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Did you miss the governmental controls part, Mach. The real Machiavelli favored a combination of Socialist programs and strict military force to keep the people in line and subdued.
Oddly, that hasn't come accross as your position.
As for the ends justify the means...yeah, I can believe that you actually DO believe that.
Finally, to the 'b*tching' comment, funny that I can't remember the last positive post you made.
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quote:Originally posted by SeekingFreedom: Did you miss the governmental controls part, Mach. The real Machiavelli favored a combination of Socialist programs and strict military force to keep the people in line and subdued.
Obviously the book was written in different times when things were done differently much like the Bible. We promote America as being civilized and a Democracy (even though that isn't true) so we can't "subdue" the people with military force like in old days (though this happens in other parts of the world and it works for them like in Zimbawe currently) though it was done to a certain extent in the 60's to protestors (Kent State, 1968 National Democratic Convention etc.). But since both you and PMS say I have Socialist leanings then your description half describes me. In reality I believe in a half Socialist, half Capitalist society because neither/or works good alone judging by recent history. And I also believe in a strong police and military force to curb crime and for the defense of the country only. Not offense to our citizens nor to other countries.
quote:Oddly, that hasn't come accross as your position.
Au contraire, but it has. You just haven't paid attention well.
quote:As for the ends justify the means...yeah, I can believe that you actually DO believe that.
Wow, we actually agree on something?
quote:Finally, to the 'b*tching' comment, funny that I can't remember the last positive post you made.
I always make positive posts along with negative ones just like you and everyone else. You just don't pay attention to the positive ones and do to the negative ones or you have different definitions of what is positive or negative. For example, my Karl Rove one I consider positive as I'm sure other people here would consider it as well but you don't because your a fanboy of his.
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quote:Originally posted by SeekingFreedom: Like the right to bear arms? They would never think of limiting or taking that away...right?
Wow, do you just make sh*t up? Us liberals, or at least me, are not disputing your right to bear/own arms... but we are disputing your right to own fully automatic weapons that should be regulated to the military or law enforcement only imo... there should be some limits to dangerous freedoms much like you think there should be limits to freedom of speech which harms no one in some cases... anyways the gun issue has been debated to death already... no need for it again...
quote:Or your right to enjoy the fruits of your labors by taking 15% of your hard earned wealth to pay for their view of health insurance...right?
Why not? seems to work in Cuba and other countries... you still haven't given a strong argument for not having it here... 15% of your fruits of labor being used for universal insurance (including for you and your own family) is pennies compared to how high premiums are going up without universal medicine.. it has tripled in price in the last 2 years... I used to pay about $100 or less per month and now its up at $350 (and im sure it will increase again) per month now for subpar healthcare... if you haven't read my article on medicine in Cuba.. here there is 1 doctor for about 400 or so patients while in Cuba it's 1 for every 100... which system you think is working better? lol
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We promote America as being civilized and a Democracy (even though that isn't true) so we can't "subdue" the people with military force like in old days (though this happens in other parts of the world and it works for them like in Zimbawe currently) though it was done to a certain extent in the 60's to protestors (Kent State, 1968 National Democratic Convention etc.). But since both you and PMS say I have Socialist leanings then your description half describes me. In reality I believe in a half Socialist, half Capitalist society because neither/or works good alone judging by recent history. And I also believe in a strong police and military force to curb crime and for the defense of the country only. Not offense to our citizens nor to other countries. ![[BadOne]](graemlins/headbash.gif)
