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I read the statement below the other day, i found it rather interesting.
Guess it is one way to take the burden off the VA, but i am not sure it is the best way.
It did not set very good with veterans groups.
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"FOLLOWING IS OBAMA'S RESPONSE WHEN HE WAS CALLED FOR HIS DECISION ON WOUNDED VETERANS MILITARY PAY FOR THEIR WAR INJURIES
Obama's decree that would force veterans' to pay the medical bills for their combat bad press, including mockery by comedian Jon Stewart. Obama's proclamation would have required veterans' to pay the estimated $540 million annual cost for the treatment of injuries incurred during their tours on active duty.
The President admitted that he was puzzled by the magnitude of the opposition to his proposal. "Look, it's an all volunteer force," Obama complained. "Nobody made these guys go to war. They had to have known and accepted the risks. Now they whine about bearing the costs of their choice? It just doesn't compute."
"I thought these were people who were proud to sacrifice for their country," Obama continued. "I wasn't asking for blood-just money. With the country facing the worst financial crisis in its history, I'd have thought that the patriotic thing to do would be to try to help reduce the nation's deficit.. I guess I underestimated the selfishness of some of my fellow Americans."
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What a jerk, I cant believe people blindly follow obama like sheep.
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lol, he also said the new health care law requires chips to be inserted in your hand to monitor tax dollars spent.
haha just kidding, this is fun though.
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quote:Originally posted by IWISHIHAD: Originally Posted By Tex:
"what's funny about this smear campaign? Do you inform your friends when these lies and half-truths are proven wrong?"
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I thought all politics these days were about smear campaigns and half truths.
Isn't that how they get into office and stay?
Should Veterans pay for their own health insurance as proposed by Obama, would it really help the economy in the longer run?
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You do realize Obama didn't actually say that, right?
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Not sure what any of these politicians say or don't say these days and what is buried.
I can find half truths or lies in any of these politicians daily verse, that's the sad part.
Just take a look and the campaigns for the upcoming elections, oh that's right it's their campaign commitee's that are saying things, not the candidates themselves.
quote:Originally posted by IWISHIHAD: Didn't say what?
Not sure what any of these politicians say or don't say these days and what is buried.
I can find half truths or lies in any of these politicians daily verse, that's the sad part.
Just take a look and the campaigns for the upcoming elections, oh that's right it's their campaign commitee's that are saying things, not the candidates themselves.
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It's not just Fox news that posted this proposal by Obama.
But beyond just being a little pissed at the time of reading this, as i have been with him leaving our troops in Iraq longer than they should have been.
And him reinserting them into that other country in harms way ...again.
But beyond this i started thinking of the actual proposal and whether it would really make a differance in the economy.
Can you imagine insurance companies insuring soldiers going into combat, what would the premium be?
If they only had a max of a milion bucks, what would happen after that?
We know many of the major wounds would far excede a million in the private sector and the soldiers(vets) could not afford this.
Then the hospitals would be stuck again and the cycle would start all over.
Interesting as i think of different ways of doing this and how it could be handled differently to help the economy and vets both, seems like it always comes back to the VA as the best solution.
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actually Iwish? it is possible to do just that right now.
If you are service connected injured the Insurance co's pay for your treatemnt if you go private. If you go to the VA they can even pay the VA IF you have the proper policy....
The VA also pays for non-service connected treatments every day, i know this for fact. Too many Vets get lied to about their benefits even by Veterans that are working at he VA after they retire from the military. I have raised holy hell with at least a half dozen of them myself. Even got one fired.
I have never been lied to so much as iw aswhile i was in the Navy, and it started at - the recruiters office.
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You would not want to use your private insurance on a major combat wound and run your max up to high in case you needed more for non service medical.
Smaller stuff fine.
What if the insurance companies thought hugh amounts of their money were used on service conditions, maybe that is another reason they want all central health records?
If your policy is like mine it has a max.
You can get more, but again what would your premium be if you were headed for combat?
quote:Originally posted by IWISHIHAD: I know that personally.
But not visa versa.
You would not want to use your private insurance on a major combat wound and run your max up to high in case you needed more for non service medical.
Smaller stuff fine.
What if the insurance companies thought hugh amounts of their money were used on service conditions, maybe that is another reason they want all central health records?
If your policy is like mine it has a max.
You can get more, but again what would your premium be if you were headed for combat?
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and that's why they dropped the plan before it was ever even in writing, they dropped it March(a year ago:
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Office of the Press Secretary __________________________________________________________________ FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE March 18, 2009
Statement from Press Secretary Robert Gibbs on the President’s Strong Commitment to America’s Veterans: The President has consistently stated that he is committed to working with veterans on the details of the 2010 VA Budget Proposal. The President demonstrated his deep commitment to veterans by proposing the largest increase in the VA budget in 30 years and calling VSO and MSO leaders into the White House for an unprecedented meeting to discuss various aspects of the budget proposal. In considering the third party billing issue, the administration was seeking to maximize the resources available for veterans; however, the President listened to concerns raised by the VSOs that this might, under certain circumstances, affect veterans and their families’ ability to access health care. Therefore, the President has instructed that its consideration be dropped. The President wants to continue a constructive partnership with the VSOs and MSOs and is grateful to those VSOs and MSOs who have worked in good faith with him on the budget proposal.
it was simply an idea they kicked out. ideas are GOOD! making them sound like a plan? criminal. He was only in office for two months and it was already dropped.. it was just talk..
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i knew quite a few guys that would take cash instead of insurance at tehir jobs because they knew their VA rights. They'd rather pay the VA in cash instead of buying insurance
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and yeah, if they have the meds you need? which they usually do? I paid 5 up to 8 $ whne i used the VA...
when i tried to help the VA collect from my private insurer? the Insurer told me i needed to switchc policies (and it was no more 'spensive)and they would pay the VA for my care....
I decided then to screw the isnurer and go to private dotors becuase the war was starting and i figgered there were people who needed the VA more and i didn't want to use their resources. They pay so much more now it's ridiculous
But i can go back tomorrow if i needed or wanted. I generally like the care at eh VA better than Kaiser, I had some fights with Kaiser too, and those guys are pricks...
one night i was drilling some glass with a diamond core bit and managed to shoot the core into my finger, so i call my Kaiser doctors office and he was not available, this is at night on a weekend too i think. Anyway his office refer me to another doctor who's picking up his calls, and he say go to eh emergency room. So i go. The bill was 500$ and kaiser refused to pay for a year. I had to pay outa pocket, and then collect it later because the doctor didn't enter my name in his books as refered to the ER.. On top of that"? the Doc wanted to do xrays too and got mad when i refused. It was simply 500$ to remove a round chip of glass out of the side of my finger because i couldn't get ahold of it with tweezers and my wife couldn't look at it at all...
that hardly even hurt...
a couple years later i shot a drywall screw thru a peice of sheet metal and got my knuckle too... i had to unscrew it myself, cuz it was on kiln that weighed about two hundred pounds and i was alone that hurt, it came out the other side before i cold let go of the trigger on the drill....
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swallow? how about talking? makes sense for him to take up writing...
all of my superiors in the Navy were Nam vets or Nam era vets. (i went in 1980) since i was a gunner, i worked with quite a few guys that had seen action on the rivers and it seemd like we had quite few guys that had been marines in the gunner section too...
after i got in? i realised i really wanted to be a marine, but the recruiter had tricked me about what my gun school would be, and the "trickery" never stopped he convinced me that the path to EOD was thru gunnery school and then signed me up in school that locked me into my rating (SOB!).. what can i say i was 19 and gullible..
the Navy does get better chow tho
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after i got in? i realised i really wanted to be a marine, but the recruiter had tricked me about what my gun school would be, and the "trickery" never stopped he convinced me that the path to EOD was thru gunnery school and then signed me up in school that locked me into my rating (SOB!).. what can i say i was 19 and gullible..
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That's funny.
My wife had ask me how this friend of mine became a medic, i said i thought that's probably where they placed him, but i was not sure.
I probably knew way back but did not remember, so i asked him when we got together.
He said when he went in he signed up for electronics, but they put him in medic school and he ended up being the number two guy in his class.
He was sent off to i believe to Brussals with great duty.
But he had a thing going with a woman officer and they caught him, so he was in trouble.
The only duty station he could transfer to was Vietnam.
He said at times he thought he might have made the wrong choice, i laughed and told him there was another guy that came through before him that said the same thing.
This guy had been there before and had been out of the service for several years.
One night in a bar he broke a pool stick over some guys head.
The judge gave him the chance to go back in the service on go to prison, he ended up back in Vietnam.
I told this bubby of mine that this guy said many times that maybe he had made the wrong chioice also, he laughed.
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judge gave him the chance to go back in the service on go to prison, he ended up back in Vietnam. several of my best buds in the Navy were in for that too....
i volunteered, i was really wanting to go to Iran...
i had worked for over year evening shift in a big hospital as bloodrawer and by all rights should have been medic. but i really got sold a bill of goods by the recruiter... you really have to be in the military to know the truth of the book/move Catch-22...
it made no sense for me to be "utilised" the way i was, but the recruiter got a bonus for signing up rubes like mt to the job i ended up with.. i found that out later (of course).
one of my younger brothers best friends went navy medic and is now an MD... (not to worry i wouldn't have done that, i hate classroom school with a passion) who really wants to be shortarm inspector anyway?
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quote:what's funny about this smear campaign? Do you inform your friends when these lies and half-truths are proven wrong?
What a short memory we have...this kind of thing NEVER happened while Bush was in office...did it Tex?
My laughter was directed toward the fact that this was OBVIOUS satire. No politician would even offer this as a viable plan.
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this kind of thing NEVER happened while Bush was in office...did it Tex?
it sure did, remember swiftboat? or how about when the Bush people got the rumour started in SC that McCain's adopted (non-white) daughter was actually his from an affair?
Rove was the King of this stuff.
i used to get emails all time about crap like the avenging eagle supposedly mentioned in the Koran, (not there, all you had to do was run a simple search thru an online Koran to find out)
i know for a fact that alot of them were coming thru the Churches email accounts cuz i knew the mailing lists....
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glen beck is ranting right now about breast feeding tax credits...
this bill was proposed by one person early last year and died upon delivery...
June 25, 2009 Oregon Senator Proposes Breastfeeding Tax Credits
by Joseph Henchman
Senate Bill 1244, sponsored by Sen. Jeff Merkley (D-OR), would create an income tax credit for "50 percent of the qualified breastfeeding promotion and support expenditures of the taxpayer for such taxable year." Such "support expenditures" would include:
(A) for breast pumps and other equipment specially designed to assist mothers who are employees of the taxpayer to breastfeed or express milk for their children but only if such pumps and equipment meet such standards (if any) prescribed by the Secretary of Health and Human Services, and
(B) for consultation services to the taxpayer or employees of the taxpayer relating to breastfeeding.
This is another example of why our tax code is so complex and difficult to navigate. No doubt breastfeeding has supporters who think it's a good idea. But rather than relying on persuasion, or even direct spending programs that have to prove themselves each year, many special interests resort to using the tax code to encourage or discourage their vision of the world. Subject to less oversight and scrutiny, credits clutter up the tax code and distort decision-making.
now we can go back and find that this bill has been proposed numerous times and has alwyas been DOA:
H.R. 2236:
Breastfeeding Promotion Act of 2007
To amend the Civil Rights Act of 1964 to protect breastfeeding by new mothers; to provide for a performance standard for breast pumps; and to provide tax incentives to encourage breastfeeding.
This bill never became law. This bill was proposed in a previous session of Congress. Sessions of Congress last two years, and at the end of each session all proposed bills and resolutions that haven't passed are cleared from the books. Members often reintroduce bills that did not come up for debate under a new number in the next session.
quote:what's funny about this smear campaign? Do you inform your friends when these lies and half-truths are proven wrong?
What a short memory we have...this kind of thing NEVER happened while Bush was in office...did it Tex?
My laughter was directed toward the fact that this was OBVIOUS satire. No politician would even offer this as a viable plan.
And my laughter is directed at a couple of your brethern on this board who bought it hook, line, sinker, and boat! Like CCM says, you just can't make this stuff up!
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Pagan, I get set you up hook, line, and sinker real easily. I could create a tackle box of bait just for you that would involve all sorts of leftisms!
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McCain's Plan to Privatise Veterans' Health Care Analysis by Aaron Glantz*
SAN FRANCISCO, Aug 21, 2008 (IPS) - If John McCain is elected the next U.S. president, wounded veterans could be in for a world of hurt.
On the campaign trail, the Republican's presumptive nominee has talked of a new mission for the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) and argued that veterans with non-combat medical problems should be given vouchers to receive care at private, for-profit hospitals - in other words, an end to the kind of universal health care the government has guaranteed veterans for generations.
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