In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. By 1987 that figure had risen to 61,911,000.
China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952 10,076,000 political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated in Kuomintang China, and by 1987 another 35,236,000 exterminations were carried out under the Communists.
Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, without the means to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979 under General Idi Amin Dada, 300,000 Christians and political rivals of Amin2, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Cambodia established gun control in 1956. Between 1975 and 19793, 2,035,000 "educated" people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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We may get to see a case study unfold in DC. If people are allowed to concealed carry, we'll see what happens to violent crime. Although, the truth is that most of the violent crime (and most of all the crime for that matter) is scumbag on scumbag. In the city where I work on a daily basis, crime happens almost constantly. Where I live, I'm not aware of a crime of any sort occurring within the past 15 years. The scumbags steal from each other, beat each other up, and shoot each other. If they came out here to commit crimes, someone WOULD shoot them.
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DC won't be allowing concealed carry or anything reasonable.
they'll probably make you take a four year course in gun safety before you can register your gun.
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My girl cousin was the first female in our family to go to the deer woods with the guys. She and I grew up with guns, more or less together.
In our late teens or early twenties, some guys tried to force her off a remote, rural road. One presumes bad intent: robbery, rape? who knows...young, shiny female vs. several bad actors.
First, they were surprised at her driving skills. They failed to push her vehicle into the bar ditch.
Second, they were surprised when she stepped out of the truck with a shotgun, her body language suggesting not only her confidence in operating the weapon but also her complete commitment to do so...
Had a rifle been more handy, they might have been even more surprised...
Fast forward many years: Her husband quite innocently wound up in a very bad place at a very wrong time. He was tortured before he died.
He had no weapon.
She's alive and well today, happily remarried and still hunting. We're not as close as we once were, so I have no idea whether she goes by her dead husband's grave...but I can guarantee she still wishes he would have had at least a pistol that night...
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I know my history well and can read fine thank you. Your talking continent with spanish, french, germans etc.etc ...whoever. The country on this continent was founded by English speaking people. if you come here learn it just as the poles, italians, french and everyone else did it the early years. They spoke their language in the privacy of their home no one catered to them as this counrty does now. Iv'e had realtives who fought in every war as far back as the revolutionary war fight for what this country stands for.......... and it stands for the american way of life and the american way of life isn't haven't spanish shoved down my throat everywhere I turn. And yeah I own about 10 rifles and 4 pistols
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quote:Originally posted by jgrecoconstr: I know my history well and can read fine thank you. Your talking continent with spanish, french, germans etc.etc ...whoever. The country on this continent was founded by English speaking people. if you come here learn it just as the poles, italians, french and everyone else did it the early years. They spoke their language in the privacy of their home no one catered to them as this counrty does now. Iv'e had realtives who fought in every war as far back as the revolutionary war fight for what this country stands for.......... and it stands for the american way of life and the american way of life isn't haven't spanish shoved down my throat everywhere I turn. And yeah I own about 10 rifles and 4 pistols
Your history is limited imo and alot of words that you think are english isn't. Hell alot of cities, states etc. throughout the U.S. is really not named in a english word or is a derivative of another language. But I wouldn't expect you to know that because of course a gun owning history/language expert as yourself knows everything.
And no one is forcing you to read or learn spanish. You simply ignore those words on a package or push "1" or "2" for english on the phone. Ooooooooo that is so difficult for a stereotypical lazy American. Let me tell ya lol
And btw the American way of life isn't about speaking english and we barely have a culture because were not original at all and borrow or outright steal other cultural ideas from non english speaking immigrants that helped build this country to the powerhouse it is or once was.The American Way of life is a individual choice of what it is and nothing is written in stone per say.
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In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. By 1987 that figure had risen to 61,911,000.
China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952 10,076,000 political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated in Kuomintang China, and by 1987 another 35,236,000 exterminations were carried out under the Communists.
Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, without the means to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979 under General Idi Amin Dada, 300,000 Christians and political rivals of Amin2, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Cambodia established gun control in 1956. Between 1975 and 19793, 2,035,000 "educated" people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Considering the source - a pro gun site. I would take what they say with a grain of salt. Some of those figures are accurate and some aren't or can't be proven especially the Soviet and China ones. We have a well trained professional military to defend our country from outside forces coming in and doing a genocide here unless of course you have no confidence in our military? As for something like that happening internally. Do you really think for one minute a dictator from our politicians would take over our country to do such things? I sincerely doubt it and i know you doubt it but won't admit it publicly. So again most gun owners own a gun for one of two reasons: protection from crime or because they like to blow things up. Simple as that. Has nothing to do with a militia or protecting our country or ourselves from a dictator.
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quote:Originally posted by T e x: My girl cousin was the first female in our family to go to the deer woods with the guys. She and I grew up with guns, more or less together.
In our late teens or early twenties, some guys tried to force her off a remote, rural road. One presumes bad intent: robbery, rape? who knows...young, shiny female vs. several bad actors.
First, they were surprised at her driving skills. They failed to push her vehicle into the bar ditch.
Second, they were surprised when she stepped out of the truck with a shotgun, her body language suggesting not only her confidence in operating the weapon but also her complete commitment to do so...
Had a rifle been more handy, they might have been even more surprised...
Fast forward many years: Her husband quite innocently wound up in a very bad place at a very wrong time. He was tortured before he died.
He had no weapon.
She's alive and well today, happily remarried and still hunting. We're not as close as we once were, so I have no idea whether she goes by her dead husband's grave...but I can guarantee she still wishes he would have had at least a pistol that night...
I feel for her and her late hubby Tex. But she did prove she didn't need a automatic assault weapon to protect herself. Just a show of a shotgun, pistol or rifle is sufficient enough.
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As for something like that happening internally. Do you really think for one minute a dictator from our politicians would take over our country to do such things? I sincerely doubt it and i know you doubt it but won't admit it publicly.
sorry Mach, but i believe EXACTLY that.
people in Germany didn't believe it was happening when it started.
Heck, a few people here still beleive Bush was doing the right thing invading Iraq...
you have no idea how easy it would be if the general populace has no guns. before you start saying that the military is full of good people? they shoot to kill in the miltiary if you disobey orders.
the logistics of a military coup are not that complicated. got any idea how "they" (whoever the good guys are) would even stop it?
do you think that one branch of the military can take on another?
the only thing that stops it is the overwhelming logistical problem that a fully armed populace presents, that and the economy... oops we know how fragile that can be...
people take too much for granted. way too much.
right now? the US military has hired thousands "contractors" like Blackwater... you have no idea what they are capable of. they are not there out of some Patriotic Love of Country brother, they are mercenaries.
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I don't buy the military would turn on us but then again Kent State did happen... but i definetly do not believe that any one person could take over this country internally indefinite....
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quote:Originally posted by Machiavelli: I don't buy the military would turn on us but then again Kent State did happen... but i definetly do not believe that any one person could take over this country internally indefinite....
if the people were not armed? there'd be nothing to stop it.
what's the plan if a president decides not to leave office?
ever hear of one? of course not, it's unthinkable...
that's why it would work... no plan to stop it, nobody to stop it.
sure alot of people in the military would oppose it. that happens in all coups... that's where all the fighting usually takes place in most coups- between the military factions...
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Considering the source - a pro gun site. I would take what they say with a grain of salt. Some of those figures are accurate and some aren't or can't be proven especially the Soviet and China ones.
So show me where they are inaccurate.
As for something like that happening internally. Do you really think for one minute a dictator from our politicians would take over our country to do such things? I sincerely doubt it and i know you doubt it but won't admit it publicly.
Won't admit it publically? Admit what? That I think the government is headed in a direction that is completely 'anti-constitution?' That the powers that be are taking away the freedoms our Founding Father's claimed were untouchable? How about the fact that our government wants to make us a socialist state while telling us that taking our money is for the good of all?
Which haven't I already posted about?
Do you think the german people thought the Nazi's were going to kill millions of people when they first began? How about the people that put Stalin or Lenin or Pol Pot or Mao in power? Noone acted till it was too late. Are we willing to do the same?
Since you didn't like those stats, Mach, how about some more quotes from history:
"The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed and that they are entitled to freedom of person, freedom of religion, freedom of property, and freedom of press." - Thomas Jefferson
"Congress has no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American ...the unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people." - Tench Coxe, 20 Feb 1788;
"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms..." - Richard Henry Lee, 1788, Member of the First U.S. Senate.
"That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms..." - Samuel Adams
And from our favorite gun toting maniac...
"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." - Mahatma Ghandi
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You totally miss the point. It's america, it's english there should not be any number 2 to push. The fact I have to listen to crap like that when I'm not asking for it is pushing it down my throat. No Habla Englese......... go back home and learn!! And stay there.
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Show me where it is accurate? To say 30 million people were killed is a easy thing but to prove that many were killed is not. I'm starting to think propaganda or inaccuracies in the media is not only constrained to other countries. Here's a site someone sent me tonight which I don't agree with alot of but do agree with some of it and then ask yourself who has killed 30 million? Us or them? We have as well probably indirectly if not directly:
quote:Won't admit it publically? Admit what? That I think the government is headed in a direction that is completely 'anti-constitution?' That the powers that be are taking away the freedoms our Founding Father's claimed were untouchable? How about the fact that our government wants to make us a socialist state while telling us that taking our money is for the good of all?
Which freedoms exactly are being taken away? My right to watch porn that is not child pornography or read a story that is totally fiction? Then yes you are right, my freedoms are being taken away.
As for a socialist state? You much like PM do not know what true socialism is. We are not a socialist state nor becoming one. What we are doing is helping people who cannot help themselves for whatever reason. Mainly due to poverty. That's called not being selfish and only thinking about ourselves but thinking of all our citizens not just the well to do.
quote:Which haven't I already posted about?
Do you think the german people thought the Nazi's were going to kill millions of people when they first began? How about the people that put Stalin or Lenin or Pol Pot or Mao in power? Noone acted till it was too late. Are we willing to do the same?
We have done the same to others through our own invasions or through helping others keep their dictatorships. We originally helped Sadaam, Noriega, various latin dictators, Shah of Iran etc. Please do not say our country is innocent and hasn't contributed or knowningly allowed genocides in said countries as well as the present day like Darfu in the Sudan for example.
quote:Since you didn't like those stats, Mach, how about some more quotes from history:
"The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed and that they are entitled to freedom of person, freedom of religion, freedom of property, and freedom of press." - Thomas Jefferson
"Congress has no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American ...the unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people." - Tench Coxe, 20 Feb 1788;
"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms..." - Richard Henry Lee, 1788, Member of the First U.S. Senate.
"That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms..." - Samuel Adams
And from our favorite gun toting maniac...
"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." - Mahatma Ghandi
God in a quote? Thank God for Separation of Church and State lol As for Ghandi, I never read him say that but if he did it is probably out of context because the man never used a gun in his protests in his life.
Maybe the real stats we should be looking at is not how low crime is where gun ownership is up. Because really those stats reflect small town America imo more then big cities where guns are owned legally but crime is still up. The real stats we should really look at is how many murders or violent crimes per million in this country versus other countries with stricter gun laws.
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quote:Originally posted by jgrecoconstr: You totally miss the point. It's america, it's english there should not be any number 2 to push. The fact I have to listen to crap like that when I'm not asking for it is pushing it down my throat. No Habla Englese......... go back home and learn!! And stay there.
Au contraire (i think i spelled it right), you are asking for it because you keep replying. And if you don't like seeing something then it is easy. Ignore it.
Btw many countries have 2 or more languages & have a far more richer culture other then only 1 language & a money culture. Perhaps we should be more cultured. Don't you think?
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quote:As for a socialist state? You much like PM do not know what true socialism is. We are not a socialist state nor becoming one.
Quite the contrary! If you want to know what a true socialist looks like, all you have to do is look at Barack Hussein Osama. He's socialist through and through. He wants to take profits away from successful business and spend it as he sees fit. How about that moron Maxine Waters who threatened just a couple of weeks ago to "socialize" the oil industry? Not socialists? GIVE ME A BREAK!
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To ignore your own opinion when it is something you feel passionate about or to ignore you because I don't like your train of thought is just giving up, looking the other way while you steal my rights, while you steal my way of life impossing your values, your ideas, your language into my very existance.
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Mac because my opinion doesnt match yours I'm wrong? Doesn't that seem a bit childish to you. Your not going to get your way so you'll take your taco dip and go home.
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quote:Originally posted by jgrecoconstr: Mac because my opinion doesnt match yours I'm wrong? Doesn't that seem a bit childish to you. Your not going to get your way so you'll take your taco dip and go home.
Not childish at all but making a racist remark because you have nothing better to say is. I was born here chit for brains and I'm not Mexican if that is what your implying. And by your views if I don't speak english then I should leave the country, if you haven't noticed already I do speak it quite well so I think I will stay. And if you can't ignore something you don't like then so be it. You have no one to blame but yourself.
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"Chit for brains"...... now that's grown up. Stop being so full of yourself for once. I could result to deragotory remarks toward you as you have in each post toward me but I'm alittle more mature than that. Your the typical can dish it out but can't take it guy. If you think your so right then take a poll cause you'll lose. Here's your question for your survey. Press 1 for english press 2 for bilingual. When you get the majority hitting one admit that's what americans want because they find it offensive.
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quote:Originally posted by jgrecoconstr: "Chit for brains"...... now that's grown up. Stop being so full of yourself for once. I could result to deragotory remarks toward you as you have in each post toward me but I'm alittle more mature than that. Your the typical can dish it out but can't take it guy. If you think your so right then take a poll cause you'll lose. Here's your question for your survey. Press 1 for english press 2 for bilingual. When you get the majority hitting one admit that's what americans want because they find it offensive.
About as grown up as your "taco" remark. People can argue or debate without bring race into it which you couldn't do. So if I said something offensive it was in reaction to your words. And when Hispanics are not the fastest growing minority and have the influence to swing elections with their votes then perhaps you can have your english only agenda till then come up with something better and try to leave race out of it.
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If you choose to speak only your native tongue while in a foreign land, then it's your own fault when you have trouble integrating yourself into your new home and people shouldn't go out of the way to help you because it will only encourage you to stay monolingual. Regardless....
Jgrecoconstr? If listening to 10 seconds of Spanish stresses you out...
quote:"Para información en española prensa dos"
...you should take a vacation.
Or better yet, why not look at it as an opportunity to make yourself bi-lingual. This is 2008.. being monolingual is a handicap.
If you can navigate that credit card payment menu in English I bet you could do it in Spanish as well and maybe learn something in the process. The menu options are exactly the same...
NR.
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