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Pennsylvania Sen. Arlen Specter will switch his party affiliation from Republican to Democrat and announced today that he will run in 2010 as a Democrat, according to a statement he released this morning.
Specter's decision would give Democrats a 60 seat filibuster proof majority in the Senate assuming Democrat Al Franken is eventually sworn in as the next Senator from Minnesota. (Former Sen. Norm Coleman is appealing Franken's victory in the state Supreme Court.)
"I have decided to run for re-election in 2010 in the Democratic primary," said Specter in a statement. "I am ready, willing and anxious to take on all comers and have my candidacy for re-election determined in a general election."
He added: "Since my election in 1980, as part of the Reagan Big Tent, the Republican Party has moved far to the right. Last year, more than 200,000 Republicans in Pennsylvania changed their registration to become Democrats. I now find my political philosophy more in line with Democrats than Republicans."
MSNBC's David Shuster, in the video above, relayed the information that Specter reached the decision because he realized that his vote for the stimulus package had irrevocably breached his relationship with the increasingly wingnutty Republican base, and that he was no longer willing to submit himself to the judgment of that base in the GOP primary. Smart move.
Of course, now that he's a Democrat, don't expect any miracles. Reportedly, he still intends to vote against cloture on the Employee Free Choice Act ...
UPDATE: Here's Specter's statement:
When I supported the stimulus package, I knew that it would not be popular with the Republican Party. But, I saw the stimulus as necessary to lessen the risk of a far more serious recession than we are now experiencing.
Since then, I have traveled the State, talked to Republican leaders and office-holders and my supporters and I have carefully examined public opinion. It has become clear to me that the stimulus vote caused a schism which makes our differences irreconcilable. On this state of the record, I am unwilling to have my twenty-nine year Senate record judged by the Pennsylvania Republican primary electorate. I have not represented the Republican Party. I have represented the people of Pennsylvania.
I have decided to run for re-election in 2010 in the Democratic primary.
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Gonna be interesting to see how the Dem's react to total control. All the legislation passed will be owned by them, guess well find out if they have the stomach for it.
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quote:Originally posted by Lockman: Gonna be interesting to see how the Dem's react to total control. All the legislation passed will be owned by them, guess well find out if they have the stomach for it.
stomach for it? they are licking their chops...
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You post enough topics lately bashing Republicans raybond? my goodness.
As to A. Specter, he is on an agenda. He didnt switch because he really wanted to go he did because he is afraid of losing his power in the next race.
This is all fine, the Democrats are going to lose badly in 2010 after all this crap that has been going on.
Look at what the White House authorized yesterday....the whole NYC flyover with fighter jets...all for a PHOTO OP of Air Force One over the statue of Liberty.
Give me a freaking break! If that happened on Bush's watch this allstocks "off topic" board would be swarming on him. The only thing on topic around here is a far left leaning push.
Everyone knows it. If that flyover would have happened while Bush was in office all hell would break lose. Obama says "sorry wont happen again" and everyone says...oh its ok Obama. We now have my former Gov Kathleen Sebelius in office now. A MAJOR pro-abortion candidate. She didnt do much for Kansas except help push late term abortion protection, and raise taxes (typical).
Once America see's that this "change" isnt really what they bought into after the kool aid was passed around there will be a balance.
Too much power on the left now, we need to be in the middle. Dem Pres, Rep Cong. If not then a Dem cong and Rep Pres. It is the only way to have balance. Mark this post. Welfare bills will come in earnest, taxes go up, NEW taxes are introduced, consumers foot the bill, small business does not get assistance unless they are "green" in product, and amnesty.
BTW how many border jumpers that are coming through the fences do you think have the swine flu?
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Arlen Specter just switched to Democrat dude.
if anything we are headed way more left than we are now.
i don't see 2010 as a change... 2012 is possible from where we are now, but inless something really big happens? 2010 is way soon to look for change...
the GOP held sway in congress for about 12 years.... expect at least 6 for change.
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I know A-S just changed to the right. What im saying is come election time people are going to be over their Obama-fever and get back to issues they care about such as having a 15% death tax rate instead of a 49% that Obama wants.
Guns are going to really hurt the dems, even though they arent talking about them YET...people are seeing who is in office.
Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Hillary Clinton, Kathleen Sebelius, Barney Frank....this is as left as it comes hands down. This is worse than Bush's old crew of power.
Oh, and wait till tubby Al Franken gets in if he does....its going to be the biggest liberal Democrat parade on the USA there has ever been. Gay favortism, taxes, anti-gun, pro-abortion, bigger government involvement, etc
When was government running anything ever a success? They want to run something as big as health care and think they can do a good job at it? How many more czars do we need? Do we REALLY need a CAR CZAR...I mean cmon.
We need to get rid of Homeland Security, what a joke. People, we have enough agencies as it is to blow hundreds of billions more. They said HS spends hundreds of millions of dollars per year on OFFICE SUPPLIES! WTF!
Change.....9 trillion in debt and blaming Bush for all of it.
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When was government running anything ever a success?
comeon now i know you don't mean that.
i can go on for days about what your and my country has done for us,
it's not nearly as bad as the "new right" is making it out to be (YET)... i won't start beaching till it is. there's alot of stuff i don't like and don' care for but i checked a few minutes ago and i can still become a millionaire here if want to
as for the death tax? i already saw those rates take alotta money here.
those rates are needed to pay the spending that was done before Obama,,,
why should the GOP get another chnce to do the right thing before the Dems do at this point?
the GOP admits it lost it's way...
be patient... the screwups will come, they always do from all people.. we're just human after all
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I know what our country has done for us, but those glory days sure seem to be fading. Hopefully they will come back.
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yeah, i know, but i ain't giving up on the US just yet. and i'm plenty P'Oed at the eldest baby boomers for leaving us youngers a place that looks a hooker convention was held here when an aircraft carrier pulled into port
it could be worse, Hillary coulda been elected
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HA,HA,HA 60 seats thank you republicans lets see you force a few more out of your ranks after all it was your ever loving brains that gave us the first depression. I have to say you really showed Specter how things were going to be.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: it could be worse, Hillary coulda been elected
Or worse yet....McPain!
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Air Force One Fly over $386,000.00 OOOps it won't happen again. HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
Once level headed Dem's realize that they are going to be on the hook for all the socialistic/marxist policies of this administration we might just see some Dem's jumping ship to the party of reason.
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quote:Originally posted by Lockman: Air Force One Fly over $386,000.00 OOOps it won't happen again. HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
Once level headed Dem's realize that they are going to be on the hook for all the socialistic/marxist policies of this administration we might just see some Dem's jumping ship to the party of reason.
here's the "thing" lock,
that photoop was in NYC. it didn't register anywhere else.
the 386K? [yawn] isn't that about what HAL was getting every second of every day for years on their no-bid contracts? OK, mayb 2 seconds
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Lockman, The only people labeling the policies Obama has been implementing so far as socialist and marxist are the folks who would never have voted Dem in the first place.
And what do I care about the Estate tax CCM? Gotta have over 3.5 Mill before you get taxed this year, no estate tax at all next year, and in 2011 it resets to a paltry 1 Mill exemption before you pay any estate tax at all.
Silly to be getting worked up about something that only effects the top 10% of our nations population in any meaningful way. Anyone who has the wealth to be affected by this tax has the accountant to help em get out from under it if they just can't stand the thought of helping our nation pay its debts. (That said, I do think the exemption figure should be cemented at something like 2 Mill and then tagged to inflation. All this jumping about just gives politico's more numbers to confuse the issue with.)
Oh...and yeah...the fly-by was a major goof and I hope someone on the publicity and marketing team gets canned.
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quote:Originally posted by The Bigfoot: Lockman, The only people labeling the policies Obama has been implementing so far as socialist and marxist are the folks who would never have voted Dem in the first place.
And what do I care about the Estate tax CCM? Gotta have over 3.5 Mill before you get taxed this year, no estate tax at all next year, and in 2011 it resets to a paltry 1 Mill exemption before you pay any estate tax at all.
Silly to be getting worked up about something that only effects the top 10% of our nations population in any meaningful way. Anyone who has the wealth to be affected by this tax has the accountant to help em get out from under it if they just can't stand the thought of helping our nation pay its debts. (That said, I do think the exemption figure should be cemented at something like 2 Mill and then tagged to inflation. All this jumping about just gives politico's more numbers to confuse the issue with.)
Oh...and yeah...the fly-by was a major goof and I hope someone on the publicity and marketing team gets canned.
CCM seems to go for shock value with the headlines. he seems not to read the full story. Or reads only those headlines from Fox. Obama was not even involved in the flyby decision. That was, as you said, the WH PR dept making that decision. And as reported in reputable news sources, Obama has called for an investigation into the matter.
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quote:Originally posted by The Bigfoot: Lockman, The only people labeling the policies Obama has been implementing so far as socialist and marxist are the folks who would never have voted Dem in the first place.
And what do I care about the Estate tax CCM? Gotta have over 3.5 Mill before you get taxed this year, no estate tax at all next year, and in 2011 it resets to a paltry 1 Mill exemption before you pay any estate tax at all.
Silly to be getting worked up about something that only effects the top 10% of our nations population in any meaningful way. Anyone who has the wealth to be affected by this tax has the accountant to help em get out from under it if they just can't stand the thought of helping our nation pay its debts. (That said, I do think the exemption figure should be cemented at something like 2 Mill and then tagged to inflation. All this jumping about just gives politico's more numbers to confuse the issue with.)
Oh...and yeah...the fly-by was a major goof and I hope someone on the publicity and marketing team gets canned.
CCM seems to go for shock value with the headlines. he seems not to read the full story. Or reads only those headlines from Fox. Obama was not even involved in the flyby decision. That was, as you said, the WH PR dept making that decision. And as reported in reputable news sources, Obama has called for an investigation into the matter.
Let see here $386,000.00 for the fly over and probably another 1 million for the investigation. Well the printing presses are running so what's another 1.3 mil.
Obama is the president is he not? Something about a buck stopping here.
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quote:Originally posted by The Bigfoot: Lockman, The only people labeling the policies Obama has been implementing so far as socialist and marxist are the folks who would never have voted Dem in the first place.
And what do I care about the Estate tax CCM? Gotta have over 3.5 Mill before you get taxed this year, no estate tax at all next year, and in 2011 it resets to a paltry 1 Mill exemption before you pay any estate tax at all.
Silly to be getting worked up about something that only effects the top 10% of our nations population in any meaningful way. Anyone who has the wealth to be affected by this tax has the accountant to help em get out from under it if they just can't stand the thought of helping our nation pay its debts. (That said, I do think the exemption figure should be cemented at something like 2 Mill and then tagged to inflation. All this jumping about just gives politico's more numbers to confuse the issue with.)
Oh...and yeah...the fly-by was a major goof and I hope someone on the publicity and marketing team gets canned.
Big, What is not socialistic about government ownership of banks and public companies. And where are all these jobs the stimulus package was going to generate? So far the stimulus has just added more people to the government reliant list.
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You are confusing Obama with his predecessor Lockman. TARP and the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 are both Bush babies. Obama is stress testing the banks to see if he can accept the cash back from some of the bigger banks without causing further damage.
Could you please cite examples of where the stimulus has added more people to the government reliant list? All I've seen so far is a lot of sewer work up my direction.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: as an artist? i know what they were trying to do...
they wanted AF1 with the NYC skyline ....
386 grand is not that expensive for "good art"
they should have just made a big announcement 'fore they dundidit...
bet i can find some pix that others have done that cost more if it was worth my time
They could have just hired a good graphic artist and photo shopped the whole thing and saved about $383,000 bucks (so far). Have 'em put AF1 orbiting the moon for christ sake, I certainly don't care that it's fake, it's PR. What a bunch of B.S.
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w/o the bailouits? i can almost garantee you we'd be in bread lines.
fact is? the bailouts and the need for them fully rest on Bush and Cheney's shoulders.
to blame Obama for this mess is to show the heights of POLITICAL bigotry.
it's a luxury that the GOP was not in charge of congress in that they can take th epolitical position they have. had they been in charge? we'd have had the same outcome with the dems beaching
Bush left the door to the chicken coop open and Clinton is the one that opened it, or more properly allowed Sentor Gramm and his buds to open it. the weasels got in and drank every drop of blood they could.
we've been robbed.
the moneys will be collected by the taxpayer IF we doo not collapse that's the plan.
i feel more comfortable that we won't fail, but i am seeing people spending less which is bad for the economy.
even women wearing expensive shoes, clothes and purses are buying less expensive peices at the festivals and shows i've been working
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: as an artist? i know what they were trying to do...
they wanted AF1 with the NYC skyline ....
386 grand is not that expensive for "good art"
they should have just made a big announcement 'fore they dundidit...
bet i can find some pix that others have done that cost more if it was worth my time
They could have just hired a good graphic artist and photo shopped the whole thing and saved about $383,000 bucks (so far). Have 'em put AF1 orbiting the moon for christ sake, I certainly don't care that it's fake, it's PR. What a bunch of B.S.
then someone would complain that they "faked" it
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I love it...Bush or Halliburton make mistakes and its like the meat grinder comes on. Obama starts F'n up and its no big deal. Double standard all the way.
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I don't know history as well as I should...but given what I do know, I can't think of a single president who has inherited a bigger mess than Obama has.
Sure, sure...every generation naturally thinks its slice in history is unique. But think about it: Washington, the Revolution; Lincoln, the Civil War; Roosevelt, the Depression...
and on through WW II... (and of course Clinton and the BJ, lol)
But those were, relatively speaking, single-issue focus points. These days, it's not as if Alexander gets bored because he's conquered the known world.
The "scenario" we're in is the most complicated to date--in human history.
quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: You post enough topics lately bashing Republicans raybond? my goodness.
No different then your Dem/Obama bashing threads of the past few months... oh how easily you forget recent history... stop Mooing... go eat some grass and lay some cow pies... chill and relax... Glass is right that the stimulus package stopped us from going to bread lines...
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How did the stimulus stop us from going to the bread lines?
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But with CDOs, CDSs thrown into the mix of no regulation, leverage and margin was abused to an all-time high. The stimulus buys time to unwind and back-out.
You ever shoot high-stakes pool? Can you imagine what would happen in say, a $1,000 game if the loser wound up having only $50 in his pocket?
That's what happened here, only it was billion$ and trillion$...
we bought time with it for all the players to get ready to accept the huge losses over a period of a few years.
the bread lines would have happened because farmers use CREDIT CARDS to buy 100's of thousands to millions of dollars of seed fertiliser and weed killer each year...
i seen 'em many times whip out the master card for close to a million dollars and swipe the card thru the machine- no lie.
then? you have the trucking co's . they are all running on credit for thier trucks, their fuel, and their payroll. everybody is running on margin these day...
the stores? they do it too they don't even own much of what is on their shelves, the LENDERS do !
credit was GONE! we have a just in time economy these days...
grains are stored for market and we have reserves of grain but almost all processed food goods in our store shelves are less than 60 days old..
our store shelves would not have had food on them... it wouldn't matter if you have a million dollars cash. you'd been buying it on the black market with/for cash only within weeks, maybe less than two weeks. as soon as the peole get nervous? they can wipe out a whole grocery store in hours. i've seen it happen for hurricanes. the store has no more credit? they cannot restock.
then there's the people that would have been hijacking the trucks and even the rail cars disrupting what food was being moved. and i have to admit that if the stores didn't have any food on the shelves? i myself would be finding it wherever it is to feed my people.
we came close to that. the banks leveraged out as much 60 to one that we know of and th etruth is usually worse than the broadcast news reports in cases like this.
they had to put this money into the system to save the system.
our system has real problems, but we still enjoy the the most abundanly successful society for it's size in world history. but it does balance on a fine edge, and we have only 60 day sof "grace" in htis sytem. we do not plan for th efuture very well.
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I don't understand why the right complains about Obama as much as they do or why the left seems to think he is doing such a great job. There has been really no change. He has done nothing that republicans wouldn't have done.
Bailouts? The republicans started that mess and Obama just continued it.
NAFTA? Both parties screwed the pooch with this pile of garbage (Ross Perot WAS right). In my opinion, this destroyed Detroit and southeast Michigan. Now it may screw our farmers because of Canada's jump on the agreement with Columbia. Thank you GW I and Bill Clinton!
Health care reform? Has this even been in the news in any serious light lately? WHERE IS IT????? Here is some news for you lefties-It ain't gonna happen in any real meaningful way. It was a bunch of BS that lefties wanted to hear and they heard it. The election is over, the Dem won and now he has no need to bother with this any more. He'll use the economy as his way of getting himself out of this for now.
Fluid border with Mexico? Neither party wants to stop this influx. What they really want (both parties) is open borders all the way from the Arctic circle to the southernmost tip of South America? Why? It seems obvious to me, how about you?
War in Iraq and the closing of Gitmo? What a joke! Who wants to bet we will be in Iraq the whole time Obama is president? Afghanistan? We will be there for a while too, and Bin Laden will never be caught. Why? While the government is spending money on wars, large corporations are making huge money and funneling that back into the pockets of politicians (both dem and pub). The closing of Gitmo was only symbolic. We have plenty of other prisons abroad where the same things go on. Gitmo was only closed because it was in the news so much and it gives people the warm fuzzy feeling that it's all furry kittens and fuzzy bunnies for "detainees."
Green energy? Who is buying this? Global warming or not, the oil industry owns a large part of both parties. I'll bet a large part of both parties own a lot of Exxon-Mobile and Chevron. How are those green energy stocks doing for everyone????? How about Exxon-Mobile posting the highest 1 quarter profit in the history of Wall Street? It's not just pubs who own stock in oil companies!
This can go on. The way I see it, the only things that will change are laws involving "moral" issues (gay marriage, abortion, etc.)
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quote:Originally posted by rhwdetroit: Fluid border with Mexico? Neither party wants to stop this influx. What they really want (both parties) is open borders all the way from the Arctic circle to the southernmost tip of South America? Why? It seems obvious to me, how about you?
excellent point.
anybody wondering hwy they will close schools and encourage telecommuting but not close the borders?
thats a load of crap.
i know for fact that in a pandemic they have plans to close down (US) state borders and interrupt interstate travel on the interstate hwys, but close th e border and stop the profits gained from screwing over labor? never...
there is only one goal
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Green energy? Who is buying this? Global warming or not, the oil industry owns a large part of both parties. I'll bet a large part of both parties own a lot of Exxon-Mobile and Chevron. How are those green energy stocks doing for everyone????? How about Exxon-Mobile posting the highest 1 quarter profit in the history of Wall Street? It's not just pubs who own stock in oil companies!
this i can answer.
my wife is a genetic engineer. we are so close to being able to do almost anything we want in bio-tech that the oil co's have no choice but to diversify. we have decoded so many important DNA sequences that we are way behind on matching up each sequence with its actual job.
in one day, any give day int eh next five years somebody will find the "magic bullet" and it will be a huge money maker, and the business will grow just lik the computer business did only with more money to be made.
we may even be able to make enough oil to replace half the "pumped" oil in th enext 20 years. i know that sounds like a long time, but it will take a long time to build the "fermenters" that can do it.
the oil co's will buy into this and they can not stop it.
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NAFTA? Both parties screwed the pooch with this pile of garbage (Ross Perot WAS right). In my opinion, this destroyed Detroit and southeast Michigan. Now it may screw our farmers because of Canada's jump on the agreement with Columbia. Thank you GW I and Bill Clinton!
NAFTA can work it just needs to be reformed so it is "equal" to all 3 countries and not be tilting to one or the other more.
quote:Health care reform? Has this even been in the news in any serious light lately? WHERE IS IT????? Here is some news for you lefties-It ain't gonna happen in any real meaningful way. It was a bunch of BS that lefties wanted to hear and they heard it. The election is over, the Dem won and now he has no need to bother with this any more. He'll use the economy as his way of getting himself out of this for now.
Problem with you and Americans in general is that are impatient and want a cure right now for everything: Economy, Health, Education etc. He has only been in office more or less for a little over 3 months for christsakes.
quote:Fluid border with Mexico? Neither party wants to stop this influx. What they really want (both parties) is open borders all the way from the Arctic circle to the southernmost tip of South America? Why? It seems obvious to me, how about you?
Seems you/Americans only want the flow of good and services going one way and not both ways.
quote:War in Iraq and the closing of Gitmo? What a joke! Who wants to bet we will be in Iraq the whole time Obama is president? Afghanistan? We will be there for a while too, and Bin Laden will never be caught.
Didn't we already withdraw some troops from Iraq? As for Afghanistan, we'll why should we leave there anytime soon. Iraq was wrong and Afghanistan was right. It's pretty obvious why.
quote: Why? While the government is spending money on wars, large corporations are making huge money and funneling that back into the pockets of politicians (both dem and pub). The closing of Gitmo was only symbolic. We have plenty of other prisons abroad where the same things go on. Gitmo was only closed because it was in the news so much and it gives people the warm fuzzy feeling that it's all furry kittens and fuzzy bunnies for "detainees."
Conspiracy theories eh? Keeping such bases a "secret" is not very realistic if they exist. Especially with the world wide press/media hounding every corner of the earth. Hell, even Area 51 isn't a secret lol
quote:Green energy? Who is buying this? Global warming or not, the oil industry owns a large part of both parties. I'll bet a large part of both parties own a lot of Exxon-Mobile and Chevron. How are those green energy stocks doing for everyone????? How about Exxon-Mobile posting the highest 1 quarter profit in the history of Wall Street? It's not just pubs who own stock in oil companies!
The oil companies already see the writing on the wall and know they have to diversify to bio fuels etc. Will they profit if they enter that field? Of course they will. It would be stupid of them not to and there is nothing wrong with them doing so if it benefits us from being reliant on oil.
quote:This can go on. The way I see it, the only things that will change are laws involving "moral" issues (gay marriage, abortion, etc.)
I hate so called moral issues because it shoves every persons' "morals" down everyone elses throats. These so called issues should be an individuals' own personal choices. Seems to this day people can't get the concept of Separation of Church and State.
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NAFTA can work it just needs to be reformed so it is "equal" to all 3 countries and not be tilting to one or the other more.
comeon Mach you and i both know it was designed to specifically to abuse labor in all three countires.
i listened awhile today to NPR and heard an interesting interview.
it was about a book wirtten by a guy who sounded "correct",but i haven't done any searching to see if his story is verifiable yet (not much free time), he basically said the Mexican govt has been/is owned by some of the drug (as in multiple)cartels who compete, and that the mexican govt officials on the govt payroll are the kidnappers in many cases.
our govt is corrupt, but the Mexican govt makes US look like choirboys. that's why, even WITH NAFTA! so many Mexicans want to come here.
i don't blame the PEOPLE, i blame the govts on both sides for being more about greed than real human progress.
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NAFTA can work it just needs to be reformed so it is "equal" to all 3 countries and not be tilting to one or the other more.
No NAFTA will not work. 3 countries? Yes, for now. NAFTA is garbage, not just for the US but for Mexico also.
Problem with you and Americans in general is that are impatient and want a cure right now for everything: Economy, Health, Education etc. He has only been in office more or less for a little over 3 months for christsakes.
I don't need any "government help" for health care. I have good health care. I don't care about it's cure. However, all the talk from our president during the campaign was "fluff" to get voted into office. I really don't believe there is any serious health care reform that will happen in the next 4 years.
Seems you/Americans only want the flow of good and services going one way and not both ways.
You missed the point of this! It has nothing to do with trade at all! Can't see the forest through the trees?????
Didn't we already withdraw some troops from Iraq? As for Afghanistan, we'll why should we leave there anytime soon. Iraq was wrong and Afghanistan was right. It's pretty obvious why.
Really? Troops leaving Iraq? It's not that many. Afghanistan? Is it worth it? I don't know, ask Russia.
Conspiracy theories eh? Keeping such bases a "secret" is not very realistic if they exist. Especially with the world wide press/media hounding every corner of the earth. Hell, even Area 51 isn't a secret lol
No, it is not a conspiracy theory. It is a fact that there were at least 5 prisons in Iraq (did you forget about Abu Ghraib-it's still being used) still operated by our government. Others have been turned over to the Iraqi's complete with their detainees. What do you think happened to those detainees? They were never freed. Secret? These places were never a secret and have been in the NEWS in the past when the Abu Ghraib incidents came to light.
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