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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090126/ap_on_sc/sci_greenhouse_irreversible_damage_ 1
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More leftist propaganda! She's behind the times. We no longer have global warming, now we're headed for an ice age! LOL!
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You are a stupid fool.
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come on beeg...PMS is way more qualified to speak on this subject then her..

Solomon, of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's Earth System Research Laboratory in Boulder, Colo., is lead author of an international team's paper reporting irreversible damage from climate change, being published in Tuesday's edition of Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

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OK, Jordan, I see your point.

While that paper is only from the the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, PM speaks with the authority and scientific genius of Fat Rush behind his every word.

I should know better than to question something with the backing of the the voice of the Party.

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So, the treasonous GOP'rs not only want to see President Obama fail ,they want to see that the world fails as well... great.
And they pay Rush's fat pill poppin' ass 400 million dollars to spew his detrimental excrement to these people... I can't believe it!

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quote:
Originally posted by Highwaychild:
So, the treasonous GOP'rs not only want to see President Obama fail ,they want to see that the world fails as well... great.
And they pay Rush's fat pill poppin' ass 400 million dollars to spew his detrimental excrement to these people... I can't believe it!

limbugger needs fools to make him seem smart...

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True, but the fools, being fools, after all, can't see that is the fact and they think he is ultra bright.
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come on beeg...PMS is way more qualified to speak on this subject then her..
You're right about that! I certainly have enough common sense to be able to recognize a scam when I see one!
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...and there you have it!...direct from the horses .. ah..mouth!

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Like I was explaining. PM is a fool who hasn't got the brains to be able to understand he is nothing but an idiotic fool. He thinks he is smart because he can't understand actual thinking and dismisses it as being as nonsensical as it is to him.
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have you seen rush lately?....he's HUGE!!

he'd better up his dose of bennys

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Yeah, they picture the Whale That Preaches to Fools on the news quite often, demonstrating who now acts as the Party's "Decider" now that dubya is out.
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Egocentrism [ 2 ] is very apparent in the relationship between two preschool children. Imagine two children are playing right next to each other, one playing with a colouring book and the other with a doll. They are talking to each other in sequence, but each child is completely oblivious to what the other is saying.

Julie: "I love my dolly, her name is Tina"

Carol: "I'm going to colour the sun yellow"

Julie: "She has long, curly hair like my auntie"

Carol: "Maybe I'll colour the trees yellow, too"

Julie: "I wonder what Tina's eyes are made of?"

Carol: "I lost my orange crayon"

Julie: " I know her eyes are made of glass."

These types of exchanges are called "collective monologues". This type of monologue demonstrates the "egocentrism" of children's thinking in this stage.

This sense of oneness with the world leads to the child's assumptions of magic omnipotence. Not only is the world created for them, they can control it. This leads to the child believing that nature is alive, and controllable. This is a concept of egocentrism known as "animism", the most characteristic of egocentric thought.

A pre-operational child will use mostly simple, heuristic strategies in problem solving. Once a child reaches the concrete operational stage, they will be in possession of a completely new set of strategies, allowing problem solving using logical rules. This new ability manifests itself most clearly in children's justifications for their answers. Concrete operational thinkers will explicitly state their use of logical rules in problem solving (Harris and Butterworth, 2002). This area also indicates the way in which the concrete operational stage can be negatively defined; although children can now use logical strategies, these can only be applied to concrete, immediately present objects. Thinking has become logical, but is not yet abstract.

The Formal Operational stage [ 3 ] is the final stage in Piaget's theory. It begins at approximately 11 to 12 years of age, and continues throughout adulthood,

although Piaget does point out that some people may never reach this stage of cognitive development.


The formal operational stage is characterized by the ability to formulate hypotheses and systematically test them to arrive at an answer to a problem.


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quote:
Originally posted by bdgee:
You are a stupid fool.

You are a hypocrite

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And so is Rush!
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rush never made it past the collective monologue stage, that's why he is always in a radio booth instead of "out in the world"..

vacationing in the dominican republic? he doesn't have to have discussion with anybody there... they just do what he says

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thats cuz he's HUGE!!!

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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
rush never made it past the collective monologue stage, that's why he is always in a radio booth instead of "out in the world"..

vacationing in the dominican republic? he doesn't have to have discussion with anybody there... they just do what he says

yeah, little boys......
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How about that "climate czar" pick by Obama? Sheesh what a mess she is. Just another socialist.

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I don't listen in rapture to Fat Rush's every word, but it looks like I missed him calling her a socialist today.
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Rush is a cartoon character, he is like the loud drunk at the end of the bar that is always yelling the same irrational statements. He isn't the forst nor the last man that will become rich exploiting the hate of others

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You act like liberals dont have any loudmouths. Keith Olberman anyone? He doesnt have a show with real news, it is just one big whining festival. What a jerk THAT guy is. Keith isnt even much of a journalist. All he does is bash Bush all day long. He should go back to ESPN and stick to sports.

He is just bitter because Murdoch fired him from Fox Sports. So go beat the Rush L drums all day I could care less.


Al Franken? The little pudgy wudgy with all sorts of problems dealing with Air America?

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quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
You act like liberals dont have any loudmouths. Keith Olberman anyone? He doesnt have a show with real news, it is just one big whining festival. What a jerk THAT guy is. Keith isnt even much of a journalist. All he does is bash Bush all day long. He should go back to ESPN and stick to sports.

He is just bitter because Murdoch fired him from Fox Sports. So go beat the Rush L drums all day I could care less.


Al Franken? The little pudgy wudgy with all sorts of problems dealing with Air America?

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It isn't so much that liberals are ignorant. It's just that they know so many things that aren't so.

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You can get more truth from 30 minutes nightly of John Stewart than 4 hours daily of Rush's Fat 400 pound pill poppin hypocritical lard ass! Sad, but true.

He works(if you call it that) four, count 'em 1,2,3,4 hours a day.
That = 400,000,000 dollars?

oh, he's relating just great with the the middle class. WTF!

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Pelosi Stimulus: Liberal wish list


BTW, your boy Al Gore is a POLITICIAN not a scientist.

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Too ignorant to understand or know what liberal means, he has now posted proof he has as weak an idea about science.

Lets see if I can say something as dumb:

Obama is not a attorney, since he is a politician.

Linus Pauling shouldn't have been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, because he was a chemist and not a politician.

Edwin Hubble was trained as an attorney, so you should not believe anything he says about astronomy or accept calling him a scientist.

Of course, those statements are absurd and stupid, but they follow the pattern given..

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Al is a former politician. He is now a figurehead for a movement started by naturalists and backed by scientists worldwide. The only groups that deny climate change at this point are the deepest of conservative (and I only use the word conservative because, while it is not an accurate descriptor, it is their self described title) tanks that are tied to either the petroleum industry, hardline Christianity (beyond Christian Science Monitor, which admits climate change)and hardline conservative (there's that word again) political members and org's that are selling an agenda.

By the way, have you read Al's book? No...I'm not talking about An Inconvenient Truth. I'm talking about Earth in the Balance. The Best Seller released in 1992 prior to his stint as Vice-President. It may be close to 2 decades old but it has some very good information in just how crappy we have treated our land and water. Some alarming observations of the short-term results of that treatment as well.

In '88 when Al thought about running for President? It was his environmental facts and figures which did him in as a serious candidate. My point? He may have a biased viewpoint but he has been studying this stuff for more than 30 years. You do him wrong to write him off just cause he doesn't know how to tell a joke.

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Gore's book is a good companion to Rachel Carson's The Edge of the Sea" (if you have never read her Silent Spring, you may rightfully call yourself effectively illiterate on any question related to environmental considerations).
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I am illiterate on many subjects...that being just one..

I'll go find her book this week.

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here's a good example of people that ignore simple facts:

Tennessee Valley Coal Ash Spill Buries 400 Acres, Damages Homes
KNOXVILLE, Tennessee, December 23, 2008 (ENS) - A retaining wall at the Tennessee Valley Authority's Kingston coal-fired power plant collapsed early Monday morning, causing 2.6 million cubic yards of fly ash to be spilled across hundreds of acres.


this ash is what is now scrubbed from the exhaust, and what is left in the boilers.


at first the TVA and the EPA said there was nothing to worry about from the spill...

the truth is much worse:

Cleanup
One of the trickiest jobs could be removing the coal ash from the Emory River and possibly downstream on the Clinch River, both of which have pockets of radioactive materials buried in the riverbed that can be traced to splitting atoms for nuclear power and weapons development upstream at Oak Ridge decades ago.

The Emory — along with the Clinch River, which it flows into, and the Lower Watts Bar Reservoir, which they both enter — still has pockets of sediment that holds radioactive cesium and a host of other ills from nuclear power production and weapons development at the U.S. Department of Energy's Oak Ridge Reservation several decades ago.

The lake was already off limits to commercial fishing because of the contamination from polychlorinated biphenyls, or PCBs, from unspecified sources, and the public has been warned for years not to eat striped bass from the lower Emory River and the Clinch.

A state advisory says no one should eat more than one meal a month of catfish or sauger from there, and pregnant women and children shouldn't eat the fish at all. The Clinch River has advisories on even more species.

Some environmentalists have pointed out that dredging could kick up sediment, but a committee of state, TVA, U.S. Army Corps of Engineers and EPA officials that has to inspect any dredging requests in the area downriver of Oak Ridge has said the action would not be a problem in the Emory.

"Most of the sediment that's going to be dredged in any one given location is really not going to be that heavily contaminated," said John Shewairy, spokesman for the DOE office in Oak Ridge.

Eroding soil from development and other sites over the decades has buried much of the older sediment, with the higher concentrations of cesium found 8 to 32 inches deep.


http://www.tennessean.com/article/20090126/GREEN02/901260350

the mess just intensifies


"Most of the sediment that's going to be dredged in any one given location is really not going to be that heavily contaminated," said John Shewairy, spokesman for the DOE office in Oak Ridge.

yeah right, and i got a bridge to sell dirt cheap, i'll even pay for the toll booths [Wink]

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Jordan, any of Carson's books are not only educating, they are fun to read. Like so many really outstanding scientist, she is a brilliant writer.

(I have had the opportunity to have worked in several fields, from an administrator of social service programs to theoretical pure mathematics and philosophy and, thus, using graduate college training in writing and editing, have had a wide range of experience dealing with the written efforts of a broad range of persons in a broad spectrum of professions and specialties. One talent that seems to differentiate between those that succeed or don't and between those that just get by and the truly outstanding is the ability to communicate, both written and oral (though the written weighs more). I'll take the novice that reads and writes well over the experienced professional that won't or can't every time. (I'm not talking about spelling, here....you pay secretaries to make sure the spelling gets corrected before it leaves the house.) I may have to train that novice to the nitty-gritty of the work, but that effort always pays off in the long run with a more than competent worker and skilled professional.)

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Global warming 'irreversible' for next 1000 years: study
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The Department of Water and Power (DWP) San Fernando Valley Generating Station is seen in Sun Valley, California, 2008. Climate change is "largely irreversible" for the next 1,000 years even if carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions could be abruptly halted, according to a new study led by the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA).(AFP/Getty Images/File/David Mcnew)
WASHINGTON (AFP) - Climate change is "largely irreversible" for the next 1,000 years even if carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions could be abruptly halted, according to a new study led by the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA).

The study's authors said there was "no going back" after the report showed that changes in surface temperature, rainfall and sea level are "largely irreversible for more than 1,000 years after CO2 emissions are completely stopped."

NOAA senior scientist Susan Solomon said the study, published in this week's Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences journal, showed that current human choices on carbon dioxide emissions are set to "irreversibly change the planet."

Researchers examined the consequences of CO2 building up beyond present-day concentrations of 385 parts per million, and then completely stopping emissions after the peak. Before the industrial age CO2 in Earth's atmosphere amounted to only 280 parts per million.

The study found that CO2 levels are irreversibly impacting climate change, which will contribute to global sea level rise and rainfall changes in certain regions.

The authors emphasized that increases in CO2 that occur from 2000 to 2100 are set to "lock in" a sea level rise over the next 1,000 years.

Rising sea levels would cause "irreversible commitments to future changes in the geography of the Earth, since many coastal and island features would ultimately become submerged," the study said.

Decreases in rainfall that last for centuries can be expected to have a range of impacts, said the authors. Regional impacts include -- but are not limited to -- decreased human water supplies, increased fire frequency, ecosystem change and expanded deserts.


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What most people don't get through there head Rush is a right wing war monger who in reality was a draft dodger

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