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you quoted me two ACTRESSES stating their opinions in argument against religious leaders leading their "flocks"...
Please! Shall we bring back the REVERENDS Al "Those who really believe in God will defeat him (Romney)" Sharpton and Jesse "Hymie Town" Jackson? Does that suit your needs better? Both Democrats. Both 'religious' leaders (I guess as much as Robertson and Falwell are).
there's a huge difference.
Well, there's something to help you with the difference...or lack thereof now.
just a couple of years ago? the attitude here was quite different, but Bush's abysmal failures have made most people reconsider their views.. you seem to be "immune" to the visions of his failures for some reason...
It doesn't matter what the attitude was,is or will be. If people want to come off as fair minded intellectuals that like 'a free thinking marketplace of ides'(like several claim), it doesn't matter which side posts biased crap. It should be called as much no matter which it favors.
are you upset that Romney's "Conservative" approch to the White House was rejected? McCain will end up with the conservative support, but the "C"onservaitves have no choice.
Do I think Romney would have been a better choice? Of course, I've already said that many times. Do I think McCain is better than Obama? Again, yes, I've said that many times. The "C"onservatives will adjust to McCain's presidency and at the very least build up support against him for 2012. Politics as usual.
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Please! Shall we bring back the REVERENDS Al "Those who really believe in God will defeat him (Romney)" Sharpton and Jesse "Hymie Town" Jackson? Does that suit your needs better? Both Democrats. Both 'religious' leaders (I guess as much as Robertson and Falwell are).
so now you propose that Jackson and Sharpton represent all liberal voices? i don't even think most African Americans beleive that...
there seems to be something racist going on here, but i'm not sure what it is...
as for Romney? his views were not nearly so conservative a few years back either.. and he IS on public record as having "rethunk" his views... seemed awful convenient to me...
face it, the face of Conservatism has been given a severe black eye by the actions or inactions of it's leadership...
the only thing saving them right now is that the liberals failed to do what they were "hired" to do too..
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Posting acknowledgments of the screw-ups, dishonesty, criminal activities, and abuses of power and the Constitution by the republicans in power IS NOT BIASED CRAP.
Refusing to acknowledge those thing or carrying on as if they are alright is biased crap.
Going on and on and declaring the pointing out of those things to be biased is what is real biased crap.
Almost the supreme example of biased crap is the insistence that the invasion of Iraq is in the past and objecting to it on the grounds that we (and the world) were lied to and that invasion amounts to an illegal war and we have to accept it and remain in Iraq.
But the SUPREME example of biased crap is, after the proof that there were not WMDs in Iraq and neither Saddam nor Iraq was working with al kaida or had any connection to 9/11, to carry on insisting that that bunch of crap from the Administration, used to convince the Congress and the people that invasion of Iraq was justified and necessary, was true and that the absolute party first standard of the republican party doesn't deserve the blame.
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so now you propose that Jackson and Sharpton represent all liberal voices? i don't even think most African Americans beleive that...
Not at all. Merely well known examples of some of them. Do you propose that Falwell and Robertson represent all conservative voices?
there seems to be something racist going on here, but i'm not sure what it is...
Bravo! That shot was worthy of Bdgee himself. And here I thought you were above all that.
as for Romney? his views were not nearly so conservative a few years back either.. and he IS on public record as having "rethunk" his views... seemed awful convenient to me...
I have never said that Romney was the perfect candidate. I said I would have prefered him over McCain. Lesser of two evils and all that.
face it, the face of Conservatism has been given a severe black eye by the actions or inactions of it's leadership...
And where have I denied that?
the only thing saving them right now is that the liberals failed to do what they were "hired" to do too..
As did their predecessors as well as the republican predecessors. Ever since 'statesmen' became 'politicians' they've all failed us.
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Posting acknowledgments of the screw-ups, dishonesty, criminal activities, and abuses of power and the Constitution by the republicans in power IS NOT BIASED CRAP.
For the sake of brevity, I'll limit myself to this thread's content, Bdgee.
Red staters see gays and brown people as the enemy,
Tell, me, Bdgee, do you consider 'gays and brown people' as the enemy? You live in Texas, right? That's a 'red' state. By this story, you must be a racist bigot as well.
Incidentally, the brown people and the gays are not doing much better,
Yeah! They...aren't...doing any better... Wait, haven't they been 'traditionally' voting Democrat? And they haven't done better for it? Who is the author saying we should vote for? If it's neither party, why doesn't he level equal malice toward the liberals?
The two examples and others that I've already posted are not "Posting acknowledgments of the screw-ups, dishonesty, criminal activities, and abuses of power and the Constitution by the republicans in power." They are broad, generalizing bigotry.
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Bravo! That shot was worthy of Bdgee himself. And here I thought you were above all that. [Razz]
well, thanx for the compliment...
lessee now, we were trying to determine if anybody represents the "liberals" or the "conservatives" completley? i suppose Bush and DeLay were supposed to be that broad conservative representation... it seems like you are still claiming Bush represents your version of conservatism...
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: [b] well, thanx for the compliment...
lessee now, we were trying to determine if anybody represents the "liberals" or the "conservatives" completley? i suppose Bush and DeLay were supposed to be that broad conservative representation... it seems like you are still claiming Bush represents your version of conservatism...
LOL, that one was beneath you, Glass.
Show me anywhere (why doesn't anyone post something I've actually written?) to show that I believe Bush represents my version of conservatism.
As for the 'completely' part? You offered []Bush, Rove, Falwell, Pat Robertson, Rush, Coulter,etc etc etc...[/i] first. As you've just posted, you don't think they are representative of ALL conservative thinking. So why do you pretend to assume that my list of Stone, Fonda, Sharpton or Jackson should be any more comprehensive?
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actually i was refering to them in terms of the article entitled "Right-wing Media Stokes Violence Against Liberals" those are all right wing media players...
left wing media players tend to be "everybody else" according to most of the right wing media players...
Show me anywhere (why doesn't anyone post something I've actually written?) to show that I believe Bush represents my version of conservatism.
you can't be serious.... you've defended most every critcism of Bush posted here.. even to the point of claiming his constitutional legal positions are correct but only improperly judged according to a biased court... somehow you seem to be trying to imply that you are above bias yourself which is laughable... i don't claim that... as a matter o'fact? i pretty much admitted that out front when Billary was still running, but then i explained why... maybe not to the satisfaction of her supporters, but i make no excuses.
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Once again...no link or even an exerp from what I've posted. (sigh)
I don't like Bush for many reasons(which I've said before), but as I've posted I think that laying every single ill that has happened in the world during the last 8 years at his feet is a little extreme. Consider it an online version of Court. I offer evidence to counter the accusations. If the charges really hold water I lose. If not, well, then we need to see that too.
... maybe not to the satisfaction of her supporters, but i make no excuses.
Then why expect me to meet the expectations of his detractors?
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Then why expect me to meet the expectations of his detractors?
i'm not sure what you mean here...
I think that laying every single ill that has happened in the world during the last 8 years at his feet is a little extreme. over-generalization???...
nobody has done that...
Consider it an online version of Court. I offer evidence to counter the accusations. If the charges really hold water I lose. If not, well, then we need to see that too.
sounds like you are now admitting that you don't really offer your words here with any real conviction.... you see, i voted for Bush in '00 expecting NOT to be doing nation-building for one... and i didn't expect to see a budget surplus turn into the worst deficit ever... and i 'specially didn't expect the Govt to be handing out tax rebates every couple of years...
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I hate the fact that we (loosely joining myself with the party) have freaks like Sen. 'Wide Stance' Craig in it. I hate the fact that tragedies like Katrina happen and the Powers that Be Currently are ineffective to put it mildly.
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I can't believe that and if I have to keep one band of crooks in power so that the other doesn't have a chance to spread that crap, sadly they get my vote.
I don't like what the Republicans have done (or haven't in many cases), I'm not a 'party liner' as Bdgee would like to believe (keeps things simple for his anger). But I choose to vote republican because I choose to vote against what the Democrats have said they want to do.
I don't like Bush on many levels, but I don't like the fact that he's become the pinata for many democrats to make the people fear the Repubs as much as they accuse (rightly so I admit) him of using the 'terrorists' to make people afraid the Dems won't protect them.
Once again, lesser of two evils.
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I don't like Bush on many levels, but I don't like the fact that he's become the pinata for many democrats to make the people fear the Repubs as much as they accuse (rightly so I admit) him of using the 'terrorists' to make people afraid the Dems won't protect them.
well, most of my "ranting" has been an attempt to find out a way to get out of the lesser of two evils merry-go-round...
i was actually dumb-founded when McCain began losing primaries to dufus back in '00...
he's a pinata for good reasons. lots of 'em...
and quite frankly? half the stuf he's done that GOP's have kept quiet on would have had most of them screaming impeachment if Gore (for instance) had done it... i think you know this even if you won't admit it... that's the first "test" that ANYBODY who want to fix the mess our country is in should ask themselves in the current political environment. would i be "happy" if the opposite party was doing this?
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quote:Originally posted by SeekingFreedom: Posting acknowledgments of the screw-ups, dishonesty, criminal activities, and abuses of power and the Constitution by the republicans in power IS NOT BIASED CRAP.
For the sake of brevity, I'll limit myself to this thread's content, Bdgee.
Red staters see gays and brown people as the enemy,
Tell, me, Bdgee, do you consider 'gays and brown people' as the enemy? You live in Texas, right? That's a 'red' state. By this story, you must be a racist bigot as well.
Incidentally, the brown people and the gays are not doing much better,
Yeah! They...aren't...doing any better... Wait, haven't they been 'traditionally' voting Democrat? And they haven't done better for it? Who is the author saying we should vote for? If it's neither party, why doesn't he level equal malice toward the liberals?
The two examples and others that I've already posted are not "Posting acknowledgments of the screw-ups, dishonesty, criminal activities, and abuses of power and the Constitution by the republicans in power." They are broad, generalizing bigotry.
Your direct question to me about the topic, surrounded by utterances from you about someone's sexual leaning and someone's race are clearly intended to convey the idea that I have made some improper reference to those things or at least have stated something that could be so construed.
That effort constitutes another lie by you, of the form of you claiming someone said something, which you seem to think, with your ego driven rudeness, gives you the right to demand a further clarifying statement on the topic.
I DID NOT SAY ANYTHING DIRECTLY, INDIRECTLY, OR BY INFERENCE, ABOUT ANYONE'S RACE OR SEXUAL PREFERENCE.
There is no reason to drag me into your twisted scheme of hate and lies, implied or not.
So get off the crap.
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You vote republican because you support everything they do.
That's the black an white of it, nothing else. You are so one sided in [i]all matters[/], not just political things, that you can't understand that your rantings are nothing more than Party before country parroting of the RNC agenda.
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: Your direct question to me about the topic, surrounded by utterances from you about someone's sexual leaning and someone's race are clearly intended to convey the idea that I have made some improper reference to those things or at least have stated something that could be so construed.
That effort constitutes another lie by you, of the form of you claiming someone said something, which you seem to think, with your ego driven rudeness, gives you the right to demand a further clarifying statement on the topic.
I DID NOT SAY ANYTHING DIRECTLY, INDIRECTLY, OR BY INFERENCE, ABOUT ANYONE'S RACE OR SEXUAL PREFERENCE.
There is no reason to drag me into your twisted scheme of hate and lies, implied or not.
So get off the crap.
ROFL, Bdgee, go back to bed man. Or at least grab some coffee before you log in.
Those 'direct questions about the topic' Bdgee? They were based on QUOTES from the article. They are examples of the kind of twisted generalizations that the author is posing to the reader (which combined with your second post on this thread makes one wonder if you even read it at all).
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: You vote republican because you support everything they do.
That's the black an white of it, nothing else. You are so one sided in [i]all matters[/], not just political things, that you can't understand that your rantings are nothing more than Party before country parroting of the RNC agenda.
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