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WASHINGTON (AP) -- Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware is Barack Obama's pick as vice presidential running mate, The Associated Press has learned.
Biden, 65, is a veteran of more than three decades in the Senate, and one of his party's leading experts on foreign policy, an area in which polls indicate Obama needs help in his race against Republican rival John McCain.
The official who spoke did so on condition of anonymity, saying they did not want to pre-empt a text-message announcement the Obama campaign promised for Saturday morning.
Old news...but still interesting how 4 years changes things.
“I’m sticking with McCain,” Biden said.
“I think John McCain would be a great candidate for vice president,” Biden, from Delaware, said on NBC’s “Meet the Press,” where the two senators appeared together to take questions on Iraq and other subjects
“Do I think it’s going to happen? No,” he said. “But I think it is a reflection of the desire of this country and the desire of people in both parties to want to see this God-awful, vicious rift that exists in the nation healed, and John and John could go a long way to heal in that rift.”Posts: 681 | From: Utah | Registered: Mar 2008
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Oops! That was a major tactical blunder by Obama! Biden - agent of change? I don't think so!
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Who said I don't like him? I think he's a great pair up for Obama. He adds the 'experience' to the ticket which is one of the things that Obama still fights. Biden was one of the few on the supposed 'short' list of Obama's that I was least afraid he'd pick.
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LOL, now you're reading as much into my posts as BDGEE...at least you read the link I guess.
While I don't like some of his votes...and I'm sure I'll post several of them in the next coming months...I didn't point to anything in particular. Just offering info. I haven't made it all the way through his votes yet.
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I haven't made it all the way through his votes yet.
here's the problem with trying to sort thru anybody's votes..
some butt-head sticks a last minute wedge into most of 'em and and a vote yea or nea can be misinterpreted... the case of "to protect a mother's health" is the most obvious of those....
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You're right that we shouldn't judge someone based on one or two votes. But if a pattern of voting appears based on a long record (the lack of which is one of the things hurting Obama's credibility) you can use that as a basis for judgement.
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quote:Originally posted by SeekingFreedom: You're right that we shouldn't judge someone based on one or two votes. But if a pattern of voting appears based on a long record (the lack of which is one of the things hurting Obama's credibility) you can use that as a basis for judgement.
and experience also means that the lobbyists already OWN the bas-turds.
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I sat and counted his votes (yes, my line is running well so I have some free time this morning) and guess how many 'NV or Not Voting, Excused, Absent, or Present'he had.
Ready?
Out of the 568 votes listed, he didn't take a position (for whatever reason) on 238 of them. That's almost 42% of the votes during his term as Senator that he didn't even vote Yea or Nay to.
What are we supposed to use to make a judgement call on whether we agree with him or if he's been consistent when he hasn't voted enough to give us something to look at?
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You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, a lot like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. So it’s not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy towards people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations. Barack Obama At San Francisco fundraiser, April 6, 2008.
Quote I DO like from Obama this is funny :
Pot had helped, and booze; maybe a little blow when you could afford it. Not smack [heroin] though. Barack Obama Admitting taking cannabis and cocaine as a teenager, in 1995 memoir 'Dreams from My Father'.
I've got two daughters. 9 years old and 6 years old. I am going to teach them first of all about values and morals. But if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby.
Barack Obama
Over the last 15 months, we've traveled to every corner of the United States. I've now been in 57 states? I think one left to go.
Barack Obama
We can't drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times... and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK.
Barack Obama
"In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died -- an entire town destroyed." --on a Kansas tornado that killed 12 people
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It seems the McCain camp is wasting no time on Biden's pick...
John McCain is already up with a TV ad today using some of Senator Joe Biden's comments against the new Democratic ticket.
"What does Barack Obama's running mate say about Barack Obama?" the announcer asks. The ad then shows ABC'S George Stephanopoulos asking Biden during a debate while he was still contesting Obama for the nomination: "You were asked, 'Is he ready?' You said, 'I think he can be ready but right now, I don't believe he is. The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training.'
"I think that I stand by the statement," Biden is shown replying.
"And what does he say about John McCain?" the announcer asks.
"I would be honored to run with or against John McCain, because I think the country would be better off," Biden is shown replying .
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I've got two daughters. 9 years old and 6 years old. I am going to teach them first of all about values and morals. But if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby.
abortion is not something anybody is FOR SF...
seems to me that too many people try to make the race for president about one issue, and have been for thirty years now...
it's a difficult issue because if i say i agree with Obama? you'll say i'm for murder.
then a few pages later in the discussion you'll defend BOMBING the crap out of a country and killing innocent people indiscriminately...
nobody is for abortion..
the real question IMO, is why people think they are "conservative" when they beleive they have any right to interfere in somebody elses personal decisions...
i live in a state that would immediately ban all abortions, and effectively has already...
thing is? it's also one of the poorest states, has the worst health problems, has one of the worst HS graduation rates, can't even figure out how to fund medicare/medicaid. we raise taxes and lower joblessness by making gambling legal? we are even trying to raise taxes here by taxing hospitals, which will just raise my insurance rates even more than they already are...
now please 'splain to me how i am supposed to "balance the books" on all this crap? cuz i can't figger it out..
if you ask me? the anti-abortion movement cares about kids till they are born and then can't be bothered to deal with 'em...
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interesting: The Political Courage Test (formerly the National Political Awareness Test (NPAT) is an American initiative intended to make American politics more transparent.
It is part of the voter education organization Project Vote Smart's candidate information program.
Despite the fact that 2008 presidential candidate John McCain took the 2004 test and requested other politicians to take 2006 test, he has refused to take the 2008 test. Other presidential candidates, including Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and Ron Paul, have also refused to take the 2008 test.
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LOL Are you having a bad day, Glass? Because that's twice you've brought up abortion in this thread when noone else has. I was curious why out of all Biden's votes that's the one you picked up on. And as for Obama's quotes, why did you focus on that one?
I had to look back on the votes page to verify that Biden was pro-choice. Obama's made his position clear apart from his gaffe above. If it's an issue you want to address then by all means we can.
Just curious as to the direction of the thread.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: interesting: Despite the fact that 2008 presidential candidate John McCain took the 2004 test and requested other politicians to take 2006 test, he has refused to take the 2008 test. Other presidential candidates, including Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and Ron Paul, have also refused to take the 2008 test.
I wonder if the 'test' questions are different or it's just that noone wants to actually state their opinions\beliefs when the chips are actually down.
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quote:Originally posted by SeekingFreedom: LOL Are you having a bad day, Glass? Because that's twice you've brought up abortion in this thread when noone else has. I was curious why out of all Biden's votes that's the one you picked up on. And as for Obama's quotes, why did you focus on that one?
I had to look back on the votes page to verify that Biden was pro-choice. Obama's made his position clear apart from his gaffe above. If it's an issue you want to address then by all means we can.
Just curious as to the direction of the thread.
no-one else has WHAT? i suppose you mean besides yourself? or did you not realise that the pages you linked to were abortion based? that wouldn't surprise me a bit
i suppose you didn't bring up the quote:I've got two daughters. 9 years old and 6 years old. I am going to teach them first of all about values and morals. But if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby.?
that must have been the OTHER SeekingFreedom?
LOL... did you forget your Dissociative Identity Disorder meds toady?
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At what time is the government allowed to be in our lives and for what reason.
The issue of abortion is the concern of a woman her doctor and religious leader of whatever faith. and the advise of her family.
In this great republic that we have the right of seperation of religion and the civil state is just that it is a right that applies to all issues weather they are liked or not the line is drawn in the sand as far as I am concerned now with this issue,obortion.
You can be pro life as I am just don't make it a law that shoves it down the throats of everybody like a dictator would do. Or find youself another country that lives under theocratic law like the mideast be happy stone people to death, cut off limbs for crime,bury little baby girls in the sand because you cannot afford them. And be one happy s.o.b that you are controling peoples life. Just please ge the hell out of my country
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or did you not realise that the pages you linked to were abortion based? that wouldn't surprise me a bit
Which pages? The votesmart.org stuff? I read their 'About Us' link and didn't see anything of the sort. I would love to see what you have on them that would link them to the pro-life side.
i suppose you didn't bring up the quote:I've got two daughters. 9 years old and 6 years old. I am going to teach them first of all about values and morals. But if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby.?
Of course I did. As well as three others. Did they imply my use of his gaffes as anything but humor? Please do show me if you believe so.
And again, if you want to discuss the abortion issue, just say so. You don't need to attack me based on an imagined attempt by myself to bring it up subtly.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: go clik the links YOU provided... abortion is the very first list of votes...
Please name one other issue that is more polarizing, Glass? It's there to stake down the politicians on the issues people want to know about.
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