP had already ruined their own good names.
Its on the record as him being the most liberal senator of his time.
LOL, it's on whose record? for crying out loud cash this is why the GOP is dead, they push out these slogans and people just accept them as true... Obama was not the most liberal senator of his time just a big target for the politicos.
fact is? Obama abstained from most votes for the very reason that he wanted to be able to Govern from the middle which is what a President does. His own base is pretty pissed at him right now- esp on gay issues. But they will still vote for him if given a conservative to choose against, the real "trick" is to win the middle which you have agreed with before...
i just showed you how the gOP was increasing the debt and calling it patriotic, now? It's not Patriotic anymore? LOL.. whne are you going to stop falling itno the partyline BS and think for yourself? Both parties are prety much the same and most of their bickering is a scam...
what did Bush actually do for "Family values" when he owned the whole Govt? nothing! cuz he wanted to get re-elected.....
I will not vote for Obama if the GOP puts up somebody that is willing to tell the truth and actually say we are going to raise taxes as little as possible to pay this debt, with the full intention of limiting spending and gettting rid of all the waste fraud and abuse.
Do you know how dangerous it is to your career to be a whistle blower int he Govt? These guys who come out and tell the truth drop like flies.... that's got to be fixed.
You do realize you are just pizzing on a duck's back with arguing actual facts against CCM's misconceptions right?
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Bachman has taken over 250,000 in farm subsidies....
her hubbie's "mental health" clinic over 150 grand in medicare/medicaid and grant payments....
apparently her husbands clininc is fiath based counseling center, and not really a medical clinic
The clinic, based in Lake Elmo, Minn., describes itself on its website as offering “quality Christian counseling” for a large number of mental health problems ranging from “anger management” to addictions and eating disorders.
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Well glass looks like she knows how to play the game like everyone else. she will fit right in even with the democrats.
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Bachmann cites wrong John Wayne, praises notorious serial killer | Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) has a thing for John Wayne. In an interview yesterday with Newsmax, she said she wants to live in “John Wayne’s America.” And in the Iowa town of Waterloo today, where she announced her presidential candidacy, Bachmann told Fox News, “John Wayne was from Waterloo, Iowa. That’s the kind of spirit that I have, too.” But unfortunately for historically challenged Bachmann, as the Washington Times points out, the John Wayne from Waterloo is John Wayne Gacy, the notorious serial killer who murdered 33 teenage boys and young men, not the iconic Western actor
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cash, i beleive Michelle is one factor worse than the Dubya.
Romney seems to be levelheaded but his religion is not accepted by the Evangels. Same with this new guy Huntsman, he even sounds reasonable to me so far... but Michelle is a ranter, and will chase off the middle vote...
seriously? if she becomes the GOP candidate? Obama will get a sceond term. I would even be willing to bet that her as Veep on the GOP ticket would insure an Obama win. It's a shame that we do not have any women candidates on the horizon that are competent. The country is due to hire one for Prez, but she ain't it....
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Bachmann’s Husband Calls Homosexuals ‘Barbarians’ Who ‘Need To Be Educated’ And ‘Disciplined’
By Guest Blogger on Jun 29, 2011 at 4:18 pm
When trying to figure out where presidential candidate Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) gets her stringent, anti-gay views, you only have to look as far as her husband. Dr. Marcus Bachmann, who has described himself as his wife’s “strategist,” runs a Christian-based counseling center in Minnesota that has been rumored to offer reparative treatment for those looking to “ungay” themselves.
Just last summer, Dr. Bachmann explained his position on homosexuality while offering theoretical advice to parents concerned that one of their children was gay.
BACHMANN: We have to understand: barbarians need to be educated. They need to be disciplined. Just because someone feels it or thinks it doesn’t mean that we are supposed to go down that road. That’s what is called the sinful nature. We have a responsibility as parents and as authority figures not to encourage such thoughts and feelings from moving into the action steps…
And let’s face it: what is our culture, what is our public education system doing today? They are giving full, wide-open doors to children, not only giving encouragement to think it but to encourage action steps. That’s why when we understand what truly is the percentage of homosexuals in this country, it is small. But by these open doors, I can see and we are experiencing, that it is starting to increase. Along with offering faith-based counseling at his clinic, Bachmann also gives presentations at various conferences. In November 2005, he and Rep. Bachmann both ran sessions at a “Minnesota Pastors’ Summit” in Eden Prairie, Minnesota: hers focused on the gay marriage amendment she was trying to push through the state legislature, and his was titled “The Truth About the Homosexual Agenda.”
One of the people present for Dr. Bachmann’s talk almost had to leave the room because “there was so much bile.” Curt Prins, a marketing executive who identifies as gay, reported that Bachmann believed homosexuality was a “choice” rather than due to genetics:
The climax of the presentation was when, according to Prins, Bachmann brought up “three ex-gays, like part of a PowerPoint presentation.” The trio, two white men and a black woman, all testified that they had renounced their homosexuality. “One of them said, ‘If I was born gay, then I’ll have to be born again,’” Prins recalls. “The crowd went crazy.”
After seeing her husband’s virulent remarks, it’s no surprise then that Michele Bachmann has fiercely disparaged the gay community and has announced she’s in favor of an anti-gay marriage amendment on the campaign trail. What’s the most terrifying isn’t what Dr. Bachmann said, but the threat that the United States could elect a president who believes that homosexuality can be disciplined out of someone.
–Sarah Bufkin
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: cash, i beleive Michelle is one factor worse than the Dubya.
Romney seems to be levelheaded but his religion is not accepted by the Evangels. Same with this new guy Huntsman, he even sounds reasonable to me so far... but Michelle is a ranter, and will chase off the middle vote...
seriously? if she becomes the GOP candidate? Obama will get a sceond term. I would even be willing to bet that her as Veep on the GOP ticket would insure an Obama win. It's a shame that we do not have any women candidates on the horizon that are competent. The country is due to hire one for Prez, but she ain't it....
Oh I dont see her getting it. We have plenty of time for the early on candidates to get weeded out and make room for the newer stronger ones.
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Bachmann’s Parable For The Poor: Have Faith In God And You Won’t Need Welfare
By Marie Diamond on Jul 7, 2011 at 5:10 pm
ThinkProgress filed this report from a town hall in Rock Hill, South Carolina.
Bachmannia descended upon South Carolina last week as GOP presidential candidate Michele Bachmann stomped for votes at events across the state. Wearing a yellow dress to honor the yellow Tea Party flag, Bachmann roused a rally of supporters in Greenville on Wednesday before heading to Rock Hill for a town hall event at Winthrop University. Bachmann answered many audience questions with personal anecdotes from her past. When one woman asked her how we can “move people from dependence to independence” in this country, Bachmann responded by recounting how her own family made it through tough times when she was young by relying on God and forsaking government assistance:
BACHMANN: We went from middle class to overnight below poverty. And my mother had to leave the home and get a job…and I had to go out and get babysitting jobs…to help out. … We did not go on dependency programs. And I don’t begrudge anyone who does when I say that, but we didn’t do that. We had our faith in God, we depended on our neighbors, we depended on ourselves, and we just did without. We made do, we did without. [...] And we were just grateful for what we had. We knew that one day things would be better than they were. And God was faithful, and they were better. The recession has raised the poverty rate to a 15 year high, with the total number of Americans in poverty reaching 44 million, or one in seven residents. According to the New York Times, “Millions more were surviving only because of expanded unemployment insurance and other assistance.” But Bachmann suggests these families could simply “go without” (nevermind that many families are already living hand-to-mouth). Her best advice is to “be grateful” and “be faithful to God.” This seems like an inadequate solution to greatest poverty crisis in a generation.
Although Bachmann was careful to say she didn’t begrudge those who are on government aid, she clearly looked down upon those who, as she put it, “are in a mindset of dependency.” At one point she said, “We can’t deal with” those people. Also insulting is her suggestion that people living in poverty don’t want to take advantage of “opportunity” and need to be lectured to get off “dependency programs.”
Bachmann is now a millionaire, according to financial disclosures. It’s disappointing that someone who claims to have experienced poverty has such a bad track record of voting to deprive the truly needy of aid and redistributing wealth upward.
A constant critic of welfare programs, Medicaid, and Medicare, Bachmann herself has come under scrutiny recently for personally taking hundreds of thousands of dollars in government aid and Medicaid funds for her family farm and counseling clinic.
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Bachmann: ‘I Hope’ Higher Unemployment Will Help My Campaign | Appearing on CNBC this morning, presidential candidate Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) was asked about this morning’s dismal jobs report and whether higher unemployment rates might help her chances of winning in 2012. “Does it strike you that as the unemployment rate goes up, your chances of winning office also go up?” host Carl Quintanilla asked. “Well, that could be. Again, I hope so,” Bachmann replied. While it’s of course acceptable for Bachmann to campaign on wanting to turn the economy around, it’s another matter entirely when she actively pursues policies that make the economy worse — while hoping it will help her campaign.
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Another Bachmann History Flub: The American People Are Worried About ‘The Rise Of The Soviet Union’
By Marie Diamond on Aug 18, 2011 at 4:50 pm
Of all the candidates vying for the GOP presidential nomination, Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) perhaps has the most colorful record of flubbing historical facts. Just this week, she wished Elvis Presley a happy birthday…on the day he died. But today, on the right-wing Christian attorney Jay Sekulow’s radio show, the congresswoman evinced a far more disturbing lack of basic knowledge about world history. Specifically, Bachmann said the American people are worried about “the rise of the Soviet Union.”
Apparently no one’s told her that America’s one-time Cold War nemesis has not existed for 20 years:
BACHMANN: What people recognize is that there’s a fear that the United States is in an unstoppable decline. They see the rise of China, the rise of India, the rise of the Soviet Union and our loss militarily going forward. And especially with this very bad debt ceiling bill, what we have done is given a favor to President Obama and the first thing he’ll whack is five hundred billion out of the military defense at a time when we’re fighting three wars. People recognize that.
In December 1991, the Soviet Union disintegrated into 15 separate countries. It’s hard to believe Bachmann that the American people live in continued terror of an “evil empire” that no longer exists
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