"The working models in his lab generate 50 kilowatts of electricity - enough to power six or seven houses. But these, Mills says, can be scaled to drive a large, electric power plant. The inventor claims this electricity will cost less than 2 cents per kilowatt-hour, which compares to a national average of 8.9 cents."
Could this be the future??
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Wish I could invest a little in this one. I would throw a $1,000 at it even at the risk of losing it all.
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Pretty amazing stuff. And quite an impressive BOD and group of financial backers. I'd be apt to invest also based on the links you posted as well. Gotta love when people think outside the box!
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there's more than one person working on this via more than one process...
the scientists that claimed cold fusion in '89 were never proven wrong. their experiment involved low energy hydrolysis of deuterium (heavy water) and the speculation at the time was that the extra energy observed was cold fusion. nobody could detect excess ionizing radiation from the experiments, just infra-red radiation (heat)... in other words? they did something but it probably wasn't really fusion and this guy is trying to explain it...
they were shouted down and humiliated publicly, but they were not proven wrong. ultimately? the consensus was that something is happening and it isn't producing ionizing radiation (radioactive)
the discrepancies that came up in duplicating the experiments surrounded a specific batch of palladium electrode or anode (i forget which it was now). each manufacturer has different methods of making the wires, and one brand was in fact able to duplicate the experiment for some other people.. arguments raged across the scientific community and alot of people got cut off from funding for supporting MORE research into the work...
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: there's more than one person working on this via more than one process...
the scientists that claimed cold fusion in '89 were never proven wrong. their experiment involved low energy hydrolysis of deuterium (heavy water) and the speculation at the time was that the extra energy observed was cold fusion. nobody could detect excess ionizing radiation from the experiments, just infra-red radiation (heat)... in other words? they did something but it probably wasn't really fusion and this guy is trying to explain it...
they were shouted down and humiliated publicly, but they were not proven wrong. ultimately? the consensus was that something is happening and it isn't producing ionizing radiation (radioactive)
the discrepancies that came up in duplicating the experiments surrounded a specific batch of palladium electrode or anode (i forget which it was now). each manufacturer has different methods of making the wires, and one brand was in fact able to duplicate the experiment for some other people.. arguments raged across the scientific community and alot of people got cut off from funding for supporting MORE research into the work...
LOL....ok. But what do you think about the Blacklight process.
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Hey Blacklight has a working model! I will definetly follow this company and see what happens. Plus "while the cold-fusion scientists rushed to the media shortly after their "discovery," BlackLight hasn't courted press until it considered its invention commercially viable, and had lined up financing and respected board members. "
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well, from what i've been playing around with? it is likely he has something that can work.
at least he's not calling it cold fusion...
i'm not well enough versed in quantum mechanics to decide if he's right about WHY it works, but i know for a fact that he's in the right area, and i've been waiting for several patents like this to show up.
catalysis of atomic hydrogen, the BlackLight Process, represents a potential new source of energy. The hydrogen fuel is obtained by diverting a fraction of the output energy of the process to power the electrolysis of water into its elemental constituents. With water as the fuel, the operational cost of BlackLight Power generators will be very inexpensive.
since he doesn't say WHICH catalysts he's using, i won't be mentioning which ones i am aware of...
i can tell you this, my youngest got to the state finals in the science fair last year presenting a catalyst that increased the efficiency of hydrolysis by more than 100 fold over standard tap water... the reaction is nearly explosive
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BlackLight hasn't courted press until it considered its invention commercially viable, and had lined up financing and respected board members. "
that makes sense for several reasons. i bet that it's made using commonly available chemicals and metals.
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OK! here's the meat, i finally found the paper where he does explain it:
Abstract. A hydrogen plasma with intense extreme ultraviolet and visible emission was generated from low pressure hydrogen gas (0.1–1 mbar) in contact with a hot tungsten filament only when the filament heated a titanium dissociator coated with K2CO3 above 750°C. The electric field strength from the filament was about 1 V cm-1, two orders of magnitude lower than the starting voltages measured for gas glow discharges. The emission of the Hα and Hβ transitions as well as the Lα and Lβ transitions were recorded and analysed. The plasma seemed to be far from thermal equilibrium, and no conventional mechanism was found to explain the formation of a hydrogen plasma by incandescently heating hydrogen gas in the presence of trace amounts of K2CO3. The temporal behaviour of the plasma was recorded via hydrogen Balmer alpha line emission when all power into the cell was terminated and an excessive afterglow duration (2 s) was observed. The plasma was found to be dependent on the chemistry of atomic hydrogen with potassium since no plasma formed with Na2CO3 replacing K2CO3 and the time constant of the emission following the removal of all of the power to the cell matched that of the cooling of the filament and the resulting shift from atomic to molecular hydrogen. Our results indicate that a novel chemical power source is present and that it forms the energetic hydrogen plasma that is a potential new light source.
Print publication: Issue 3 (August 2003) Received 11 January 2002, in final form 3 April 2003 Published 2 June 2003
and this does work, it can relatively easily be reproduced in your garage if you are handy
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Are you sure that's accurate? The guy says in the original article that they were not successful using the Blacklight process until last year. The article you quote from is 5 years old.
"While his business has been working on the "BlackLight Process" since its inception almost two decades ago, Mills developed the patented cocktail that enables the reaction - a solid fuel made of hydrogen and a sodium hydride catalyst - only a year ago. (He recently posted instructions on the company's Web site, blacklightpower.com)."
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he has perfected it. that's what everybody has been trying to do...
this article has been in my favorites for years: "Take Water and Potash, Add Electricity and Get -- A Mystery"
by Robert Matthews, Science Correspondent In results independently verified at Bristol University, a team from Gardner Watts - an environmental technology company based in Dedham, Essex - show a "thermal energy cell" which appears to produce hundreds of times more energy than that put into it. If the findings are correct and can be reproduced on a commercial scale, the thermal energy cell could become a feature of every home, heating water for a fraction of the cost and cutting fuel bills by at least 90 per cent.
The makers of the cell, which passes an electric current through a liquid between two electrodes, admit that they cannot explain precisely how the invention works. They insist, however, that their cell is not just a repeat of the notorious "cold fusion" debacle of the late 1980s. Then two scientists claimed to have found a way of generating nuclear energy from a similar-looking device at room temperature. The findings were widely challenged and the scientists, Martin Fleischmann and Stanley Pons, accused of incompetence, fled America to set up labs in France.
i have alot of other links to people doing this research including video of the apparati working, and instructions on how to build the devices.
they've been closing down their websites over the last few months and i figured something was up, but i try not to speculate (too much).
the key was to figure out WHY this extra heat happening and extrapolate from there to get the most efficient system..it appears he did it.. we'll have to wait a little longer to see if he's got it or not...
many called it cold fusion, but the expected radioactive activity wasn't there.. and anybody claiming "cold fusion" gets laughed out of the room...
i've posted a couple of links to this here in the past
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then clik on this: Animation of the Solid Fuel Reactor
you'll see they are producing KH(1/4) the K comes from the K2C03 (carbonate of potash) or potassium carbonate. very easy to come by...
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Yeah if he has it perfected and it can be commercially viable (which he claims it is). Then this will go down as the greatest thing in the history of man. Where will oil go? To my understanding this can be set up at gas stations and the hydrogen can be accumulated and used in vehicles. This could change everything.... now how to get a piece of it? lol
quote:Originally posted by osubucks30: Yeah if he has it perfected and it can be commercially viable (which he claims it is). Then this will go down as the greatest thing in the history of man. Where will oil go? To my understanding this can be set up at gas stations and the hydrogen can be accumulated and used in vehicles. This could change everything.... now how to get a piece of it? lol
come up with your own methods. unless you have some serious venture capital to buy into the private venture, and then i would still recommend extreme caution jumping in with ANYBODY doing this...
this isn't the only one, just the first version i've seen that claims commercial viability..
there are several patents on different processes already, but nobody has developed a commercial system until now...
you really can do parts of this in your garage. one of the key elements is having the right metals in th elctrodes...
hydrogen does some weird stuff in platinum and palladium... it actually wants to load into the metal crystal stucture. i have to say that i won't hold my breath for this guy or anyone in particular, but this (commercialization) step has been expected for awhile now
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Most do not believe in this. If people believed it oil would not be at the current level.
"Incorporating existing industry knowledge in chemical and power engineering, BlackLight Power (BLP) is pursuing the immediate design and engineering of central power plants utilizing the BlackLight Process. BLP plans on developing pilot plants with architecture and engineering firms with anticipated delivery in approximately 12 to 18 months."
"With gasoline prices continually escalating, Mills says the BlackLight Process is the breakthrough we’ve all been waiting for. “The hydrogen-burning car has been possible for decades, but there has never been a way to produce cheap hydrogen until today. We are projecting that we will be at the scale of power generation necessary for a power plant to replace the gasoline pumped in a day at a station with hydrogen from water in approximately 24 months"
Guess will just have to wait and see if he can prove the skeptics wrong. For such a huge potential 18 months really is not that long to wait.
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For such a huge potential 18 months really is not that long to wait.
LOL... how do you think i feel? i've already been waiting for 3-four years...
check out the flip side to the hydrogen production:
Platinum Nanocube Makes Hydrogen Fuel Cells Cheaper And More Efficient
ScienceDaily (Apr. 22, 2008) —
During his experiments, Sun, along with Brown graduate engineering student Chao Wang and engineers from the Japanese firm Hitachi Maxwell Ltd., created polyhedron and cube shapes of different sizes by adding platinum acetylacetonate (Pt(acac)2) and a trace amount of iron pentacarbonyl (Fe(CO)5) at specific temperature ranges. The team found that cubes were more efficient catalysts, owing largely to their surface structure and their resistance to being absorbed by the sulfate in the fuel cell solution.
this is another reason why i am ho-hum on drilling everywhere..
if we had just taken one year of money in 2004 from Iraq and pumped it into the physics depts at 100 US Universities? we'd already be there by now...
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here's one of the early papers showing that something unexplained was going on.. they were still using deuterium then....
Mizuno, T., T. Ohmori, and M. Enyo, Anomalous Isotopic Distribution in Palladium Cathode After Electrolysis. J. New Energy, 1996. 1(2): p. 37. ANOMALOUS ISOTOPIC DISTRIBUTION IN PALLADIUM CATHODE AFTER ELECTROLYSIS T. Mizuno1, T.Ohmori2, and M. Enyo3 ABSTRACT It was confirmed by several analytic methods that reaction products with mass number ranging from 20 to 28, 46 to 54, and 72 to 82 are produced in palladium cathodes subjected to electrolysis in a heavy water solution at high pressure, high temperature, and high current density for one month. Isotopic distributions were radically different from the natural ones. http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/MizunoTanomalousi.pdf
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Man, I am such a sucker for this stuff. It gets me all excited though I'm not learned enough to understand half of it.
Hope I don't get dissapointed again but I have a feeling I will be.
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