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My family and I are planning to attend. I am fortunate, as we have family in the area to stay with. Hotels are booked pretty solid this weekend.

Anyone else planning to attend the Restoring America rally? It will mark the anniversary of Martin Luther King's, "I have a dream," speech.

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quote:
Originally posted by Peaser:
My family and I are planning to attend. I am fortunate, as we have family in the area to stay with. Hotels are booked pretty solid this weekend.

Anyone else planning to attend the Restoring America rally? It will mark the anniversary of Martin Luther King's, "I have a dream," speech.

I think Jordan and Relentless were planning on going.
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quote:
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Originally posted by Peaser:
My family and I are planning to attend. I am fortunate, as we have family in the area to stay with. Hotels are booked pretty solid this weekend.

Anyone else planning to attend the Restoring America rally? It will mark the anniversary of Martin Luther King's, "I have a dream," speech.

I think Jordan and Relentless were planning on going.
i doubt that they want to go hear Glen Beck regurgitate MLK's speeches [Smile]

to be honest? i cannot think of anything creepier than Glen Beck usurping or apropriating MLK's day...

do yo know the root meaning of the word Easter?

Easter was named after Eostre (a.k.a. Eastre). She was the Great Mother Goddess of the Saxon people in Northern Europe. Similarly, the "Teutonic dawn goddess of fertility [was] known variously as Ostare, Ostara, Ostern, Eostra, Eostre, Eostur, Eastra, Eastur, Austron and Ausos."
The estrous cycle (also oestrous cycle; derived from Latin oestrus and originally from Greek οἶστρος) comprises the recurring physiologic changes that are induced by reproductive hormones in most mammalian placental females.


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OK, I'll bite. What does easter have to do with this?

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i doubt that they want to go hear Glen Beck regurgitate MLK's speeches

to be honest? i cannot think of anything creepier than Glen Beck usurping or apropriating MLK's day...


I don't think this is where he will be going with this. I won't know until I witness the occasion first hand. Although, MLK's neice will be a speaker at the event and she will more than likely touch on her uncle's teachings.

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Easter was being celebrated specifically by the pagan Saxons before Charlemagne conquered them and "converted" them at threat of death. Of course the dates were set before Charlemagne conquered the Saxons in the 700's; but other culture had their own Easter too, it just wasn't called Easter anywhere else [Wink]


if you attempt to fix the date of Jesus' ressurection using the obscure, but present clues given in the early Bible texts? You would set Ressurection Day in early March 3-11 to be precise.
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The "thing" is? When you begin converting people to a religion and outlawing the older religions? It's more expeditious to usurp or appropriate the dates of their former religions. This done for tow reasons. One is "bury" the old celebration days with all of the new symbolism, and the other is to avoid the unpleasant task of prosecuting people who refuse to stop worshipping in the "old ways" because they have a plausible deniability in what they are actually celebrating if the days are the same. [Big Grin]

""The Sunday following the full Moon which falls on or after the equinox will give the lawful Easter."

They simply used the vernal equinox as the starting time to determine Easter, just as the Paans celebrated the equinoxes....

Easter was often based on Passover which also likely based on ancient equinox celebrations...

Christmas day was also usurped. 12-25 does not match up to ancient Biblical Texts either, but it does match up to the very first day that a normal observer can see that the Sun is beginning to rise sooner and set later than it did on the longest night of the year just three days earlier....


watching Beck as often as i do, i have noted that he utilises many evangelical techniques developed and perfected by people attempting influence others into their religions...

have fun... DC in late Aug can be really nice, but it can also be a steambath. Sometimes in Aug DC just feels like the swamp it was before they drained it to build the city . That's why the St of Md was willing to "give" the land away, nobody wanted it...

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Glass, Beck is your fav.

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quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
Glass, Beck is your fav.

fav? he's one of a kind, and i don't really have anything to compare him to.

i do find the fact that he has such a large following interesting if that's what you mean... i don't think any of the folks as MSNBC have anywhere near the following he does, and i cannot stand to even listen to limbuuger so, yes you are correct in his class? he's my fav...

BTW? i cannot get either of them on the radio here, just as cannot get any rockandroll.. we have very few stations, and event he local TV stations are very low budget... i have couple of friends that are on TVNews every day and they get paid so little that they have to take second jobs

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You should go on Beck as a guest that would be fun to watch. You have to get satellite radio glass, this way you can get allllll the channels.

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internet radio... You can get just about anyone online at just about anytime of day.

Take your pick:

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=internet+radio+glenn+beck&aq=4&aqi=g10& aql=&oq=internet+radio+g&gs_rfai=CHCzOY51pTOzUDojwzATC0_31CwAAAKoEBU_Q4ixh&fp=78 8f18b3cb6ead4b

I used to have sat radio about 8 years ago. It wasn't worth it to me, as there were too many repeat performances on the same channels, especially the comedian channels.

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ah even better idea.

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we had satelltite radio for awhile... sirius.. i didn't think it was worht the money...

i bought an antennae to extend my network range and it still isn't strong enough to get to the shop or the motorhome, so i guess i need to get soem more wire and extend the antennae to the carport and hope it still works in the house too... i do have cable in the shop and can listen to TV music staions... i suppose the cable co might let me run two modems so i'd have a modem in the shop, but i haven't asked them yet...

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Set up wifi, get a cheap acer laptop/notebook, it's pretty simple. You may even be able to pick up a wifi signal from a neighbor for free on a notebook.

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quote:
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Set up wifi, get a cheap acer laptop/notebook, it's pretty simple. You may even be able to pick up a wifi signal from a neighbor for free on a notebook.

that's what i added the antenae too.. but it's motorola.. the antenae i got is supposed to increase the signal five times, we can now detect network at the shop and in the motorhome, but we can't logon... it's about 200 feet... seemed to me like it should have worked..

you just unscrew the little antena on the wireless network and screw the cable in and the new antennae gos on the cable, but the new one just doesn't boost the signal enough... maybe the laptop can't send it's signal all the way back to it?

i have enough CAT5 ethernet cable to reach the shop, so i won't need wireless, but i haven't gotten around to digging the trench [Big Grin]

seems like i can always find something more important to do [Wink]

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quote:
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Set up wifi, get a cheap acer laptop/notebook, it's pretty simple. You may even be able to pick up a wifi signal from a neighbor for free on a notebook.

So you think stealing internet connectivity is A-Ok Pease? Wow...lost some respect for you on that one.

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It is not stealing. People have a choice to set up a Secure or unsecure network. So, is it stealing going on down to starbucks to hang out, drink some coffee and surf the web on wifi?

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quote:
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It is not stealing. People have a choice to set up a Secure or unsecure network. So, is it stealing going on down to starbucks to hang out, drink some coffee and surf the web on wifi?

No...because Starbucks offers wifi. Logging on to your neighbors is theft. Doesn't seem that difficult to understand. Stealing....is stealing.

Or do you need to run that by Beck first?

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I appologize, as I did not mention this first. One should always ask for permission from a nighbor before piggybacking on an open network.

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quote:
Originally posted by Pagan:
quote:
Originally posted by Peaser:
It is not stealing. People have a choice to set up a Secure or unsecure network. So, is it stealing going on down to starbucks to hang out, drink some coffee and surf the web on wifi?

No...because Starbucks offers wifi. Logging on to your neighbors is theft. Doesn't seem that difficult to understand. Stealing....is stealing.

Or do you need to run that by Beck first?

stop being such a jerk to people, you are so bitter.

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this is pretty good:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wdw0T5Q66tc

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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
this is pretty good:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wdw0T5Q66tc

Funny, but the thing that it sad is a lot of people get their news from John Stewart...or should I say John Leibowitz. I dont know why he wanted to change his last name...but whatever.
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LOL, it's no sadder than people (only)
getting it from fox or msnbc....

you have seen Beck right? he pegged him dead on..

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Different audience, anyway: very few in Stewart's audience would consider his stuff news.

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Awesome day in DC. I might post some of my pics in time.

Got Facebook? IM me for pics.

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OK, so Beck claims he had 500,000 people there...

he showed picture that supposedly proves it....

there is no way he had 500,000...

i was there in the 80's for a couple of Beach Boys concerts on July 4th with 750,000 people and that crowd made Beck's crowd look like a joke...

it was an all day crowd, and there was still plenty of space to move around as long as you didn't want to get close to the stage... but the metro lines were hours long.... not a couple hundred yards,

my wife and i made it to the front row in 85, it only took about a half hour of steady moving forward once we diecided we were going to go as far as we could..... and we were able to stay there for over an hour till the end of the show. We did have bruises from the crowd forcing us tight against the chain link fence.

we saw no violence then either...

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Being cordial, you couldn't get close here, unless you were there really early. I tried. It was wall to wall people. In the pictures online, you can see the tree lines, yet under the trees, there was nothing but shoulder to shoulder people.

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If an dunder head like beck can draw 500,000 people its time to give up on America. What an insult to the country. He can't even get a sponser in euorpe to keep him on the air and here people eat up what he has to say like candy. Good luck America.

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quote:
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Being cordial, you couldn't get close here, unless you were there really early. I tried. It was wall to wall people. In the pictures online, you can see the tree lines, yet under the trees, there was nothing but shoulder to shoulder people.

close? i saw the pictures, even the one Beck posted on TV from the top of the Washington monumnet...

not getting close to the stage only takes about 50,000 people here's an "officially estimated"\ crowd of 200,000 to 300,000

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here's Becks "official" picture

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he claims it has to be 500,000 people because the mall is almost 8/10ths of a mile....

but i see and saw on TV lots of green and space between people just a little ways from the stage

that 8/10s only 4000 feet and a person takes at least 2 feet front to back when packed in tight...

so a 2000 people long line would require an uninterrupted breadth of 250 people....

it ain't there....

the peopel are more like 5 feet apart and there's maybe 100 in breadth....

here's the oBama inauguration where they were shoulder to shoulder and front to back over a much larger area...... the area used is more than five times as large and it was carefully calculated at 1.8 million people...

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Beck might have had 150,000 but no more...

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keep in mind too, that Metro ran special schedules to empty the mall after the huge shows i went to, and it took more then three hours to empty the mall..

did Beck have special train schedules for his event? i heard it only took about an hour to get teh people out...

i do see some outlets low-balled him, but not by a factor of 3X to 4X which he is exagerating to...

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seems beck was exagerating the distance from the Licoln mounment to the Washington Monument too

Located on the National Mall[2], the reflecting pool is approximately 2,029 feet (618 m) long and 167 feet (51 m) wide.


that would be 338,843 square feet...give a standing person two feet front to back and 4 feet right to left and you get 8 sq. ft...

that comes to 42,355 people that could stand tightly front to back and shoulder to shoulder on the reflecting pond itself.....

sitting (at ten sq ft? ) would reduce that to 33,843 with no access rows or aisles...

that should give you a perspective on how many people were actually there [Wink]

granted that he got quite few people to show up?

Beck is still has a serious perspective problem...

i count about double that number of people in the picture... 67,000 to 85,000,

double that again? i doubt it, but it's possible...

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Capitalism: Man exploiting man, as opposed to socialism, which is the reverse.

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quote:
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Capitalism: Man exploiting man, as opposed to socialism, which is the reverse.

lol, man *not* exploiting man?

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quote:
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seems beck was exagerating the distance from the Licoln mounment to the Washington Monument too

Located on the National Mall[2], the reflecting pool is approximately 2,029 feet (618 m) long and 167 feet (51 m) wide.


that would be 338,843 square feet...give a standing person two feet front to back and 4 feet right to left and you get 8 sq. ft...

that comes to 42,355 people that could stand tightly front to back and shoulder to shoulder on the reflecting pond itself.....

sitting (at ten sq ft? ) would reduce that to 33,843 with no access rows or aisles...

that should give you a perspective on how many people were actually there [Wink]

granted that he got quite few people to show up?

Beck is still has a serious perspective problem...

i count about double that number of people in the picture... 67,000 to 85,000,

double that again? i doubt it, but it's possible...

some early reports I saw had a CBS aerial count at 87,000.

I can't for the life of me understand this issue. I haven't counted crowds professionally in some years. Yet, only a week or so ago, I went to an old-timey jazz event and counted the crowd, just out of habit.

Obviously, "official Washington" won't release counts, but legit journalism sources will be close enough, once averaged.

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i kinda count crowds as a habit Tex. I've played barroom pool, in strange to me places, for 30 years now. I learned very early on that keeping track of who is who, and esp. who is with who, can be lifesaving...

there's always a sign somewhere that says how many are allowed in a bar, and it is always based on square footage, and number of exits.... I've been in places where that number is exceeded many times and the mood always changes.... I usually leave when the number is reached, but a few time i have stayed just out of perversity [Big Grin]

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Glenn Beck on Tuesday launched The Blaze, a news website Beck says aims to 'make sense of the world.' Some liked the look of The Blaze. Some thought it was a travesty of honest news.

By Gloria Goodale, Staff writer
posted August 31, 2010 at 2:58 pm EDT

Watch out Rupert Murdoch, Glenn Beck has got news on his mind.

Yes, contrary to much media speculation over the weekend that Mr. Beck’s next venture might be a run for political office, turns out he wants to join the crew of weary warriors in the world of online news gathering. His new website is dubbed "The Blaze.”

According to Beck, the site is intended to give folks a helping hand. “If you are like me,“ Beck said in a statement, “watching the news or reading the paper can be an exercise in exasperation. It's so hard to find a place that helps me make sense of the world I see."

"We want this to be a place where you can find breaking news, original reporting, insightful opinions, and engaging videos about the stories that matter most,“ he added.

Join the conversation about Glenn Beck on our Facebook politics page

A project of Beck’s own company, Mercury, it is headed up by managing editor Scott Baker, who hails from Breitbart TV and “The B-Cast.”

The good, the bad, and the unprofitable?
Not surprisingly, The Blaze – like its founder – sparks strong emotions.

On the one side, there is political blogger Shel Horowitz, who writes about The Blaze in terms more commonly used in describing natural disasters. “The juxtaposition of ‘Glenn Beck’ and ‘honest source of information’ in the same sentence would be amusing, if it weren't scary," he writes in an e-mail. "Kind of like Fox calling itself ‘fair and balanced.' ”

But wait. There's more. Mr. Horowitz navigates his way to TheBlaze.com and offers a running commentary of its content. All he lacks, it seems, is a dart board with Beck's face.

The site “claims that MLK and the Democratic Party had/have a 'radical leftist agenda,' pays homage to the climate-change deniers, accuses Al Sharpton of racism, and claims that 70 percent of New Yorkers oppose the Ground Zero mosque (a figure I question),” Horowitz writes.

Other critics more closely aligned with Beck are, predictably, more complimentary. "The Blaze is off and to the races. I really like the look of this site," writes Erick Erickson of RedState.com. "It’s kind of a Huffington Post-y sort of Big Government/Daily Caller-y sort of news and blog site."

What The Blaze will ultimately be remains a mystery for now. Beck’s chances of making money with this venture are slim, given the lack of a proven and broadly applicable online business model, says public relations specialist Adam Hanft, who also blogs for sites such as the Huffington post.

“It remains to be seen whether Beck will yield to the web's furious cacophony of voices – can get comfortable with dissenting views presented without curation – or if The Blaze will occupy a much more narrow niche as a source of aggressive, pointed commentary alone,” Mr. Hanft says via e-mail.

'The power to persuade'
For Mr. Horowitz, The Blaze's first-day offerings leave little doubt. “The only real issue here is whether enough people will be deluded to think this is actually anything resembling honest news coverage," says Horowitz. "That could be a problem, just as it was when the New York Times' publication of Judith Miller's false reports in the run-up to the Iraq war helped to justify an illegal and arbitrary invasion.”

But in the virtually "anything goes" world of online journalism, where the liberal Huffington Post has no direct conservative counterweight, Beck's effort should not be easily dismissed, says Richard Goedkoop, a professor of communication at La Salle University in Philadelphia.

"We should care because he reaches a lot of people who seem to believe in what he says. So much so that he was able to get between 100,000 to 500,000 people (depending upon who you believe) to go to Washington to hear him this weekend," says Mr. Goedkoop in an e-mail. "That carries with it a degree of political power and the power to persuade. Whether or not he is a messiah or a demagogue will be decided in due course."

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