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Do you know that it is felt that to become an expert at your talent ..or whatever you choose to do..that it takes 10000 hours of practicing that art.
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"Do you know that it is felt that to become an expert at your talent ..or whatever you choose to do..that it takes 10000 hours of practicing that art."
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I never understood that word Expert.
I always felt i am always learning no matter how long i am or was doing a task or talent!
It seems to be a word that's used quite frequantly to promote camps or indivuals.
So many times these people making the money have as much expertise as the dog up the street.
It seems to be such an overused word that seems to make the naive believers, when they really should not be.
Most experts want to tell you they are, instead of letting their talents show you that they are very good.
It seems to be worst these days or maybe i am just more aware of the lack of talent by the so called experts.
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Iguess I was speaking of playing an instrument..to be specific. 10000 hours is, indeed, 416 days..but that would be 24 hours a day. kinda hard to practice an art, any art, 24 hours aday. golf, Tennis,painting, writing, ditch-digging, etc...if you were to practice,good practice, 10000 hrs, you would be at the top of that field...3 hrs a day would be about 9 yrs. Tough to do...thats why there are are so few top pros..it take intense dedication,,constantly.
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I am not so sure of that as far as hours, you need more than just hours.
For me hours would not make me that good in lots of areas, especially in music or singing.
Although I was okay at guitar, in my opinion.
Sounds like you would have liked to have been a golf pro.
A friend of mines son will be one in less than a year, he will be 23.
His major at college has been golf, so when he comes out i think he is certified.
It will probably be hard to find a course where he would like to live at first, but after he gets some years in, it sounds like he can find one where he wants to settle down.
Of course at 23 and not married it that makes it easy for him.
quote:Originally posted by jordanreed: Iguess I was speaking of playing an instrument..to be specific. 10000 hours is, indeed, 416 days..but that would be 24 hours a day. kinda hard to practice an art, any art, 24 hours aday. golf, Tennis,painting, writing, ditch-digging, etc...if you were to practice,good practice, 10000 hrs, you would be at the top of that field...3 hrs a day would be about 9 yrs. Tough to do...thats why there are are so few top pros..it take intense dedication,,constantly.
I still think your premise is correct JR. If you practiced 4 hours per day, that would equate to almost 7 years.(10,000 hours)
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Unfortuantly your numbers are true for so many of the youth programs these days.
They force kids into chosing a sport at such young ages now and if they don't participate in these programs they have little chance of playing high school sports.
By participating does not make them better than a kid that chooses less intense programs, because in sports you need something beyond just practicing long hours to be at the top.
In fact in some sports this intense practice leads to major injuries at younger and younger ages.
You do need practice, but i am not sure that pharse, practice makes perfect... is really true
I can say this, though, re: "Perfect practice makes perfect":
The quality of practice sessions makes a huge difference. My teams' success on the field had much to do with enthusiasm and raw talent of the players; another component was discipline, both physical and mental; third, our practice sessions were very different from the norm. For the both the second and third components, think "Karate Kid." A couple of quick examples: 1) unlike Select teams, none of my groups was ever forced to run endless "warm-up" laps around 6 or 8 fields before practice; 2) no kid *ever* had to ask me if he could "go get some water." That's just dumb--and reckless, too.
Raw talent is a component that can't be overlooked, especially at the individual level. But mastery of fundamentals (including technique) can go a long way toward neutralizing and even overcoming raw talent.
Another function not mentioned so far is a market function. Pure drive and marketing ability can easily overcome talent, especially in the performing arts, but also in sports--as far as commercial "success" goes.
The big problem is that many coaches do not have a clue, instead of wanting to learn how and what is best for the kids, they want to become experts instantly, several books and it's a done deal.
I have had several weeks of watching.
My grandson is going through a couple of camps.
One is running and one that just finished was baseball.
My daughter asked me if she should sign him up for the baseball one and i said yes.
It's always good for them to hear another coach.
I had forgot how bad many of these camps are, yet so many parents are looking for help when they send their kids and pay good money.
For me i look at the camp as some fun for him and more work for me to correct what they usually learn at these camps.
This one was extremely bad, yet he had fun so all is good.
I just can't believe that they did not even know about basic fundamental stuff, like warming up an arm before you start to throw,etc. etc.
The running camp is good and they have some great drills to build your running muscles and balance, its just that the younger kids are not taking those drills and having them run sprints like they do the older kids, to get them out of their bad mechanics.
I am going to talk to the instuctor next week to see if my grandson can work the same rountine as the older kids.
A new older kid comes in and they go right into the better rountine.
We will see what he says.
The only thing that bothers me a little is the there is a story before the camp starts.
Got there the first time and realize that this is a religious guy running the camp that likes to bring a story in on ethics and behavior.
Nothing so wrong with that except his ethics and ideals are not necessarily the same as mine.
But he has not got carried away yet, so all is good.
The problem i am having from what i hear at these camps are the talks and they all seem to be emphasizing that the coaches are always right so what they say you need to listen to.
I believe when i coach that that i lead by example.
If the kids are getting better then they will listen and dig in, i don't need to tell them what i teach is correct, most woul assume that.
I am always looking for new ways to teach the mechanics and timing to keep it more interesting.
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One of the stories from the running camp had to do with the Tour De France.
The leader at one point i think was from France i did not follow that close.
Anyway the second guy bikes had some problems and he fell back, instead of the leader waiting for the second guy to take care of his problem he took advantage of the situation and kept trucking.
The jist of the story was that the first guy should not have taken advantage of this situation and there is some unwritten rule that you do not do this in the Tour De France.
It took me awhile to think about it.
The instuctor felt this was not morally the thing to do, from what i gathered.
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I am not sure of that either as far as the world series.
i was kind of thinking in terms of the coaching and not so much the players...
yeah including players, i should say playing pro ball in general, but we don't usually consider college players to be experts. once in awhile we see a "natural" but i'm skeptical if being natural and being an expert are the same thing..
today even college level coaching at the highest levels has become expert level, i think of coaches that consistently win with new players every two years...
in glass? i am a natural but i am only expert at a very few technical aspects of it because i can consistently reproduce the same results over and over...
and like i said? i don't feel accomplished enough to call myself an expert at glassblowing in genral, i beleive i could become a recognised Master if i were to abandon my family and go take masters classes. Traditionally in Italy? No matter how good you are? You are not considered a Master until you are in your late 40's....
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IWISH....I envy your son!...with me, i never thought about golf or sax as a career until a few yrs ago..too late then. Back in 71 my parents told me to go to college so I can get a good paying job in life. Never even mentioned golf or horn...in high school I was shooting in the mid to high seventies...wasnt serious about it ,,same with sax,,in all the school bands, featured soloist in jazz band,concert band,,but it was just fun......now I have huge regrets..I was a punk...do i blame my folks for not exploiting my talent? umm,yes..but if i were more in tune with who i was back then,I would of realized my future as an artist or golf pro..Good for you Iwish for supporting your boy! He should be able to find work as an assistant pro somewhere..great job and he could play local, regional tournys and move on from there...it is my dream career
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Maybe bob should sponsor an allstocks.com golf tournament.
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I dunno... we're getting off into semantics a bit.
For instance, I'm "expert" at a few things: coaching youth soccer, home repair, journalism...
But would my expertise translate/transfer?
For instance, would I be expert as an adult coach? No guarantee--the pyschology of the players changes.
Am I a master carpenter? No way.
Another sports analogy: year in, year out the program with the most futbol masters is Brazil. By that I intend mastery of control of the ball.
And, yes, they have won the most Cups--but lead Italy by only one.
And you'll notice they got beat this year by the Dutch. Why? The Orange game plan took advantage of the odds better than the Brazilians' did. In other words, mastery of the entire game takes precedence over that of individuals.
In music, even though many of us love an All-Star studded jam session for its indescribable "moments," a long-standing, well-rehearsed band will usually be a better band than any given group of "stars."
For the individual, mastery of one's tools/instrument never stops.
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do i blame my folks for not exploiting my talent?
i can make much the same claim. my "future" according to them was nothing like what i had in mind...
My Daddy was workin' nine to five When my Momma was havin' me By the time I was half alive They knew what I was gonna be But I left school and grew my hair They didn't understand They wanted me to be respected as A doctor or a lawyer man (But I had other plans)
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Actually Jordanreed, it was a friend of mines son that will be a golf pro, his son has been having a good time along the way, my friend says a little to good.
My son is done with college, he played baseball and probably several other things while at college.
For me coaching older kids is easier, although i still stick with the 9-11 year olds.
As far as the word expert, i never feel i can ever reach what i feel as an expert, never want to.
Although many times over a lot of years i have had people tell me that when coaching baseball and basketball, probably wanted their kid to play all the time.
College coaching anymore has a lot to do with recruiting and many of the same aspects of the pro's.
Even questionable recruiting and paying when they get caught at it.
Of course the coach never knows, a good example USC, only because they got caught.
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Funny how as we get older we recall more of the things of the past.
In the last few weeks i had a friend of mine and several others from grammer school get together.
One friend we had not heard from or could track down for 40+ years.
Today i come home and have a messsage on the recorder from a guy i served with in Vietnam saying that him and several others were wondering what i have been doing, left his name and number to contact them.
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No no no im not talking about your friends im talking about the senior citizen center we have going on at allstocks lmao
Actually I wont crack too hard on that because one day I will be there. Hell, when I was 19 I remember working with a guy who was 25 and I thought he was the oldest thing around. Parents, well that was just a whole different world to me.
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I dont mind going into my prime I am 30 so I got a nice decade ahead of me. Still athletic, business owner, good looking, grad student, and single ready to mingle.
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