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So, Pelosi gets on tv and says that the members don't want to vote for the Senate's Bill...so they're going to just act like it passed...without a vote...
No reconciliation...no commitee...no individual accountability...
All this is going to do is sharpen the partisan divide. No Dem in the House is going to be able to claim they were against it as there will be no roll call vote.
All Dems will be considered as for and all Repubs as against.
November is going to be a slaughterfest...
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OK, looking at this? i see the House passed their version of the health care bill in Nov.
House passes health care reform bill November 8, 2009 12:40 a.m. EST
Washington (CNN) -- The House of Representatives on Saturday night passed a sweeping health care bill by a vote of 220-215.
With the passage of H.R. 3962, the Affordable Health Care for America Act, proponents of health care reform took an important step forward, but turning the bill into law remains uncertain. http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/11/07/health.care/
In Dec. the Senate passed their version:
Barack Obama healthcare bill passes vital US Senate vote
Plan to extend healthcare coverage to 30m uninsured people likely to go through before Christmas after 60-40 vote
U.S. Senate vote on the health care reform was successful today. The new health care bill was passed on the Christmas Eve with a 60-39 vote. The new health care bill took three weeks of debate and a lot of political wrangling, but today's Senate vote took less than fifteen minutes.
normally at this time the bills would go to committee to work out the differences...
UPDATED 2/23/2009 Comparing the House and the Senate Health Care Proposals In December, the Senate approved a sweeping legislation to overhaul the nation’s health care system. The House approved its bill in November. The proposals are broadly similar but differ on some major issues, like a new government insurance plan, abortion and how to pay for the expansion of coverage. A look at some key differences between the proposals:
House version
Includes mandate.
Penalty: Tax equal to 2.5 percent of adjusted gross income over certain thresholds ($9,350 for individuals, $18,700 for couples).
Exemptions: American Indians, people with religious objections and people who can show financial hardship.
Senate version
Includes mandate.
Penalty: $95 a year or 0.5 percent of a household’s income, whichever is greater, in 2014; $495 or 1 percent of income in 2015; $750 or 2 percent of income in 2016 (with a maximum of $2,250 for a family). The penalty would be adjusted for inflation after 2016. No penalty if the cost of cheapest available plan exceeds 8 percent of household income.
Exemptions: American Indians, people with religious objections, people who can show financial hardship and people with income below 100 percent of the poverty level ($22,050 for a family of four).
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I understand how the process works 'normally', Glass, but if I understand this procedure right they are passing the Senate's version without a vote. Regardless of whether the House Bill containing the changes passes, it will be as if they had passed the Senate Bill meaning no commitee, no reconciliation.
Ie...Go directly to Pres. Obama's Desk for signing. Do not pass Reconciliation, do not collect $200.
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must really piss the rupblicans off they use the same process to deregulate and the dems just had to take as they did. Then watch the economy go down the toilet. Now when it is about to be used against them the rupbs scream unfair.
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yeah but Ray, the GOP learned it's lesson, and they've CHANGED, so from now on they are only going to be "good" politicians, and do good things when they get their power back, it's not going to be like before.
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Health care is necessary for America because a bunch of repubpiggies got there palms greased to say no makes no difference they have had a year to come up with something and they have not
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quote:Originally posted by SeekingFreedom: The ends justify the means...as longs as you agree with the particular ends...eh, Ray?
Condemn it in the opposition...praise it in your own...
Do unto others, mate. Were you complaining then? Why you complaining now?
Listen, I get yer point, but here is my point.
Last year a majority of the house passed healthcare, a majority of the senate passed healthcare, and a majority of the people wanted healthcare passed.
Now that we are in the dog days and detail work of the bill those margins have slid which complicates the 'process' but if another vote was held today a (slimmer)majority of the house would vote for healthcare, a (slim)majority of the senate would vote for it, and a (slim) majority of Americans want it.
Majority will is good enough on other topics, why is this one different?
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Big, that's just the point...I don't think the majority of the people do want this particular reform. Else why all these games?
Vote it in....if you can....which they can't.
Why do you think they can't even get their own party on board?
Fear of their own electorate, plain and simple.
When this passes...by hook or crook...Dems willblose 80%+ of the midterms, mark my words.
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Prior polls on healthcare reform were above 70% positive when the ball was still rolling fresh. Our current president won his office from the majority with healthcare being one of the main pillars of his platform. Latest polls I've seen say 46% want it and 45% don't. A good chunk of those polling against the plan now are doing so because they think the Plan doesn't go far enough. Take those folks out and where is your majority at? Who is more likely to be skewing the numbers? Those who report that a majority wants it or those that say a majority doesn't?
I'll hold you to that 80% midterm number. That ought to make for a good midterm election wager. To up the ante I'll put my own number out there. Let me look at the full contest and who the contenders are and I'll give you a percentage you can hold me to.
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quote:Originally posted by T e x: It really is shameful, the party of NO!
Remember the Party of Do Nothing, Tex?
This name calling is both childish and self-defeating.
Can you tell me with a straight face that this bill is as popular as Obama wants to make it out to be that the Dems won't even give it a vote?
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that's why i want to see an up or down vote, i'm not a fan of forcing people to get insurance.
Mass. Sen. Brown voted FOR the bill in Mass that also required everybody to get insurance. Romney signed it. They are both saying they are against this.
i don't think the govt gets that kind of authority from the constitution.
but, there's only one way to find out whether people want this or not.
i have heard people against this say things like "if it's so good the politicians should have to get this plan", well, guess what? the plan is modeled on what the politicians do have, they choose from a set of policies that fulfill certain requirements- an exchange if you will...and those requirements are in this bill. that's the reason it will raise health care costs, because it raises the quality on health insurance policies that can be offered, an d if this bill passes? the politicians will have to abide by it too...
it really isn't clear to me that people against it have rational reasons to not want it.
the medicare cuts? that's good right? there's waste in the medicare program cut it.
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Democratic Rep. Lynch Reportedly Calls Health Bill Vote Idea 'Disingenuous'
The controversial plan to approve health care reform without a direct vote doesn't even pass the smell test for one of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's own floor whips, according to the Boston Herald.
Rep. Stephen Lynch, D-Mass., who helps round up votes for the leadership, told the Herald the plan is "disingenuous" and threatened to vote against it unless he sees changes. Lynch voted for the House health bill last year.
"It would really call into question the credibility of the House," Lynch said, according to the Herald.
He was referring to a plan to use a parliamentary maneuver that would allow the House to simultaneously approve the Senate bill while voting on a package of changes to it. This would "deem" the Senate bill to be passed, without compelling members to vote for it directly.
Democratic leaders are considering the option because many House Democrats don't want to cast a vote in favor of the unaltered Senate bill, which they oppose for numerous reasons. But the House must pass the Senate bill in order to move on to the package of changes intended to correct all the things about it that they don't like.
The esoteric procedure has drawn fierce protest from Republicans, who say Democrats are trying to avoid accountability. But some Democrats argue that the procedure has been used plenty of times before, and that there will be no doubt about where lawmakers stand on health care reform in the end.
I wish both parties were like this until the National debt was resolved. Our cash would be worth so much more.
Hmm, gets me thinking(out loud). The new regulations of needing a passport to go into Canada(get back in the US from Canada)...
Making it more difficult for us to get back in the U.S. from Canada, in order that the average Joe doesn't see how much the Canadian dollar is worth compared to ours.
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