quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: Mach, that's ridiculous. Gays have the exact same right to get married as everyone else - TO A MEMBER OF THE OPPOSITE SEX! Marriage is between a man and a woman, so there is no such thing as Gay Marriage (between same sex partners). SIMPLE!
You really are a idiot and they should take rights away from idiots like you... anyways Gay marriage is in the future so reap it...
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Please, cut through all of the crap that's been posted here and really get down to the bottom line. Don't approve of gay marriage or equal rights for them? It has nothing to do with all this talk of family values, parenting, adherence to any passage of scripture, etc.
It boils down to the fact that you cannot stomach one man taking another mans "parts" into him. You either believe it to be abhorrent or you don't, simple as that. That's what it's all about. All of the arguments presented here, both pro and con, are nothing more than attempts to support your beliefs about the act(s) they perform behind closed doors.
And Bigfoot, you know how much I respect you and your opinions but this "it's prevalent in nature" argument simply doesn't make sense to me. They are lesser animals and not a role model we should aspire to. I've witnessed my dog hump numerous legs along with many inanimate objects just as most dogs and other lower species do but it certainly doesn't mean that we as humans should do and accept the same.
Enough, I'm done venting, carry on. One other thing though, I purposely left lesbians out of the equation because as Highwaychild said, we all know that's acceptable.
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I've given my reasons for my opposition to gay marriage. I have explained my beliefs as to what the consequences to allowing it would be. Nothing in my posts directed anything resembling antipathy toward the individuals themselves. I don't agree with their choices, but I respect that it is THEIR choices.
Your fear of homosexuals getting married is in fact a fear of homosexuals themselves. So therefor you are by those means homophobic. Also as for your beliefs in the consequences of their marriages when they happen. Put this food for thought. Gays have been living with their significant others for years. Marriage really is just a formality since it would not change their living arrangements. So wouldn't it suffice to say that since their living together in society openly throughout the aages has not affected what you said it would affect ,then in fact you were wrong.
Face it, your fear of homosexuals because of the cr*p your religion teaches or more like it brainwashes you with is what this is really about.
quote:Sorry, now for my moment of pettiness...
Mach, I don't know what sick priest you were an altar boy for...but not every christian conservative is the hate mongering bible belter you seem to think we are. There are those of us who actually do believe that "Love thy Neighbor" was more than just a passing suggestion. Just because I\we disagree with something doesn't mean we ostracize people for it.
Love the sinner, hate the sin.
I was never a altar boy because i was smart enough when I was a child to rebel against organized religion. It really makes me laugh that in this day and age modern people believe in a God that was created by ancient man because he couldn't explain simple things like earthquakes, floods, eclipses etc. due to lack of knowlege of science.The other reason for religion in ancient times as well as modern times is control. What better way to have power and control over the masses other then politics then by religion? You just have to be charismatic and a well spoken preacher then tell them God said this and God said that. You know the ole saying. There is a fool born every second. Ever hear the saying Religion is the Opiate of the Masses?.
Anyways as for the hate mongering christian. We see that everyday in this country so spare me the "Love thy Neighbor" speech. Christians love homosexuals aka sinner in your eyes as much as Hitler loved Jews. What you and other christians say publicly on a internet forum is most likely different then what is said privately among family and friends or even at Church.
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quote:Originally posted by Upside: Please, cut through all of the crap that's been posted here and really get down to the bottom line. Don't approve of gay marriage or equal rights for them? It has nothing to do with all this talk of family values, parenting, adherence to any passage of scripture, etc.
It boils down to the fact that you cannot stomach one man taking another mans "parts" into him. You either believe it to be abhorrent or you don't, simple as that. That's what it's all about. All of the arguments presented here, both pro and con, are nothing more than attempts to support your beliefs about the act(s) they perform behind closed doors.
And Bigfoot, you know how much I respect you and your opinions but this "it's prevalent in nature" argument simply doesn't make sense to me. They are lesser animals and not a role model we should aspire to. I've witnessed my dog hump numerous legs along with many inanimate objects just as most dogs and other lower species do but it certainly doesn't mean that we as humans should do and accept the same.
Enough, I'm done venting, carry on. One other thing though, I purposely left lesbians out of the equation because as Highwaychild said, we all know that's acceptable.
At least you admit what this is really about and that you yourself hate homosexuals. I wish SeekingFreedom would do the same and stop playing this charade.
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Upside i think some of the posts just veered a little from the main topic seems to happen once in awhile on allstocks.
As far as the song is concerned i always got the impression that it was saying that dad pretty much ignored his son and now his son was ignoring dad...and so how does it feel dad.
I do not feel that is necessarily being responsible. I guess some could say it is being responsible because he did bring money home to raise his kid i think.
My point earlier was that you should make time for your kids and i feel that is our responsibility as parents
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quote:Originally posted by Upside: Please, cut through all of the crap that's been posted here and really get down to the bottom line. Don't approve of gay marriage or equal rights for them? It has nothing to do with all this talk of family values, parenting, adherence to any passage of scripture, etc.
It boils down to the fact that you cannot stomach one man taking another mans "parts" into him. You either believe it to be abhorrent or you don't, simple as that. That's what it's all about. All of the arguments presented here, both pro and con, are nothing more than attempts to support your beliefs about the act(s) they perform behind closed doors.
And Bigfoot, you know how much I respect you and your opinions but this "it's prevalent in nature" argument simply doesn't make sense to me. They are lesser animals and not a role model we should aspire to. I've witnessed my dog hump numerous legs along with many inanimate objects just as most dogs and other lower species do but it certainly doesn't mean that we as humans should do and accept the same.
Enough, I'm done venting, carry on. One other thing though, I purposely left lesbians out of the equation because as Highwaychild said, we all know that's acceptable.
Ok, lol, I'll go off on you, cuz I know you can take it...
quote:It boils down to the fact that you cannot stomach one man taking another mans "parts" into him.
I could not care less, even though I personally don't want a guy "hanging around" my stomach, especially from the inside. A *really cute* female with a strap-on? m-a-y-b-e, lol...we males all got that prostate thang. But, no, I ain't looking into some dude's eyes, if you catch my drift...
As far as what other guys do? who cares what *anybody* does, sexually? Especially if it's "behind closed doors." For instance, I suspect you of doing stuff with seafood that I would not be interested in. Still, that's part of your charm...you and the fey smile of the sexual outlaw.
quote:One other thing though, I purposely left lesbians out of the equation because as Highwaychild said, we all know that's acceptable.
That's cuz you have the many-shared fantasy that somehow lesbian-nymphos will "wake up" and realize what really need is a "real man," lol...
ain't gonna happen, bro...
Now...what really happens, at least in this country, is that homo-kids feel so much pressure to deny themselves that many wind up deceiving not only themselves but also a gal or guy with whom they bond emotionally, spiritually, etc.
Some don't enjoy sex in that situation, but they tough it out. Others love the sex (my own situation). Either way, there's often kids involved, and *usually* the kids get to go through a particularly heart-wrenching explosion of the family and household, when the homo-partner j-u-s-t can't *pretend* anymore.
And this chit doesn't just rock one household...it's like an emotional earthquake, with tremblors rumbling into the various workplaces, Grandma's house...the cousins, vendors, buyers, etc.
quote:Originally posted by IWISHIHAD: I do not feel that is necessarily being responsible. I guess some could say it is being responsible because he did bring money home to raise his kid i think.
yah, that is what i meant about responsible. He was too busy working and bringing home the bread.
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quote:Originally posted by T e x: That's cuz you have the many-shared fantasy that somehow lesbian-nymphos will "wake up" and realize what really need is a "real man," lol...
No, i really think what he said is what most men think. That we accept good looking lesbians and are turned on by it or bisexual women. Has nothing to do with that they need a "real man". It's just a turn on.
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quote:It boils down to the fact that you cannot stomach one man...(rant deleted)
No, it all boils down to right and wrong. Nobody cares what people do behind closed doors in the privacy of their home. However, when gays think they are so special that they can re-write a centuries-old definition of "marriage", that's a problem. Gays have EXACTLY the same rights as everyone else and they certainly shouldn't have any additional rights. If they want to shack up, have at it. If they want to change the definition of "marriage" - FORGET IT! Apparently, even out there in California, the heart of socialist lefto land, 61% of the population wanted marriage to be between a man and a woman. Here in the midwest where people still have common sense and still know the difference between right and wrong, an overwhelming majority of the people know the definition of "marriage".
quote:Christians love homosexuals aka sinner in your eyes as much as Hitler loved Jews. What you and other christians say publicly on a internet forum is most likely different then what is said privately among family and friends or even at Church.
That is the most mis-informed, ridiculous statement I've ever heard. Christians (with the possible exception of Rev. Wright and his 19th century black liberation church) don't hate any group and certainly don't want to exterminate anyone. I go to church EVERY week and I have NEVER heard a Christian advocate that privately or publicly - NEVER.
quote:It really makes me laugh that in this day and age modern people believe in a God that was created by ancient man because he couldn't explain simple things like earthquakes, floods, eclipses etc. due to lack of knowlege of science.
Now I see where you're going wrong. God wasn't created by man - man was created by God! Hope that helps!
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Your fear of homosexuals getting married is in fact a fear of homosexuals themselves. So therefor you are by those means homophobic.
That's a pretty neat jump in logic, Mach. I don't fear smokers...I do fear teaching our children that's it's healthy to smoke. Same concept.
I was never a altar boy because i was smart enough when I was a child to rebel against organized religion.
Dang, I hate it when good sarcasm goes to waste.
Yeah, you're right, Mach. It really is only rubes like George Washington, Abe Lincoln and Albert Einstein that buy into that whole divine creator crap. Good thing you were an atheistic prodigy and managed to avoid the scam. Word up!
Anyways as for the hate mongering christian. We see that everyday in this country so spare me the "Love thy Neighbor" speech.
Yep. And we see 'angry, black men,' 'lazy hispanics,' 'tight-fisted jews,' and 'violent muslims.' Did I get them all or do you have any other generlized predjudices I missed?
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quote:Originally posted by T e x: That's cuz you have the many-shared fantasy that somehow lesbian-nymphos will "wake up" and realize what really need is a "real man," lol...
No, i really think what he said is what most men think. That we accept good looking lesbians and are turned on by it or bisexual women. Has nothing to do with that they need a "real man". It's just a turn on.
as a concept, I understand...when you're around it very long, it's no turn on. Women who dig men? Now, that's a turn-on
quote:If you really want it, I will link you to several studies that support what I've said. I specifically didn't for one reason: you won't accept them.
You got that right!!!
quote:but the bottom line is you do not want homosexuals (both male and female) to have the same rights as heterosexuals and that includes issues not pertaining to marriage.
TOTAL NONSENSE! Conservatives want gays to have EXACTLY the same rights as everyone else - WITH NO PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT!
LOL PM! GET THIS THROUGH YOUR HEAD! If gay marriage is legalized then you will have the right to marry another man if you choose, just like gay men. THEREFORE THERE IS NO PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT!
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quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: No, it all boils down to right and wrong. Nobody cares what people do behind closed doors in the privacy of their home. However, when gays think they are so special that they can re-write a centuries-old definition of "marriage", that's a problem. Gays have EXACTLY the same rights as everyone else and they certainly shouldn't have any additional rights. If they want to shack up, have at it. If they want to change the definition of "marriage" - FORGET IT! Apparently, even out there in California, the heart of socialist lefto land, 61% of the population wanted marriage to be between a man and a woman. Here in the midwest where people still have common sense and still know the difference between right and wrong, an overwhelming majority of the people know the definition of "marriage".
The definition of "marriage" was created by heterosexuals... how convenient... . The midwest has no sense other then their Christian agenda that they get from the greatest fiction book ever written: The Bible.
quote:That is the most mis-informed, ridiculous statement I've ever heard. Christians (with the possible exception of Rev. Wright and his 19th century black liberation church) don't hate any group and certainly don't want to exterminate anyone. I go to church EVERY week and I have NEVER heard a Christian advocate that privately or publicly - NEVER.
There you go again, twisting my words around.When did I say anything about extermination?. And please don't give me the BS that you never heard a Christian advocating hatred towards homosexuals. If your going to write here in this forum and say that you never heard a Christian throughout your life utter the words f*g & other choice words to another individual because they thought or knew that person was a homosexual then you need to get that shovel out of the closet because your full of sh*t.
quote:Now I see where you're going wrong. God wasn't created by man - man was created by God! Hope that helps!
I can prove Man wrote the Bible, the greatest fiction ever written, can you prove God created Man?
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quote:Originally posted by Upside: Please, cut through all of the crap that's been posted here and really get down to the bottom line. Don't approve of gay marriage or equal rights for them? It has nothing to do with all this talk of family values, parenting, adherence to any passage of scripture, etc.
It boils down to the fact that you cannot stomach one man taking another mans "parts" into him. You either believe it to be abhorrent or you don't, simple as that. That's what it's all about. All of the arguments presented here, both pro and con, are nothing more than attempts to support your beliefs about the act(s) they perform behind closed doors.
And Bigfoot, you know how much I respect you and your opinions but this "it's prevalent in nature" argument simply doesn't make sense to me. They are lesser animals and not a role model we should aspire to. I've witnessed my dog hump numerous legs along with many inanimate objects just as most dogs and other lower species do but it certainly doesn't mean that we as humans should do and accept the same.
Enough, I'm done venting, carry on. One other thing though, I purposely left lesbians out of the equation because as Highwaychild said, we all know that's acceptable.
LOL...I liked it UP. It think you just asked us to stop *****footing about *****es.
I would only ask that you take a look at your dog's behavior again and then take a gander at Perez Hilton's website and see what is going on in Hollyweird. If you are like me you will notice similarities. (no inhibitions)
It's an extreme example but the point I am trying to get across is that though we have evolved quite nicely we are still a product of nature and will reflect nature within ourselves as a species. You can believe that girls don't fart all you like, but one day you will find yourself navigating an ill wind.
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lol, now you sound like a homo guy who wants a straight guy...how often you think that happens?
Yep, pretty much the same thing. As to how often it actually happens? I'm sure it's extremely rare. I wouldn't say never though and therein lies the challenge. Posts: 5729 | From: Wisconsin | Registered: Sep 2003
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I never did respond to your rebuttal a few days ago. (Haven't had time to post much)
I am happy to do so if you would like but perhaps the conversation has moved beyond that point?
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quote:Originally posted by T e x: That's a classic, awright...
Up, I've had 'em come on to me...why? Trying to get to my wife.
You were used Tex. A tool of sorts. It's a good piece of advice though. I'll now be a bit more cautious if, no, when it happens.
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Not at all, Big. Love to hear from you. Fire at will...err, me...well, you get it.
And, Mach, you can prove man wrote the Bible just as I can prove a secretary takes notation. You can't prove the source of the material transcribed.
Up, as to the lesbians = good, gays = bad idea...right and wrong should have something a little bit more objective to measure by other than the 'limp noodle vs saluting soldier' method. Posts: 1802 | From: Utah | Registered: Mar 2008
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What gays/lesbians do between themselves is their business as long as they do not have kids or adopt them.
But once they decide to do that (adopt/have kids) then it ticks me off (not that they care) because they are only doing what's good for "them" and not what is good for the kids.
There is so much bs slung about the kids in these homes having a very natural home no different than any other one.
My experiance with kids in these situations says that idea is way off base.
If kids are born into this situation where the parent all the sudden finds out he or she has a same sex liking then not much can be done, but when they have kids and know prior shame on them.
The kids do suffer.
What we need is some more things to mess with the kids minds as if they don't have enough things with the trouble times.
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quote:Originally posted by IWISHIHAD: Here's my two cents on the subject.
What gays/lesbians do between themselves is their business as long as they do not have kids or adopt them.
But once they decide to do that (adopt/have kids) then it ticks me off (not that they care) because they are only doing what's good for "them" and not what is good for the kids.
There is so much bs slung about the kids in these homes having a very natural home no different than any other one.
My experiance with kids in these situations says that idea is way off base.
If kids are born into this situation where the parent all the sudden finds out he or she has a same sex liking then not much can be done, but when they have kids and know prior shame on them.
The kids do suffer.
What we need is some more things to mess with the kids minds as if they don't have enough things with the trouble times.
Actually, I'd rather see the adoption deal.
It's devastating to go through the process of them "realizing who they are" and get your family blown up...very painful.
Talk about feeling used...
That's why homo kids need support instead of shame--so they don't try to live a lie by getting married, then later ruining some gal's or guy's life.
Plus, for a lot of adoptees...ANY kind of family nuturing is prolly better than what they've got...
You know more on this subject than me from what little you have written about it.
I am not even sure that in the cases of adoption that they are not just thrusting another major problem on these kids to compound the ones they already have. Only time will tell that and each person would have his/her view.
My little experiance in the subject mainly comes from the early sixties and little later.
My older brother had a friend that lived with us in his senior year because his mom had moved in with her girlfriend and he could not handle it so my parents allowed him to live with us.
I also had a very good friend of mine since i was 5 we hung around each other till high school, his dad whom i am sure was gay yet he stayed married. Every thing seem okay with my friend and i never thought much of it my whole life but i think things caught up with him later in life.
There was never any thing i ever heard mentioned about his dad anywhere, no teasing at all around any of my friends. Rather unusal for the sixties i think.
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It's all relative. eg, my ex is the best thing that ever happened to her gf's kids; my own kids, though? not so much. My ex does goofy stuff now that she would have never done when we were together. Is strange for me cuz I feel more like a widower: the woman I knew is gone, yet I can see her body moving around, alive... (like at graduations and such).
Sure wish we had all the right answers for these situations. Just lucky your kids have good support and help if they need it.
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Why is it that in these same sex relationships does it appear that one person seems to want to play the role of being more male and one more female almost acting like it is a male/female relationship.
Seems like many times this appears to be the case or maybe it is just the ones that stand out more to me.
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