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I guess it was true, there is no such thing as an anti abortion democrat.......
That deal with him was just shady, and strong armed. The liberals need to get their act together. BIG losses this fall, and they seem to snub it off.
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quote:I guess it was true, there is no such thing as an anti abortion democrat.......
There are, Cash. Don't judge Stupak's commitment to the Pro-Lifer movement too harshly based on this. He was strongarmed, yes. But that just means that they found his price.
Look for him to have a really nice private sector job within a year of his leaving public service.
quote:I guess it was true, there is no such thing as an anti abortion democrat.......
There are, Cash. Don't judge Stupak's commitment to the Pro-Lifer movement too harshly based on this. He was strongarmed, yes. But that just means that they found his price.
Look for him to have a really nice private sector job within a year of his leaving public service.
(shrug)
I know there are, but I was just making a point. What makes me sick is how people defend him now. The guy just showed his true up to date colors, and they say he is retiring because he did a good thing to provide health care to people.
This whole health care ordeal is turning out to be a scam like the stimulus. They take maybe 4 good things in the health care bill, and hide all the negatives by not addressing them or answering to them when asked about.
Why on earth were student loans taken over by the government? Why is everything being taken over?
One thing is for sure, the government is growing into a massive meat grinder and someone is going to have to pay for such large expansion.
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Why on earth were student loans taken over by the government? Why is everything being taken over?
student loans? i can 'splain that. first off? there's no law saying that private lenders cannot make student loans, however nobody lends to people that can't show how they can pay them back do they?
the US Govt garantees student loans.
the US govt has also been subsidizing them. basically? the avg student loan is costing tapxpayers moany and private co's are making money off of our taxe$s.
there were also a lot of finace co's making kickbacks to the education institutions for requiring the student to use their services.
here's some recent history:
Bush Signs Sweeping Student Loan Bill Into Law, Adding an Asterisk
By Ian Shapira Washington Post Staff Writer Friday, September 28, 2007
President Bush signed into law yesterday a student loan bill that will provide more than $20 billion in federal aid to college students and is being likened to the G.I. Bill, which helped millions of World War II veterans attend college. [an error occurred while processing this directive]
The law, which received overwhelming bipartisan support in Congress, will slash federal subsidies to private loan companies and increase grants for students. It will gradually reduce interest rates on federally subsidized loans for low-income students to 3.4 percent over five years. The law will also offer loan forgiveness for those who have held public service jobs for 10 years and will cap payments on federal loans at a certain percentage of a college graduate's income.
The new law, the College Cost Reduction and Access Act, overhauls the nation's student loan system.
** Recent investigations have revealed how lenders have showered university officials with gifts to woo student borrowers and drive up profits. Congress reacted sharply to the disclosures, and the support to revamp the student loan industry was considered a rare bipartisan endeavor.
basically? this law was designed to SAVE taxpayers money.
But as Bush signed the bill, he suggested that it is not perfect. "This bill makes some spending commitments that aren't paid for yet, and I look forward to working with the Congress to ensure Pell Grant increases that are not fully funded in this bill are paid for with offsets in other areas."
Lending industry advocates, who have been railing against the reforms since they were proposed, said Bush's signature will only hurt students and the lending companies. Kevin Bruns, executive director of America's Student Loan Providers, said the new law will take away 80 percent of the companies' federal subsidies over the next five years, which could result in fewer loan benefits for students.
the govt was paying these co's to make the loans.
the cos can still make the loans if they want, they just won't get any "help" from the Govt or your tax$s anymore
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government student loans have been in effect for decades... cash,,you have to learn to not believe all the scare tactics of your party..it is nothing more than their way of trying to get back in power. obama is no more a communist than you..you must strive to be above those tea-baggers...you're better than that.
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Obama is increasing the number of Govt employees. he states that very clearly in the OPM website (office of personnel management)
however, every single president has increased the number of Govt emplyees, even Reagan, and Bush (i think) increased govt employees the most with the Homeland Security bill.
it was the largest re-organisation of Govt ever. and i am pretty sure it was larger than the health care bill.
the health care bill does not take over one sixth of the economy as the talkingchitheads claim.
it does increase govt oversite over health care insurance, but the Govt already controlled it.
go try to buy a medicine without the Govt approval? cannot do it.
go try to buy a medical device? same.
the FDA has been doing all of that for years
the thing was already heavily regulated and the fact is they simply changed the policies in place.
furthermore? the govt was already in direct control of more than half of all health care costs anyway since medicare medicaid is well over half of all health care costs in the US...
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quote:Originally posted by jordanreed: government student loans have been in effect for decades... cash,,you have to learn to not believe all the scare tactics of your party..it is nothing more than their way of trying to get back in power. obama is no more a communist than you..you must strive to be above those tea-baggers...you're better than that.
Hey Jordan im not a tea party member. "Tea bagger" is really immature lingo and really exhibits the level you are on. Just what is MY party btw?
Also, over 450 BILLION dollars added to the national debt in the past TWO MONTHS ALONE. The government is still spending more money than they have coming in. This is the change we can believe in right? I have a question for you Jordan. What is it like beeing a sheep?
If a "Republican" made the same decisions as Obama, you would be livid. This whole board would just be a slander house. However, since Obama is making these choices, it is ok. The problem with people who support Barrack Obama is that if anyone comes around with a well deserved objective viewpoint they are immediately dismissed and potentially harassed. I guess liberals can not get over Bush because they still blame him for anything that goes wrong.
Im going to be laughing this fall when the elections come. Thats really all I need to put you in check to be honest. The polls, the votes, and the newly unemployed politicians on both sides will speak volumes.
So while you are sitting there at your computer do me a favor and slap yourself.
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