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So...Am I close?.. CUT taxes for the RICH, END regulation of BANKS and BIG OIL, END social security by GAMBLING with in the stock market, Cancel unemployment benefits so those "lazy" people will get jobs like "your' parents did...,... Invade Iran, Tear down Mosques and take away our new healthcare rights. Oh and Outlaw Abortion, gay marriage and birth-right citizenship. Oh Oh Oh and put the military on the border... and teach kids that evolution and climate change are lies.... Welcome to the Middle Ages America. We didn't get to experience them the first time, so this ought to be FUN!
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quote:Originally posted by jordanreed: So...Am I close?.. CUT taxes for the RICH, END regulation of BANKS and BIG OIL, END social security by GAMBLING with in the stock market, Cancel unemployment benefits so those "lazy" people will get jobs like "your' parents did...,... Invade Iran, Tear down Mosques and take away our new healthcare rights. Oh and Outlaw Abortion, gay marriage and birth-right citizenship. Oh Oh Oh and put the military on the border... and teach kids that evolution and climate change are lies.... Welcome to the Middle Ages America. We didn't get to experience them the first time, so this ought to be FUN!
You have to wait for Cowpie to respond Jordan. When he does....then this thread will be very entertaining! Give him time.....he will definitely shoot his uneducated mouth off soon. Wait for it. It'll be worth it!
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Jordan you make it sound like a haunted house...ooooohhh boooooooo the big bad rich people, the big bad oil companies! trick or treat gimmie social security!
blah blah blah, think of something new for once!
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quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: Jordan you make it sound like a haunted house...ooooohhh boooooooo the big bad rich people, the big bad oil companies! trick or treat gimmie social security!
blah blah blah, think of something new for once!
pretty funny, cow...but can you come up with anything new for the gop agenda?..doubt it....and your agenda is kinda like a haunted house..scary but in the end just all fake bluster..smoke and mirrors but scary.
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quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: Jordan you make it sound like a haunted house...ooooohhh boooooooo the big bad rich people, the big bad oil companies! trick or treat gimmie social security!
blah blah blah, think of something new for once!
pretty funny, cow...but can you come up with anything new for the gop agenda?..doubt it....and your agenda is kinda like a haunted house..scary but in the end just all fake bluster..smoke and mirrors but scary.
They dont have anything new, thats the problem. I am sure they are working on it right now, so we will see in the coming weeks before the election what they propose. You might as well plan on them going through with whatever it is because the dems are going to get obliterated in this election. Even Hillary Clinton came out today at saying the debt is basically out of control. She might beginning to distance herself from Obama like everyone else is doing.
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Big bad rich people is right. No minority should have overwhelming control over the majority. That inevitably leads to exploitation. It has happened again and again and again throughout world history in politics, religion, and economics. No world model from Christianity to Polytheism, Socialism to Monarchy has been able to escape that end result when power structures collect in one segment of the population.
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You might as well plan on them going through with whatever it is because the dems are going to get obliterated in this election
there's this thing called a Veto tho. And the GOP MAY get the House by a half dozen seats, and they MAY barely take the Senate back (but i doubt it) by 1 seat. Hence they can do nothing without Obama...
this will be interesting.... if they have any sense at all? they will fix what's wrong with the health care bill and send Obama a budget with the same or less deficit spend Dubya had in '07.... And they will work hard on figuring out how to help SMALL BUSINESS get going again... Thier history is to help big biz at the expense of small biz tho...
but without a 2/3 majority? they can't run over Obama...
here's how it works:
If the President approves of the legislation, he signs it (sign into law). If he does not approve, he must return the bill, unsigned, within ten days, excluding Sundays, to the house of the United States Congress in which it originated, while the Congress is in session. The President is constitutionally required to state his objections to the legislation in writing, and the Congress is constitutionally required to consider them, and to reconsider the legislation. This action, in effect, is a veto.
If the Congress overrides the veto by a two-thirds majority in each house, it becomes law without the President's signature. Otherwise, the bill fails to become law unless it is presented to the President again and he chooses to sign it.
A bill can also become law without the President's signature if, after it is presented to him, he simply fails to sign it within the ten days noted. If there are fewer than ten days left in the session before Congress adjourns, and if Congress does so adjourn before the ten days have expired in which the President might sign the bill, then the bill fails to become law. This procedure, when used as a formal device, is called a pocket veto.
In 1996, the Congress passed, and President Bill Clinton signed, the Line Item Veto Act of 1996. This act allowed the President to veto individual items of budgeted expenditures from appropriations bills instead of vetoing the entire bill and sending it back to the Congress. However, this line-item veto was immediately challenged by members of Congress who disagreed with it. In 1998, the Supreme Court declared that the line-item veto was unconstitutional. The Court found the language of the Constitution required each bill presented to the President to be either approved or rejected as a whole. An action by which the President might pick and choose which parts of the bill to approve or not approve amounted to the President acting as a legislator instead of an executive and head of state - and particularly as a single legislator acting in place of the entire Congress - thereby violating the separation of powers doctrine. (See Clinton v. City of New York, 524 U.S. 417 (1998).)
so as you can see Line Item Veot's that were hailed to be the great solution (by the Conservatives no less) turned out to be unConstitutional.
This design forces the two sides to work together.... after all the nastiness of the past few years? I ain't gonna hold my breath.
The GOPs had a strong block of 40 Senators that could have made alot of differnces in the last two years and just refused to participate. I don't expect anything different if they win the Congress. It's going to take 60 GOP Senators and a majority in the House and a GOP President for the GOPs to get anything they "say" they want done. They have played the obstruction card for purely partisan reason for too long to not get "paid back in kind"....
meanwhile the house is burning down....
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Dont you just find it funny how the Democrats are always complaining about Washington when they ARE Washington.
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Also, does anyone else find it odd that Sarah Palin gets slammed for writing a few notes on her hand when Obama cant give a speech unless he has teleprompters?
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cows says....Dont you just find it funny how the Democrats are always complaining about Washington when they ARE Washington.
Ya I sure do...especially when the gop says we should have smaller government..I always think..good idea!..Lets start with your job!..
as for the sarah plain thingy...Do you think Lincoln read the gettysburg address or that he said it off the top of his head....EVERY President Has always had there speeches in front of them...Sarah was referring to notes to help her answer simpleton questions..shes not bright..apples and oranges cow...
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quote:Originally posted by jordanreed: cows says....Dont you just find it funny how the Democrats are always complaining about Washington when they ARE Washington.
Ya I sure do...especially when the gop says we should have smaller government..I always think..good idea!..Lets start with your job!..
as for the sarah plain thingy...Do you think Lincoln read the gettysburg address or that he said it off the top of his head....EVERY President Has always had there speeches in front of them...Sarah was referring to notes to help her answer simpleton questions..shes not bright..apples and oranges cow...
No Jordan we should start with the 16,500 new IRS agents that were authorized by the health care bill. I can not comprehend why on earth you are touting great Obamacare success when the government is growing by almost 20,000 new IRS bureaucrats, and we have no money to pay their salaries. This ballooning of government is being supported by......oh thats right taxing the crap out of everything that moves. Give me a break, what world do you live in Jordan.
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Palin could have brought note cards. She could have brought a fancy binder. She could brought a lot of things.
Instead she wrote on her hand like a grade schooler.
Obama does use a teleprompter when giving speeches as do most political and religious leaders when giving a speech.
He doesn't use a teleprompter when debating or doing and Question and Answer session which is what Palin was doing when she got caught.
See the difference yet?
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Oh...and did I mention that she used as a disparagement against Obama the comment 'a charismatic guy with a teleprompter' in the same interview where she was caught with notes on her hand?
hypocritical much?
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You are all overblowing the notes on the hand thing. None of you must give speeches. I dont put notes on my hand, but I do used note cards or a page of talking points. I dont have to stare from screen to screen to regurgitate the same speech about what I inherited over and over.
BTW, didnt he inherit a congress controlled by Democrats?
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I will smile when that slimy guy is out of office. Just wish there was someone better than Sharron Angle running against him.
She's a piece of work, that one. Maybe even worse than my near and dear Michelle Bachmann.
At least Muchelle is smart. Over-aggressive, intentionally obtuse and wrongheaded on many issues, classist, homophobic, and thinks administrating the United States of America is just one big R vs D game....but she does have brains in her head.
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I'm going ot cut-n-pate this one cash becuase the answer is more than little complicated:
This wildly inaccurate claim started as an inflated, partisan assertion that 16,500 new IRS employees might be required to administer the new law. That devolved quickly into a claim, made by some Republican lawmakers, that 16,500 IRS "agents" would be required. Republican Rep. Ron Paul of Texas even claimed in a televised interview that all 16,500 would be carrying guns. None of those claims is true.
The IRS’ main job under the new law isn’t to enforce penalties. Its first task is to inform many small-business owners of a new tax credit that the new law grants them — starting this year — which will pay up to 35 percent of the employer’s contribution toward their workers’ health insurance. And in 2014 the IRS will also be administering additional subsidies — in the form of refundable tax credits — to help millions of low- and middle-income individuals buy health insurance.
The law does make individuals subject to a tax, starting in 2014, if they fail to obtain health insurance coverage. But IRS Commissioner Douglas Shulman testified before a hearing of the House Ways and Means Committee March 25 that the IRS won’t be auditing individuals to certify that they have obtained health insurance. He said insurance companies will issue forms certifying that individuals have coverage that meets the federal mandate, similar to a form that lenders use to verify the amount of interest someone has paid on their home mortgage. "We expect to get a simple form, that we won’t look behind, that says this person has acceptable health coverage," Shulman said. "So there’s not going to be any discussions about health coverage with an IRS employee." In any case, the bill signed into law (on page 131) specifically prohibits the IRS from using the liens and levies commonly used to collect money owed by delinquent taxpayers, and rules out any criminal penalties for individuals who refuse to pay the tax or those who don’t obtain coverage. That doesn’t leave a lot for IRS enforcers to do.
So where does the claim of 16,500 new agents come from?
Starting with a Soft Figure
This figure originated with a report put out by Republicans on the House Ways and Means Committee on March 18. It said:
GOP Analysis, March 18: IRS may need to hire as many as 16,500 additional auditors, agents and other employees.
Notice the words "may" and "as many as." This is the highest figure the GOP analysts thought they could support. Notice also the phrase "other employees," which covers everyone down to file clerks and support staff.
The analysts based their 16,500 figure on an assumption that the IRS budget "could" require an additional $10 billion over the next 10 years as a result of the law, a figure they attribute to the Congressional Budget Office. But what CBO Director Douglas W. Elmendorf actually said in a March 11 letter to congressional leaders is this (with emphasis added):
i know that alot of people don't like factcheck dotorg or mediamatters, BUT,
i've always found both groups to do very good research.
the way i see it? we will have more Govt employees to oversee this.
in th eend tho? you have to ask yourself a simple question. would you rather have some bureacrat on a simple and "fixed" type of income overseeing your health care managament? Or would you rahter have somebody doing it that gets an annual bonus by denying you coverage and benefits?
it's a pretty straightforward question.
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Overblowing the notes on the hand thing? She slams a guy for reading notes during his addresses while she has notes hidden on her person at an address!
Do you really enjoy being LIED to that much cow? Cuz that is what these people you are defending are doing to you ccm. Palin is lying to you, Beck is lying to you, Rush is lying to you, and those who support them are giving them millions to do it.
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Saw a good post today about the current state of the government/economy, here is a clip from it:
"There is so much redundancy and overlap in both federal and state agency departments, protected by unions, that we are doing a slow bleed on the private sector. In midieval times, they used leeches. Its no different today."
Right on point, and under this administration its only getting worse.
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Yes you certainly did Jordan.You figured the Republican agenda out 100%. And it is beyound beliefe that they will most likley win a majority in both hoses and it will come from folks who are doing better under Obama and will have a better future under Obama administration.
After listening to what the Rpubaidiots have to say they must vote from the back of a wagon trying to get there secound bottle of snake oil.
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Snake oil? Thats what Obama was selling in 2008 to get elected! There is a reason why Democrats are going to lose big time, it is because the MAJORITY of America doesnt like what they are focusing on. All the Bill Mahers out there are going to be throwing big hissy fits in November.
You all just keep smoking your Obama hopium.
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