quote:Originally posted by retiredat49: RDQ...what do you expect from someone who's hero is Gordon Gekko...
Actually movie wise Michael Corleone would be more my hero because he ruled like Machiavelli's The Prince as well as the Dalai Lama, Randy Rhoads and David Gilmour of Pink Floyd... but hey what do you know... you seem to think you know me about as much as I think i know you...
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quote:Originally posted by Relentless.: You really are not worth speaking to... Congratulations on being a part of the moron majority. Enjoy your life of blissful confusion.
Wow same thoughts I had about you... must be ESP or deja vu... but like I said no heart... just a mindless azz...
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quote:Originally posted by retiredat49: RDQ...what do you expect from someone who's hero is Gordon Gekko...
Actually movie wise Michael Corleone would be more my hero because he ruled like Machiavelli's The Prince as well as the Dalai Lama, Randy Rhoads and David Gilmour of Pink Floyd... but hey what do you know... you seem to think you know me about as much as I think i know you...
quote:Originally posted by retiredat49: A ruthless prick or a murderer...great choices
I do like David Gilmour though...
Considering what world he was in.... would you have ruled any differently?... but nonetheless we would not understand his world because we are not from that world (or underworld) but has to be admired for how he ruled his world... and kept his power... Ever wonder why Americans have such a fascination with gangsters and such? ... There are many movies about bad guys but gangsters seem to fascinate us most... as for Machiavelli's The Prince... he was right about how to obtain and keep power in a brutal world...
As for David Gilmour.... to me he's a Guitar God by saying less with his playing...
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quote:Originally posted by retiredat49: A ruthless prick or a murderer...great choices
I do like David Gilmour though...
Considering what world he was in.... would you have ruled any differently?... but nonetheless we would not understand his world because we are not from that world (or underworld) but has to be admired for how he ruled his world... and kept his power... Ever wonder why Americans have such a fascination with gangsters and such? ... There are many movies about bad guys but gangsters seem to fascinate us most... as for Machiavelli's The Prince... he was right about how to obtain and keep power in a brutal world...
As for David Gilmour.... to me he's a Guitar God by saying less with his playing...
Guess I'm more of a realist...I have no fascination with or admiration for ruthless punk thugs, that use brutality to impose their will on others...
I do think Gilmour is a decent guitar player. I don't however view him as a "guitar god", in fact I am more impressed with his composition skills than his abilities with a guitar...he is admittedly, not very fast...
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A gun is always the first weapon of choice in killing an innocent.... not explosives and other weapons..
guns are not the most dangerous things on the planet.
in fact, mosquitoes are responsible for millions of deaths of innocent children.
as to weapon of choice? what's the weapon of choice in Britain where guns are tightly controlled and always have been?
The new figures indicate that in the year 2007-8 there were some 277 deaths from stabbings in England & Wales alone (the highest recorded figure for 30 years). This represents an average death toll as a direct result of stabbings of over 5 for every week of the year!
it's almost impossible to find British or Canadian crime statistics that are reliable, they don't report the same way we do...
whether you like it or not? i guns are just a tool, and sick people are going to act out one way or another.
all tools are dangerous, admittedly, the gun has no other uses, but we need to be able to defend ourselves against long odds, and guns are a constitutional right that will not be changed without a lot more deaths than will ever happen with them being legal. that's not a threat, that's the facts. I cannot imagine any trops volunterring to go door to door to collect guns... they would't last long. Even if they beleived they could collect them? there's not nearly enough votes to ammend the constituiton via normal means...
Geccko and Corleone? What about Scarface too? these people are vicious all belonged in jail...
being realistic doesn't mean you set no goals for improvement of yourself or society.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: A gun is always the first weapon of choice in killing an innocent.... not explosives and other weapons..
guns are not the most dangerous things on the planet.
in fact, mosquitoes are responsible for millions of deaths of innocent children.
as to weapon of choice? what's the weapon of choice in Britain where guns are tightly controlled and always have been?
The new figures indicate that in the year 2007-8 there were some 277 deaths from stabbings in England & Wales alone (the highest recorded figure for 30 years). This represents an average death toll as a direct result of stabbings of over 5 for every week of the year!
If those figures are even remotely accurate then it shows that a society with less guns have way fewer homicides and such... guns makes it too easy to kill in multiple numbers... btw Mosquitoes are more like predators/pests and not weapons used by other creatures to do harm on others...
quote:it's almost impossible to find British or Canadian crime statistics that are reliable, they don't report the same way we do...
I think most #'s in any country are not always reliable including ours if they come from biased sources...
quote:whether you like it or not? i guns are just a tool, and sick people are going to act out one way or another.
all tools are dangerous, admittedly, the gun has no other uses, but we need to be able to defend ourselves against long odds, and guns are a constitutional right that will not be changed without a lot more deaths than will ever happen with them being legal. that's not a threat, that's the facts. I cannot imagine any trops volunterring to go door to door to collect guns... they would't last long. Even if they beleived they could collect them? there's not nearly enough votes to ammend the constituiton via normal means...
AGAIN, I am not calling for banning of guns (unless perhaps assault weapons) because realistic that can't happen in this country unless it was done from the very beginning. I am only asking for tighter controls to keep them from the wrong hands (criminals and mentally sick people)... so I do not know why you/others keep insisting we are asking for banning guns in general...
quote:Geccko and Corleone? What about Scarface too? these people are vicious all belonged in jail...
Scarface wasn't Machiavellian to me except for the St. Valentine's Day Massacre... that was well thought out the rest he did wasn't imo... Gekko and Corleone were definetly more saavy and Machiavellian though Gekko preferred Sun Tzu's Art of War over The Prince... And perhaps that was his downfall... he kept his friends closer then he did his enemies... vs Corleone who did the opposite...
But anyways my point is to obtain and keep power you have to be ruthless in some way if only a little. Otherwise you cannot maintain or be in power for long or accomplish anything with it.
Therefor that is why I admire how cleverly and ruthlessly Corleone obtains and keeps his power in HIS world. You have to be clever and ruthless in his world or else you would be killed.
I admire him for HIS world only and not the world in general. And even though he is a fictional character it is obvious that the Godfather movies even though we see it as only a gangster movie is really modern movie adaptation of Machiavelli's The Prince. And unless you are a fan of the book and have read it you would not understand my fascination or admiration of such characters in movie or in real life.
Am i a Nazi etc.? No not at all but I can admire how Hitler cleverly obtained and kept his power through political saavy and such in the beginning of his career. Machiavellian style. Him, Corleone, Caesar, Alexander the Great,Stalin (debatable because i considered him a common thug who ruled through fear who had no political smarts imo), Teddy Roosevelt, Che Guevara,Napolean etc.
Can you name any others Glass/Tex? Just remember Machiavelli's The Prince is a political treatise even if it advocates cruelty/ruthlessness to maintain/keep power as well as to protect one's state/country by any means necessary. In other words the ends justifies the means.
quote:being realistic doesn't mean you set no goals for improvement of yourself or society.
Realistically the proliferation of guns in any society does not improve that society any more so then drugs and other harmful things in said society.
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In other words the ends justifies the means.
the ends never justify the means.
try reading some Nietzsche for awhile:
Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.
Friedrich Nietzsche
Judgments, value judgments concerning life, for or against, can in the last resort never be true: they possess value only as symptoms, they come into consideration only as symptoms - in themselves such judgments are stupidities.
Nothing is beautiful, only man: on this piece of naivete rests all aesthetics, it is the first truth of aesthetics. Let us immediately add its second: nothing is ugly but degenerate man - the domain of aesthetic judgment is therewith defined.
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