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Staged... The entire thing was staged. I actually watched the whole speech... and while I thought it was a good speech, I found the reactions almost scripted.
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I have to agree with Relentless on this one. The Repubs needed some kind of stagecraft to take the push away from Obama.
Not saying I support it, but from their point of view something had to interrupt the momentum he was trying to rebuild.
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Nothing new Obama is not the type you are afraid to do something like Mr. Wilson did to him.
I thought it showed extremely bad taste but you have to consider the source.
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Wilson raises more than $200,000 after outburst
(CNN) -- Less than a day after Rep. Joe Wilson formally apologized to President Obama over his "you lie" outburst, a campaign aide confirms that the South Carolina Republican has raised "more than $200,000" in the wake of the now-infamous moment.
News of that cash haul comes after Wilson directly asked in a Web video for campaign cash to fend off attacks from political opponents and said he's standing by his opposition to Democratic efforts at health care reform.
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The appeal for cash came as Wilson's Democratic opponent in next year's congressional race, Rob Miller, reported raking in $750,000 as a result of the outburst during President Obama's address to a joint session of Congress.
Miller ran against Wilson last year, losing by 8 percentage points. It was Wilson's smallest margin of victory in his five elections for Congress.
In an e-mail to supporters Thursday night, Miller said he is aiming to top over $1 million in the next 24 hours, a total that dwarfs the $67,000 he has took in during the entire first half of the year.
quote:Originally posted by SeekingFreedom: Wilson raises more than $200,000 after outburst
(CNN) -- Less than a day after Rep. Joe Wilson formally apologized to President Obama over his "you lie" outburst, a campaign aide confirms that the South Carolina Republican has raised "more than $200,000" in the wake of the now-infamous moment.
News of that cash haul comes after Wilson directly asked in a Web video for campaign cash to fend off attacks from political opponents and said he's standing by his opposition to Democratic efforts at health care reform.
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The appeal for cash came as Wilson's Democratic opponent in next year's congressional race, Rob Miller, reported raking in $750,000 as a result of the outburst during President Obama's address to a joint session of Congress.
Miller ran against Wilson last year, losing by 8 percentage points. It was Wilson's smallest margin of victory in his five elections for Congress.
In an e-mail to supporters Thursday night, Miller said he is aiming to top over $1 million in the next 24 hours, a total that dwarfs the $67,000 he has took in during the entire first half of the year.
What a scumbag. No surprise SF likes it. He must since he posted it. Maybe Wilson can hookup with Sanford, and that scumbag Repub from Cali and all head down to South America to hook up with some more babes? Prolly be a good use for his campaign funds. Because none of the 3 will ever hold public office again. Smoke if ya got em is the motto I guess. Oh and just for SF (shrug).
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quote:The appeal for cash came as Wilson's Democratic opponent in next year's congressional race, Rob Miller, reported raking in $750,000 as a result of the outburst during President Obama's address to a joint session of Congress.
quote:Originally posted by SeekingFreedom: Wilson raises more than $200,000 after outburst
(CNN) -- Less than a day after Rep. Joe Wilson formally apologized to President Obama over his "you lie" outburst, a campaign aide confirms that the South Carolina Republican has raised "more than $200,000" in the wake of the now-infamous moment.
News of that cash haul comes after Wilson directly asked in a Web video for campaign cash to fend off attacks from political opponents and said he's standing by his opposition to Democratic efforts at health care reform.
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The appeal for cash came as Wilson's Democratic opponent in next year's congressional race, Rob Miller, reported raking in $750,000 as a result of the outburst during President Obama's address to a joint session of Congress.
Miller ran against Wilson last year, losing by 8 percentage points. It was Wilson's smallest margin of victory in his five elections for Congress.
In an e-mail to supporters Thursday night, Miller said he is aiming to top over $1 million in the next 24 hours, a total that dwarfs the $67,000 he has took in during the entire first half of the year.
What a scumbag. No surprise SF likes it. He must since he posted it. Maybe Wilson can hookup with Sanford, and that scumbag Repub from Cali and all head down to South America to hook up with some more babes? Prolly be a good use for his campaign funds. Because none of the 3 will ever hold public office again. Smoke if ya got em is the motto I guess. Oh and just for SF (shrug).
I'm not sure I see... or anyone can see how your comments are in any way referencing the quote you posted. He tried to raise funds to help him fend off attacks... That makes him a scumbag that is going to Mexico to find girls? Astounding... You could have posted that he has been paid $750,000 from insurance companies, doctors and hospitals... you could of said that.. then said scum bag... could have... but you didn't Perplexing
Tell you what.. Allstocks is really running thin on the Lefty talent these days.
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quote:Originally posted by T e x: is this being overlooked?
quote:The appeal for cash came as Wilson's Democratic opponent in next year's congressional race, Rob Miller, reported raking in $750,000 as a result of the outburst during President Obama's address to a joint session of Congress.
that's nearly 4:1 against the "outburst."
As it should be, Tex. I don't care what you think of the President or his speech, he is due a certain amount of respect due to his office and that respect includes listening politely while he speaks. Say what you will after he's done, but don't interrupt while he's talking.
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this is why Obama is such a great leader he has done nothing stupid he is letting nature take its course. I personaly love Obama and think he is one of the finest Presidents this country has had.
Now for all of you who dislike him in his speach did you hear his comment about pre existing conditions how it will be against the law people have to be excepted. My friends that was the line in the sand that itself is one of the main issues that the isurers don't want to change and will fight like crazy people to keep it like it is.. That issue alone is where Obama is telling all the poor the people that could only donate $25.00 to his presidential race and the etremely poor that voted for him that I am with you and not giving in to big money and it is war from now on he threw down the glove with that statement and god bless him. Now its time to support him all of you that agree with him.
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...one of the finest Presidents this country has had.
lil' early for that, imo. Potential? Sure. But he really hasn't handled very well 1) selling his vision of the health-care revamp, including reaction to the haters or 2) explaining the width and depth of the urgently necessary market reform.
It's Wilson's opponent who reported raising the $750k--no violins on TV.
Different 750K... Wilson got it during his last campaign from medical insurance companies and the sort... Forget where I read it... Saw it yesterday while zooming around the net.
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It's Wilson's opponent who reported raising the $750k--no violins on TV.
Different 750K... Wilson got it during his last campaign from medical insurance companies and the sort... Forget where I read it... Saw it yesterday while zooming around the net.
That's good info--wonder if the latest $200k donors are aware of that?
quote:Originally posted by SeekingFreedom: Wilson raises more than $200,000 after outburst
(CNN) -- Less than a day after Rep. Joe Wilson formally apologized to President Obama over his "you lie" outburst, a campaign aide confirms that the South Carolina Republican has raised "more than $200,000" in the wake of the now-infamous moment.
News of that cash haul comes after Wilson directly asked in a Web video for campaign cash to fend off attacks from political opponents and said he's standing by his opposition to Democratic efforts at health care reform.
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The appeal for cash came as Wilson's Democratic opponent in next year's congressional race, Rob Miller, reported raking in $750,000 as a result of the outburst during President Obama's address to a joint session of Congress.
Miller ran against Wilson last year, losing by 8 percentage points. It was Wilson's smallest margin of victory in his five elections for Congress.
In an e-mail to supporters Thursday night, Miller said he is aiming to top over $1 million in the next 24 hours, a total that dwarfs the $67,000 he has took in during the entire first half of the year.
What a scumbag. No surprise SF likes it. He must since he posted it. Maybe Wilson can hookup with Sanford, and that scumbag Repub from Cali and all head down to South America to hook up with some more babes? Prolly be a good use for his campaign funds. Because none of the 3 will ever hold public office again. Smoke if ya got em is the motto I guess. Oh and just for SF (shrug).
I'm not sure I see... or anyone can see how your comments are in any way referencing the quote you posted. He tried to raise funds to help him fend off attacks... That makes him a scumbag that is going to Mexico to find girls? Astounding... You could have posted that he has been paid $750,000 from insurance companies, doctors and hospitals... you could of said that.. then said scum bag... could have... but you didn't Perplexing
Tell you what.. Allstocks is really running thin on the Lefty talent these days.
Your geography knowledge blows. mexico is Central America. I said plainly South America. Again, I know you already confessed to a reading deficiency, but try to keep up. I was speaking of those 3 fools and they're utter lack of morals. But you knew that. Grow up, and take off the blinders.
Btw, after reading several of your inane posts, I have come to a conclusion. You are not a righty or a lefty. You are an Anarchist. Good luck with that!
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ummm.. but what does any of that have to do with your incoherent comments? He's a scum bag for raising funds? I know you won't actually answer.. obviously you can't... And yes I am a bit of an anarchist I suppose.. survival of the fittest and all... Somewhat of a history here on good ole earth.
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quote:Originally posted by Relentless.: ummm.. but what does any of that have to do with your incoherent comments? He's a scum bag for raising funds? I know you won't actually answer.. obviously you can't... And yes I am a bit of an anarchist I suppose.. survival of the fittest and all... Somewhat of a history here on good ole earth.
First of LMAO! Your snide comments are lame and idiotic. But you know that. I said he was a scumbag for his actions, and then trying to benefit from it. He would not need to defend himself if he wasn't such an idiot. Think what ya want. I couldn't care less about your ignorant babble. You twisted my post...you twisted glassman's post, thats all your good for. And that sure ain't much.
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I have yet to twist anyone's post... I assure you Glass would have said something... I merely asked you a question... Now you've fallen off the edge. I don't deny he's a scum bag... as you'll now know from reading many of my posts I know them all to be scum bags...
You sure are defensive.
So, to continue, he's a scum bag for calling the president a liar? But Obama is a liar... It's proven fact. So he's a scum bag because he's openly honest in calling a liar a liar... Again... perplexing.
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quote:Originally posted by SeekingFreedom: As it should be, Tex. I don't care what you think of the President or his speech, he is due a certain amount of respect due to his office and that respect includes listening politely while he speaks. Say what you will after he's done, but don't interrupt while he's talking.
I find this post ironic considering what you are trying to defend in the other thread.
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Whoa! I wanna hear this too! Enlighten me Relentless.
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quote:Originally posted by SeekingFreedom: As it should be, Tex. I don't care what you think of the President or his speech, he is due a certain amount of respect due to his office and that respect includes listening politely while he speaks. Say what you will after he's done, but don't interrupt while he's talking.
I find this post ironic considering what you are trying to defend in the other thread.
How so, Big? I fully give the President the respect of sharing what he wants to say TO ME or any other adult. I just want him to lay off my kids. I think Wilson was absolutely out of line to interrupt. Had he waited till after the speach and got on the TV and called the President a liar I'd have cheered him on.
Timing was the issue. Not opinion.
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looking over that list, though, no smoking gun jumps out.
personal example: if someone were to parse my posts here, on only one message board, dating back only to '05? I could be made to look pretty bad, inconsistent, etc.
Yeah, I know: this is *not* about me...but that's an easy, quick example.
It *would* be fun to run across a successful pol whose record is completely straight, verifiable and consistent from day one...but, then, it's fun to pretend, too.
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Oh I understand and take that into account... The guy is on stage or under the gun for pretty much 12 years or more... natural inconsistencies will emerge.. He's not a robot. But there are some fairly decent lies in those lists.. The bit about his religion.. Blackwater... Campaign promises...
He's a politician.. It's not a monstrous leap to think he lies...
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quote:Originally posted by SeekingFreedom: [QUOTE]Originally posted by The Bigfoot: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by SeekingFreedom: [qb] he is due a certain amount of respect due to his office and that respect includes listening politely while he speaks. Say what you will after he's done
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quote:Originally posted by Relentless.: Oh I understand and take that into account... The guy is on stage or under the gun for pretty much 12 years or more... natural inconsistencies will emerge.. He's not a robot. But there are some fairly decent lies in those lists.. The bit about his religion.. Blackwater... Campaign promises...
He's a politician.. It's not a monstrous leap to think he lies...
well, it seems to me peeps are unduly parsing... for example, W got a pass (somehow) on *all those* outrageous gaffes in which he sounded kinda like he must've been dropped on his head, early on--until finally it was clear that he had no business running the country.
Now...religion? Back to my personal examples: if I were gonna run? I gotta tell ya, I would *not* know how to "position" myself. I have no problem with a populace who identifies itself as Christian: I pray, myself. And those prayers might sound "Christian"...to, God save me, to "real Christians." But I also don't have a problem with "real Bhuddists." Whether my private thoughts would resonate, I dunno...but I suspect they would; same with "true Muslims" and "real Jews"...etc etc. Lately, I've been running with a gal who identifies as Pagan.
Fine by me.
The more we talk, the more we see similarities between her Paganism and my Toltec structures.
Imagine that matrix as a campaign manager's headache.
Yet, I would make a good candidate/public servant, if you catch my drift...
Blackwater? seems like he had an OK take
Campaign promises? he's got a hard on for health care, as advertised. Me, I woulda gone after market regulation first.
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Blackwater? Didn't they get removed from Iraq because they sprayed bullets and ended up having to change their name?
No lie there.
A lot of so called lies because he said the wrong name or had an inaccurate number in his head
Some childhood stuff that could or could not be true, we will never know. I will admit I think he had some early childhood education in a Muslim tradition but I that has nothing to do with now. He isn't a Muslim.
Good gravy there is a lot of crap in this list Relentless. The guy doesn't even give him a gimme for falling of the wagon while trying to quit smoking and uses a childhood essay titled "Why I want to be President" to prove a long term plan was in place.
I am not sure I can read much more of this tonight. I still don't see any lies within his campaign promises but perhaps I haven't gotten there yet.
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i wonder how long before we have a fist fight in congress? they have 'em in other countries.
this is not IMO about people calling each other names.
this is about whether we are civilised or not.
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May 22, 1856 The Caning of Senator Charles Sumner
On May 22, 1856, the "world's greatest deliberative body" became a combat zone. In one of the most dramatic and deeply ominous moments in the Senate's entire history, a member of the House of Representatives entered the Senate chamber and savagely beat a senator into unconsciousness.
The inspiration for this clash came three days earlier when Senator Charles Sumner, a Massachusetts antislavery Republican, addressed the Senate on the explosive issue of whether Kansas should be admitted to the Union as a slave state or a free state. In his "Crime Against Kansas" speech, Sumner identified two Democratic senators as the principal culprits in this crime—Stephen Douglas of Illinois and Andrew Butler of South Carolina. He characterized Douglas to his face as a "noise-some, squat, and nameless animal . . . not a proper model for an American senator." Andrew Butler, who was not present, received more elaborate treatment. Mocking the South Carolina senator's stance as a man of chivalry, the Massachusetts senator charged him with taking "a mistress . . . who, though ugly to others, is always lovely to him; though polluted in the sight of the world, is chaste in his sight—I mean," added Sumner, "the harlot, Slavery."
Representative Preston Brooks was Butler's South Carolina kinsman. If he had believed Sumner to be a gentleman, he might have challenged him to a duel. Instead, he chose a light cane of the type used to discipline unruly dogs. Shortly after the Senate had adjourned for the day, Brooks entered the old chamber, where he found Sumner busily attaching his postal frank to copies of his "Crime Against Kansas" speech.
Moving quickly, Brooks slammed his metal-topped cane onto the unsuspecting Sumner's head. As Brooks struck again and again, Sumner rose and lurched blindly about the chamber, futilely attempting to protect himself. After a very long minute, it ended.
Bleeding profusely, Sumner was carried away. Brooks walked calmly out of the chamber without being detained by the stunned onlookers. Overnight, both men became heroes in their respective regions.
Surviving a House censure resolution, Brooks resigned, was immediately reelected, and soon thereafter died at age 37. Sumner recovered slowly and returned to the Senate, where he remained for another 18 years. The nation, suffering from the breakdown of reasoned discourse that this event symbolized, tumbled onward toward the catastrophe of civil war.
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