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Like a lot of folks in this state, I have a job.
I work, they pay me. I pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as it sees fit. In order to get that paycheck, I am required to pass a random urine test with which I have no problem. What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who don't have to pass a urine test.
Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare check because I have to pass one to earn it for them? Please understand, I have no problem with helping people get back on their feet.
I do, on the other hand, have a problem with helping someone sitting on their rear, doing drugs, while I work. . . . Can you imagine how much money the state would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a public assistance check?
Something has got to be done. Tired of giving my money away to those with their hands stuck out!
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: how about if everybody has to take one?
including every elected official?
Are you kidding?! Drug testing would decimate the government!
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quote:Originally posted by Ace of Spades: You obviously don't know much about the war on drugs.....
It's a fact that the CIA was shipping in huge amount of cocaine into the country. Read up on it.
So our government is bringing the drugs into our country, our tax dollars go to wellfare, and wellfare checks buy the drugs from our governement....
Then the CIA and government pinned it all on "Freeway" Ricky Ross
Doesn't change the premise of his complaint, Ace. Regardless of the source of the substance, wouldn't you (as a tax payer) like to know that the recipient of said assistance isn't choosing blow\crank\whatever over milk for their kids?
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quote:Originally posted by andrew: Like a lot of folks in this state, I have a job.
I work, they pay me. I pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as it sees fit. In order to get that paycheck, I am required to pass a random urine test with which I have no problem. What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who don't have to pass a urine test.
Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare check because I have to pass one to earn it for them? Please understand, I have no problem with helping people get back on their feet.
I do, on the other hand, have a problem with helping someone sitting on their rear, doing drugs, while I work. . . . Can you imagine how much money the state would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a public assistance check?
Something has got to be done. Tired of giving my money away to those with their hands stuck out!
Shouldn't we have to pass a urine test to get a drivers license? I could give a half dozen examples where we should pass a urine test...
As for you not having a problem with helping people out "but"... YES you do have a problem with it because if you didn't you wouldn't mention it in the first place...
And alot of people do not choose to "stick their hands" out... that is stereotyping... alot of them are in situations beyond their control... much like us with jobs who cannot control the price of gas at the pump which in turn we cannot control the price of food and other things in this country causing inflation... and we now are "sticking our hands" out for the Government to help us in some way... make sense? I think so... but then again we should take a urine test and pass it so the next time i put gas in my car it's at $2 per gallon tops... btw I guess you have no problem sending $12 Billion a month to th e Iraq situation that is not benefiting us in any way stop being lazy and get your fat azz out of your couch and take the urine test!!!
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Machiavelli.................I agree everyone who has their hand stuck out is not a bad person. I am talking about the lazy pos who has 6 kids gets a a gov. check because they do not know what birth control is. He/she gets MY money and goes buy drugs with it. Hell let me buy his weed and it will save me some money...jk on that part.
I have been gone for awhile...good to see old names still here and some new ones. What happened to bdgee?
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SF If you think a drug test tells a company or anybody eles what most people do or take you have a lot to learn.
I know a lot of pot heads that have passed them with fliing colors.
As for me personaly don't Drink or use any drugs fo years but I had tro take one over again because it came out positive.
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quote:Originally posted by andrew: Machiavelli.................I agree everyone who has their hand stuck out is not a bad person. I am talking about the lazy pos who has 6 kids gets a a gov. check because they do not know what birth control is. He/she gets MY money and goes buy drugs with it. Hell let me buy his weed and it will save me some money...jk on that part.
I have been gone for awhile...good to see old names still here and some new ones. What happened to bdgee?
i find it difficult to correlate the discrepancy here.
Andrew, you define youreslf as a conservative right?
yet the "conservative" social model is to "train" people to behave differently even tho we know that it don't friggin work.
abstinence, whether it be dope or sex just doesn't happen.
instead of bytching about 22 year olds with their 6th kid? why don't you insist that teens be mandatorily put on birth control and only allowed off after they prove themselves worthy of being "good citizens" ?
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quote:Originally posted by andrew: Machiavelli.................I agree everyone who has their hand stuck out is not a bad person. I am talking about the lazy pos who has 6 kids gets a a gov. check because they do not know what birth control is. He/she gets MY money and goes buy drugs with it. Hell let me buy his weed and it will save me some money...jk on that part.
I have been gone for awhile...good to see old names still here and some new ones. What happened to bdgee?
i find it difficult to correlate the discrepancy here.
Andrew, you define youreslf as a conservative right?
yet the "conservative" social model is to "train" people to behave differently even tho we know that it don't friggin work.
abstinence, whether it be dope or sex just doesn't happen.
instead of bytching about 22 year olds with their 6th kid? why don't you insist that teens be mandatorily put on birth control and only allowed off after they prove themselves worthy of being "good citizens" ?
How about we create another vaccination to go along with other school age vaccinations. This new one would make all males and females sterile, but it is reversible of course. But it can't be reversed until you produce a marriage certificate, credit app, and employment verification. How'd that be glass?
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sounds like utopia. the Chinese are probably wokking on it as we speak.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: sounds like utopia. the Chinese are probably wokking on it as we speak.
Actually, good point about China!
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: sounds like utopia. the Chinese are probably wokking on it as we speak.
Actually, good point about China!
Btw, was "the Chinese are probably wokking on it as we speak." a typo or subtle humor? Either way it was damn funny!
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I think we should test everyone once a week to see if anyone has a larger than normal amount of alcohol, drugs(legal, illegal) etc. then throw everyone in jail that does not meet the government standard.
These tests will be done at a government facility with insurance companies overseeing the operations.
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it is somewhat biased to make one have pity for the inmates, which i'm not sure they deserve, but ont eh other hand, we are filling up our prisons with parole violators who fail drug tests...
i don't have time at the moment to find stats, but we do have the largest inmate population in the WORLD already...
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but ont eh other hand, we are filling up our prisons with parole violators who fail drug tests...
Sorry, no pity here. These people are getting out of serving a duly established sentance when they get parole. That freedom is given with strings attached to which the inmates agrees at the time parole is granted. If they aren't willing to meet those requirements then they get to go back to finishing their terms. They accept that risk when they break the terms of their parole. They choose to go back as they KNOW they will be tested.
Either they like it there...or they really are that dumb.
On an off note...ever notice that nine times out of ten (completely made up stat to make the point) those who strive the most ardently against drug testing\drug laws have used or are using?
quote:Originally posted by andrew: Machiavelli.................I agree everyone who has their hand stuck out is not a bad person. I am talking about the lazy pos who has 6 kids gets a a gov. check because they do not know what birth control is. He/she gets MY money and goes buy drugs with it. Hell let me buy his weed and it will save me some money...jk on that part.
I have been gone for awhile...good to see old names still here and some new ones. What happened to bdgee?
The problem is that we all think that everyone on welfare are those people when in reality they are not... it's a stereotype like I said before... are there people who abuse the system? Of course there is... people will always try to take advantage of a system be it welfare, political system, tax system or whatever system... it is human nature... I am sure some of us on this board have taken advantage of some system sometime in our lives (PMS and Section 8 comes to mind LoL)... but anyways totally abandoning the Welfare system would lead to nationwide disaster in many ways which will cost us more in the long run... to me Workfare works best and a good example is none other then NYC that it works without totally abandoning people in need(this article came out in the NY Post today, again a Conservative/GOP fanatic newspaper):
45-YEAR LOW FOR WELFARE By SALLY GOLDENBERG Last updated: 7:36 am July 9, 2008 Posted: 3:50 am July 9, 2008
Fewer New Yorkers are on the dole today than at any point over the past 45 years, figures obtained by The Post show.
The city's welfare caseload had dropped to 341,329 by June 30 - a 5.4 percent decrease from the same time last year, and an astounding 26.2 percent dip since the beginning of Mayor Bloomberg's tenure, the Human Resources Administration reported.
The welfare tally is the lowest since 1963 - and Bloomberg attributes the striking drop to his administration's reforms, as well as to the dramatic changes instituted under his predecessor. Rudy Giuliani.
Under Rudy's reign, welfare rolls - at 1,160,593 in 1995 - plummeted to 462,595 in 2001, a vanishing act tied to his tightening of standards and his weeding out fraud.
Bloomberg continued the trend, sending an early and strong message in 2003, when he vetoed a City Council attempt to make the system more accessible by letting recipients count classroom work toward extending their benefits.
The mayor also boasts that his administration has given cash incentives to job-training providers based on graduation and job-retention numbers.
"I think that we've just gotten better and better and getting people into jobs. That's the No. 1 thing," Human Resources Commissioner Robert Doar said.
He also attributed the precipitous decline to the administration's ability to persuade New Yorkers that "the best pathway out of their difficulties is with employment."
Heather Mac Donald, a fellow at the Manhattan Institute, squarely credited Giuliani for the dip.
"I think it's very much a product of the change in welfare philosophy that Mayor Giuliani introduced in '95," she said.
She said that message is still loud and clear: "The city expects you to look for work and find a job."
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quote:Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare check because I have to pass one to earn it for them?
That might cause the entire welfare system to collapse!
quote:I am talking about the lazy pos who has 6 kids gets a a gov. check because they do not know what birth control is.
No government checks for welfare deadbeats with multiple kids from multiple men WOULD kill the welfare system! Guaranteed.
quote:The welfare tally is the lowest since 1963 - and Bloomberg attributes the striking drop to his administration's reforms, as well as to the dramatic changes instituted under his predecessor. Rudy Giuliani.
In my opinion, this is just government propaganda. Bill Clinton and the republican congress largely ended welfare and started the handout shellgame. All that really happened was that the "welfare" money was redistributed through other programs, such as Section 8, food stamps, various community action, and family services entities. It's still welfare, just called something else today! I see it EVERY DAY!
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On an off note...ever notice that nine times out of ten (completely made up stat to make the point) those who strive the most ardently against drug testing\drug laws have used or are using?
Wonder why... [Confused]
hmmmmm.... maybe because Americans in general have lost what it takes to be free?
you don't mind eroding freedom as long as it fits your specific definition or specific need for freedom.
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quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: All that really happened was that the "welfare" money was redistributed through other programs, such as Section 8, food stamps, various community action, and family services entities. It's still welfare, just called something else today! I see it EVERY DAY!
Yeah, it's called WORKFARE... next!! lol this isn't Ohio... and I'm sure OH doesn't have the same figures nor other parts of the country... different places, different rules, different figures... plus as far as I'm concerned Section 8/Food stamps/etc. were all Welfare all these years and are thought as such in NY, so the article means people being eased off of those altogether...
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