Well since some "friend" posted it on a blog...chit...it must be true! Good job Cowpatty!
LMAO!
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Hey Pagan, it seems like its pretty much clear as day now....and your wishes of this being linked to Fox News are not going to come true. Good grief, Fox News could report on a blizzard in New York, and just because its Fox News you wouldnt believe it was snowing. I bet this is REALLY eating up MSNBC right now, they probably have no idea what to do that in fact this guy is more of a MSNBC viewer than anything.
Sad that you can not admit when you are wrong. I have been right about this story from the get go, and its like people are just dying trying to link this to the Tea Party....and when it comes to light that he had nothing to do with the tea PArty and in fact DISLIKED Republicans.....you still cant put 2 and 2 together.
It must really...I mean really....bother you that he is labeled as a "left wing pothead". I am sitting over here laughing knowing how this goes against everything you talk about and try to label.
I am getting so sick of people blaming Fox News for individuals actions.
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It must really...I mean really....bother you that he is labeled as a "left wing pothead". I am sitting over here laughing knowing how this goes against everything you talk about and try to label.
I am getting so sick of people blaming Fox News for individuals actions.
sad to say cash, that you just don't get it do you?
the folks over at FOX are the ones that are spending so much energy saying much the same thing you are.
it's ok we don't really expect you to get it anymore, we have all pretty much figured out that you refuse to.
i already toldja that i was baiting you and you bit hard, like pike on a big fat wooden Creek Chub, one of my all time favorite lures, the only thing i like better is the jointed Rapala...
the reason you bit is cuz a tiny shred of common sense is still in you...
i knew absolutyely nothing about the guy when i made that "bet". Go back and reread, it says bet and it was ridiculous. But not unreasoable, as to anyone characterizing this guy as a left wing pot head? They are just ascrazy as this guy, he represents none of the left wing archetypes. NOT ONE!
people are posting all kinds of made up chit about him... on e post says he was fan of Ayn Rand too. and Ayn Rand is like a Goddess to the ultra-right and the joke is on them cuz she wasa also an ultra-feminist.
the whole notion of left wing and right wing is propaganda to make people swallow the political bait, and you do every time.
FOX and limbugger have ruined the GOP and lost the middle. The last election was not even won by the GOP as they claim, it was lost by the Dems, but the GOP did not win the Senate like they did in the 90's that is also a LOSS, and it's due to TParty insanity.
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I know what you are thinking glass and I agree, I wont even get all into it. Its people like pagan running around crying about fox and trying to link every negative event to them.
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I dont watch him...not much common sense on that show.
I did find this interesting though:
A high school friend of Loughner, Caitie Parker, has given a detailed account of his personality and background on her Twitter page over the past few days. According to Parker, Loughner had "a lot of friends until he got alcohol poisoning in ‘06" and dropped out of high school.
She described him as "left wing" and "quite liberal" and "oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy." Parker described him as a "pot head" who was into rock music, though she hadn't seen him since 2007.
Being a pothead and listening to rock music is actually pretty harmless though lol. I mean cmon...
I wonder if he liked Zeppelin.
So he is a left wing/liberal radical who I am sure HATED Fox News, and we have people saying its Sarah Palin's fault as if he was some devoted follower and was a zombie who used that map with targets to do what he did. Give me a break! Eat Crow libs!
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There is no doubt about it the shooter was conservative, from the little bit that has been released about him.
Yes hate radio on the right is going to be held accountable in the future for what they say. Freedom of speach yes we can all say what we want to and as the old saying goes you can even yell fire in a crowded theater but your are responsible for the outcome of your words. As far as Palin goes puting cross hairs on people and saying things like I went hunting and bagged my legal limit of democrats is border line encitement and people have been convicted for less. Now that a dim wit has follwed out and put into action the words of palin and the rest of the right they are pointing the finger at evey body eles in other words they are following the same path as any other common criminal would.
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Jared Loughner and the liberal blame game By 12thMonkey on January 10, 2011
Right now, there’s a a full-blown feeding frenzy over the tragedy of the Loughner shooting in Tuscon.
It seems like every liberal who’s had any pent-up frustration over Fox News, Palin, Beck, Limbaugh and the Tea Party is somehow, through the most tortured logic possible, finding a way to vent their anger by pinning blame for this event on the doorsteps of any and all of the above.
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Gee, that describes some of you guys here lol
If you’ve got the time and a desire to Google a little, you’ll find much, much more. The essence of the debate is this: The Tea Baggers are crazy, and so are Beck and Limbaugh. All their anger is inciting their insane followers to pick up guns and begin killing. And Palin? She’s been photographed… OMG… with a gun!!!!! Clearly it’s her fault too.
So who’s responsible for the shooting? Beck? Palin? Limbaugh? The Tea Baggers?
Hey, how about this whackjob?
The left never, ever wants to blame the person responsible for horrific actions. It’s always someone else, something else. The gun laws. Talk Radio. Racism.
Jared Loughner pulled the trigger in Arizona. No one else. Whether he was driven by evil, some chemical imbalance in the brain, demonic possession or alien implants, his hand was on the gun or guns doing the shooting. Can we at least get that out of the way? Palin was not involved. No one from Fox News was seen firing shots. Beck did not reload. This falls squarely on Jared Loughner’s shoulders, and no one else’s.
So Ray, shut up. You AND Pagan.
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but htey do spend all day fomenitng hate against the Govt and Govt officials cash. Fox has it on non-stop ever since the Dems won the white house... there is absolutley no denying that. Do they encourage people to take up arms? not often, but i have heard the word Revolution used many times,this is not that uncommon if you actually listen...:
Asked by the host, Lars Larson of Portland, Oregon, where she stands on Second Amendment issues, Angle replied:
You know, our Founding Fathers, they put that Second Amendment in there for a good reason and that was for the people to protect themselves against a tyrannical government. And in fact Thomas Jefferson said it's good for a country to have a revolution every 20 years.
I hope that's not where we're going, but, you know, if this Congress keeps going the way it is, people are really looking toward those Second Amendment remedies and saying my goodness what can we do to turn this country around? I'll tell you the first thing we need to do is take Harry Reid out.
Larson says Angle was floating the possibility of armed insurrection if Congress keeps it up under Reid et al.
furthermore? it was only few day ago that you linked to Breitbart and i found a post there saying that the guy would like to "wipe the smile off of Obama's face" and quite frankly? this is what i interpreted that statement to mean as any reasonable person would..
of course it is legal to critisize the president, but wiping the smile offa his face suggests taking action...
the political climate in this country is vicious, and i see the vicousness coming primarily from so-called Conservatives and esp. "Neo-Cons"
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So glass, while we watch what one hand is going (the right) are you forgetting about what the other hand is doing? (the left). Straight from the FBI website:
Animal rights and environmental extremism pose a significant domestic terror threat. To date, extremists have been responsible for more than 1,800 criminal acts and more than $110 million in damages. Currently, we are investigating approximately 170 such extremist incidents across the country.
San Diego, known to be involved with a group called SHAC—Stop Huntingdon Animal Cruelty—is wanted for his alleged involvement in bombing two biotech facilities that did business with Huntingdon Life Sciences, a company that conducts animal experimentation for the medical and pharmaceutical industries.
The first bombing occurred on August 28, 2003, outside Chiron Life Science Center in Emeryville, California. When authorities responded, a second bomb was discovered, but exploded before it could be disarmed, raising the possibility that the device was planted specifically to target first responders.
Less than a month later, another bomb exploded outside a company based in Pleasanton, California. That bomb was made with metal nails to create more powerful shrapnel and destruction.
After each crime, claims of responsibility were posted on the Internet demanding that the businesses end their affiliation with Huntingdon Life Sciences. Future violence was threatened if these demands were not met. Fortunately, no one died in the explosions, but property damage was extensive.
San Diego was initially identified as a suspect after being stopped by a local police officer for a minor traffic violation in Pleasanton about an hour before the Pleasanton bombing. A subsequent search of his home and vehicle revealed bomb-making materials similar to those used in both attacks, and he was later indicted for the crimes.
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Hey that sounds pretty cool, is your wife smarter than you? Not trying to be funny, but some men cant admit it!
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she can remeber long strings of numbers after looking at them once, i can't even if i try... but she cannot go back to anyplace she's ever been and not be lost like i can...
it's all about finding your talents and using them..
she kills a lot of bugs, and i mean alot...
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Cash you are an idiot no more need to be said . This is just a can of worms that was waiting to come out and it did.
Nothing will be the same after this'
Palin has already removed her cross hair map from her site said she never ment to say to shoot anybody or infer and has dropped out of site for a while what a criminal.
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The GOP has relied on the phrase “job killing” to frame the repeal effort as an economic endeavor that will help create American jobs and sustain the economy, but conservatives probably didn’t give much thought to the implications of the word “killing,” having relied on the rhetoric of ‘life and death’ so frequently throughout the health care reform debate. In fact, if it wasn’t for Saturday’s shooting, few people would have seriously considered the real meaning of the GOP’s words. In the aftermath of “death panels,” suggestions that the law may “cost you your life“, kill more people, and abort babies, the Republicans have downright numbed us all to their frequent use of death imagery as a tool to ferment political opposition. A quick look through the past 18 months or so reveals a stunning array of messages warning Americans that the Democrats’ signature legislation would lead to death.
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you know what the very first thought that crossed my mind was? I though it was someone that had been refused a transplant or a family member of someone who had..
Tha was because when i first heard it? they seemed to me to be saying (on Fox) that it was State Congressperson not a US Congressperson who was shot...
it took a couple minutes of careful listening to figure out for sure it was a US Congressmember.
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quote:Originally posted by raybond: Cash you are an idiot no more need to be said . This is just a can of worms that was waiting to come out and it did.
Nothing will be the same after this'
Palin has already removed her cross hair map from her site said she never ment to say to shoot anybody or infer and has dropped out of site for a while what a criminal.
What she had up was not right I agree with you on that. It wasnt illegal, but it just wasnt professional. She could have gotten the point across just the same by using arrows or circles.
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quote:Originally posted by raybond: Cash you are an idiot no more need to be said . This is just a can of worms that was waiting to come out and it did.
Nothing will be the same after this'
Palin has already removed her cross hair map from her site said she never ment to say to shoot anybody or infer and has dropped out of site for a while what a criminal.
What she had up was not right I agree with you on that. It wasnt illegal, but it just wasnt professional. She could have gotten the point across just the same by using arrows or circles.
good response.
lol, her office's "response" was something to the effect that the graphic they intended was the surveyor's scope.
That, despite the message to O'Donnell to "don't retreat--RELOAD"
quote:Originally posted by Lockman: Bottom Line is this incident will be used by those in power to Limit our civil liberties.
Big Brother will be fed and we will all lose.
only if We, The People ask them to. After 9-11 the GOP's were asked to do so, and the fact that they jumped on the chance is one of the biggest reasons i walked away...
The terrorists were trying to invoke the very reponses that we made. The costs were borrowed, and now we find ourselves in financial distress and attitudes getting even worse.....
The madness must stop.
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There is only one person to blame.....the azzhole that did the shooting.
The idea that the right or the left had something to do with it is nothing more than people projecting their on desires to see the group that they hate held responsible in some way.
This event could have happened at any point in history and similar events have happened throughout history. 5 years ago it would have violent video games..... 10 years ago the reason would have been that he did not get enough hugs from his parents.....15 years ago it would have been violence coming out of Hollywood......25 years ago, Rock'n Roll.......40 - 50 years ago the mention of him smoking pot would have been enough to satisfy the public and explain his actions.
Why do we look for logic and reason in the mind of a lunatic?
Give him his due process, execute him, and lets keep moving.
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there is only one person to blame, but the fact that the target was a Democrat Representative cannot be ignored either. i have no doubt that if it had been a GOP? the pundits would be looking up liberal sayings to point out.....
how long has it been since the guy walked into the school district meeting and missed everybody he shot at? two weeks? less?
that's prolly about how long it will be befor the next one...
the madness is everywhere, and it is "catching"- epidemiologists look at what they vall vectors to determine the flow of a disease... this disease happens to be mental, but it is communicable.
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i still remeber the '04 natiaonl campaign quite clearly.
The GOP went to (of all places) NYC which is known to have an unfavorable climate for GOP's. They held their convention there to make one single point. They were the "security" party, that was what they campaigned on and soccer moms bought it hook line and sinker.... They also ordered anybody that protested to be arrested adn put in jail and habeus corpus was technically suspended in NYC for the duration of the convention. people were let go without charges after the convention was over, and some people want to complain that it isn't fair to blame the talking heads for this poltical climate? I watched Fox news back then call protesters unAmerican and Stupid and unable to see which party was making them safe...You cannot have it both ways folks. Unless you arepolitican, then you want it both ways and in your favor. The fact is that every politician knows they put their life in danger no matter how good or bad they are. When my parents were in politics? I remeber being told to lay on the floor of our car and not look and be able to tell where i was (i could for the most part).... Elementary school game? Not hardly. Of course i understood why i was being taught this skill, but i was not supposed to talk about it, esp. since i was the oldest of a whole slew of brats. Special reorders on the telephone? Yes, even in the 60's.... None of this is really even new, and that was my wife's first reaction, this is the 60's all over again... I was only a mile away when Wallace was shot, and i was at a similar political event.
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quote:Originally posted by Lockman: Bottom Line is this incident will be used by those in power to Limit our civil liberties.
Big Brother will be fed and we will all lose.
I think what this incident showed, was the real side of liberal politics....just nasty, ugly, and foul. Yeah, conservatives have their own problems, we all know that. Look how quickly though they rushed to blame Sarah Palin...not because they had facts, but because they hate her so much they find any excuse to rail on her and her family. Using a horrible tragedy to intimidate and silence opponents is such a perverse tactic used by the left...makes me sick. At the same time the liberals try to present themselves as "smarter than everyone else" and sooo "progressive".
They turned a tragedy into a political circus, and so did that Democrat Sheriff down there who jumped to conlcusions and not only was out of line for his job and duty but dead wrong on his personal assessment.
Now, the constitution is going to get trampled on in the name of security.
DID I CALL IT OR WHAT!
Rep Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.) gun control advocate, reportedly plans to introduce a bill on Monday
New York Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, whose husband was killed in a mass shooting on the Long Island Railroad in 1993, says she will introduce legislation banning the kind of high capacity ammunition clips like the one used in Saturday's deadly shooting in Tucson:
I knew this was going to happen, and this woman started the trend. The focus is in the wrong area, but somehow democrat representatives just cant stop introducing anti gun laws. Nevermind there are thousands of other ways to cause havoc, just keep blaming guns and Republicans and somehow we can just wish away all that is bad. Which one of you...oh yes it was Pagan who said I was FOS when I posted the other day that new gun control was going to come from the left out of this. sheesh.
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I totally agree that if it had been a repub the we would have similar allegations coming from the other side......but that doesn't justify the argument.
I am definately not an expert such things but running through it real quickly in mind, it seems that there are perhaps 3 things that could share culpability.
1)Free speech. If one believes commentary played a role. Well, we ain't giving that up.
2)ubertechnology. People in general are just way to "plugged in." I myself have to take a break from CNN, Fox, NPR, and even this message board. If you can't pull back from time to time it really can burn you up. It is not just news though......people are living their entire lives on line these days.....sad. It would be interesting to see study results that showed the amount of information consumed by the average person on a daily basis; starting today and going back in 5 year increments for 100 years. I would imagine the pace would be astounding. I bet it would look a lot like Al Gore's CO2 graph (exponential curve). Its a wonder that half of the population hasn't "snapped." To be honest, I am not sure that we haven't all snapped in some ways.
3)mental illness. I think that mental illness coupled with exposure to number 1 and enabled by number 2 is deadly.
I may be wrong. I'm just spitballing, but if I were on the right path, what do we do about it?
Nobody is giving up free speech. Nobody is giving up the tech that allows everyone to be overloaded by the world.....and the mentally ill may not posess the limit switch that would cause a stable person to relax, unplug for a bit, and take a break.
Okay, I got to get back to work.....I am being a bad employee and there people in China that want my job!
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I wonder what the ACLU liberals are going to say about giving this guy the death penalty? I mean...a left wing nut job, killing a Democrat congresswoman and others....what should we do?
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quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: I wonder what the ACLU liberals are going to say about giving this guy the death penalty? I mean...a left wing nut job, killing a Democrat congresswoman and others....what should we do?
Are you really still clinging to the hope that he was a left winger?
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So again Pagan, a weather forecaster on Fox News could say NYC is about to get hit with a blizzard, and just because its Fox News you would not believe it. There is no HOPE that he is a left winger...he IS a left winger. I had no idea denial was such a big issue for you Pagan, I mean I knew there was SOME element of it, but its clear as day here.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: was the real side of liberal politics....just nasty, ugly, and foul.
you just see what you want to see.
in '04 it was Bush and Cheney that used 9-11 to get re-elected. that was --- how you say? the real side of conservative politics?
that WAS WHEN I TURNED MY BACK on the conservatives
No Glass, I dont just see what I want to see. It is because of things like that in 04 that I did not vote for Bush in the re-election. I voted for him in the first election, not in the second, and voted Independent in this latest election. So if I was that big of a sheeple I would have voted for McCain/Palin and Bush on his second term.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: was the real side of liberal politics....just nasty, ugly, and foul.
you just see what you want to see.
in '04 it was Bush and Cheney that used 9-11 to get re-elected. that was --- how you say? the real side of conservative politics?
that WAS WHEN I TURNED MY BACK on the conservatives
No Glass, I dont just see what I want to see. It is because of things like that in 04 that I did not vote for Bush in the re-election. I voted for him in the first election, not in the second, and voted Independent in this latest election. So if I was that big of a sheeple I would have voted for McCain/Palin and Bush on his second term.
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