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how'd this not make the major network newscasts last week?
Mexico's Police Chief Is Killed In Brazen Attack by Gunmen By Manuel Roig-Franzia Washington Post Foreign Service Friday, May 9, 2008; Page A01
MEXICO CITY, May 8 -- Gunmen assassinated Mexico's national police chief Thursday, blasting him with nine bullets outside his home in the capital and dealing a significant setback to the government's campaign against drug cartels.
the wires picked this one up today:
Three Mexican police chiefs request U.S. asylum as drug violence escalates
The Associated Press
Wednesday, May 14th 2008, 10:42 AM
WASHINGTON —Three Mexican police chiefs have requested political asylum in the U.S. as violence escalates in the Mexican drug wars and spills across the U.S. border, a top Homeland Security official said.
In the past few months, the police officials have shown up at the U.S. border, fearing for their lives, according to Jayson Ahern, the deputy commissioner of Customs and Border Protection.
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All one has to do is see a totaly disgruntled working class. High unemployment, Crime running rampent, and the government unable to compete with the drug lords deep pocke6ts that turns the tables on them by buying off there law enforcment people and puting them on there payrole. If they can't looks like they are just exacuting them.
If there was not a market for drugs things would be much better for are friends south of the border.
We may need our troops back from Iraq to establish order in Mexico
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I wouldn't say Mexico is falling apart in regards that it will collapse... far from that ever happening... I would say Mexico is where Colombia was when Pablo Escobar was alive... Today Colombia is far improved even though it still has it's narco-terrorism problem... All it took is a President(s) and Gov't with ballz to take on the cartels and bring the fight to them instead of waiting like sitting ducks to get assassinated... We do not need to put our troops in Mexico to get more of a bad reputation that we interfere directly in other country's personal affairs... but we can provide money and other support like we did with Colombia...
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i donno about US sending troops to Mexico, but having our troops on the border to do more thorough customs inspections would be a good idea....
we search less than 1 in 10 shipments coming into the country.
Mexico cartels post 'help wanted' ads Updated 19d ago By Chris Hawley, USA TODAY MEXICO CITY — One of Mexico's biggest drug cartels has launched a brazen recruiting campaign, putting up fliers and banners promising good pay, free cars and better food to army soldiers who join the cartel's elite band of hit men.
"Former soldiers sought to form armed group; good pay, 500 dollars," the fliers read.
And a 10-foot-long banner appeared on a pedestrian bridge over Nuevo Laredo's Reforma Avenue, coaxing soldiers to join the Zetas, the Gulf Cartel's hit squad.
The Zetas want you
"The Zetas operations group wants you, soldier or ex-soldier," the banner said. "We offer you a good salary, food and attention for your family. Don't suffer hunger and abuse any more."
It listed a cellphone number, which was disconnected a few days later. The banner was taken down a few hours after it was spotted.
Last week, another banner in the city of Tampico asked soldiers and federal agents to defect.
"Join the ranks of the Gulf Cartel," it said. "We offer benefits, life insurance, a house for your family and children. Stop living in the slums and riding the bus. A new car or truck, your choice."
Authorities said the signs were probably an attempt to demoralize the soldiers and police, rather than a serious recruiting effort.
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(03-31) 04:00 PDT Agua Prieta, Mexico -- At the Center to Aid Migrants in Exodus shelter, would-be immigrants to the United States shared stories of violence at the hands of human smugglers working for drug cartels.
"You used to be able to walk across" the border, said Javier Corazon, 48, who says he lived in Tucson for decades before being deported two years ago. "Now you never know what's going to happen. They may leave you, beat you or worse."
The 30 or so beds at the shelter in this small Mexican town near the Arizona border were filled mostly with Mexicans and a few Central Americans, some of whom remain determined to cross the border.
"The only thing they have to look forward to when dealing with the 'coyotes' is more abuse," said Rosa Soto Moreno, a shelter volunteer.
Meanwhile, drug cartel coyotes from Texas to California are playing an increasingly sophisticated game of cat-and-mouse, of surveillance and countersurveillance, with U.S. authorities, border agents say. When coyotes are caught, violence against U.S. officials is becoming more common. Romero says that even though illegal immigration and crime has decreased in the El Paso area, attacks on U.S. agents have increased by 150 percent.
The rampant violence on both sides of the border has not gone unnoticed by the governments of both nations.
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Mexico is falling apart you will see pretty soon the government will break down and respond with violence brute force to every little problem.
Mark my words you will see it happen and sooner than you think.
If America was not acting as a saftey valve for all these years by taking all thier unemployed they just might have had another revolutiion sooner. and I would be writting about that now.
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and if we weren't so involved in Iraq? we could have been dealing with this problem and Afghanistan and several others much better than we have been
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quote:Originally posted by bond006: Mexico is falling apart you will see pretty soon the government will break down and respond with violence brute force to every little problem.
Mark my words you will see it happen and sooner than you think.
If America was not acting as a saftey valve for all these years by taking all thier unemployed they just might have had another revolutiion sooner. and I would be writting about that now.
I guess you totally ignored what I had said about Colombia during the time of Pablo Escobar... they were a whole lot worst in terms of violence and Narco-Terrorism back then.... and they didnt' collapse nor did we have to send our troops in there and cause another mess like Iraq... all that was needed in that country was to take out Pablo Escobar and the remaining traffickers would lay low after that and think twice about taking on the State... that is what Mexico needs to do...
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mexico is a great country for growing good weed..(so is cali..afghan...thailand..etc)..people all over the world want to smoke good weed...somethings gotta give, and it wont be the cartels..
kinda like the ghetto...you can only move it around
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quote:We may need our troops back from Iraq to establish order in Mexico
So, let me get this straight. You want to bring our troups home from Iraq and then invade Mexico?
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: this is even more disconcerting:
Mexican drug cartels move into human smuggling
David Francis, Chronicle Foreign Service
Monday, March 31, 2008
(03-31) 04:00 PDT Agua Prieta, Mexico -- At the Center to Aid Migrants in Exodus shelter, would-be immigrants to the United States shared stories of violence at the hands of human smugglers working for drug cartels.
"You used to be able to walk across" the border, said Javier Corazon, 48, who says he lived in Tucson for decades before being deported two years ago. "Now you never know what's going to happen. They may leave you, beat you or worse."
The 30 or so beds at the shelter in this small Mexican town near the Arizona border were filled mostly with Mexicans and a few Central Americans, some of whom remain determined to cross the border.
"The only thing they have to look forward to when dealing with the 'coyotes' is more abuse," said Rosa Soto Moreno, a shelter volunteer.
Meanwhile, drug cartel coyotes from Texas to California are playing an increasingly sophisticated game of cat-and-mouse, of surveillance and countersurveillance, with U.S. authorities, border agents say. When coyotes are caught, violence against U.S. officials is becoming more common. Romero says that even though illegal immigration and crime has decreased in the El Paso area, attacks on U.S. agents have increased by 150 percent.
The rampant violence on both sides of the border has not gone unnoticed by the governments of both nations.
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a google seems to indicate that it's a single "outpost" and not an organised group of "outposts"
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Mexico moved one step closer to a social explosion with the Federal Election Tribunal's decision to crown conservative Felipe Calderon as the victor in the hotly contested presidential elections of July 2. The tribunal acknowledged Calderon's campaign had "violated the norms of public order," particularly with the role played by the business associations in airing rabid TV ads attacking leftist candidate Andres Miguel Lopez Obrador. But it refused to question the fundamental legitimacy of the elections or to recount all the votes as demanded by the leftist opposition.
Lopez Obrador immediately rejected the tribunal's ruling, declaring that a "privileged minority" has seized control of Mexico's institutions, "keeping the country in ruins and the majority in poverty". He called for the convening on September 16 of a National Democratic Convention "to form a government that has the legitimacy to reestablish the Republic and constitutional order".
As he spoke tens of thousands of his supporters retained control for the 37th consecutive day of the centre of Mexico City around the Zocalo, the country's main historic plaza. The rest of Mexico is also gripped with unrest, particularly the city of Oaxaca to the south. There some 350 popular organizations have staged a virtual insurrection, taking control of the city and demanding the ouster of the state's governor. While not directly tied to the presidential election, the movement reflects the profound discontent in recent years that has led to similar uprisings in Chiapas, Mexico's southern most state, and in San Salvador Atenco, a city that borders on the capital.
Some political observers, like Denise Dresser of Mexico's Autonomous Technical Institute, recognize the legitimacy of much of the political and economic platform of the left, but lament the "refusal of Lopez Obrador to move to the centre, to modify his demands. He says 'to hell with the institutions' and this could tear the country apart".
But the real problem of Mexico runs much deeper. The entrenched political classes along with the Electoral Tribunal, and the Federal Electoral Institute before it, will not make any concessions to Lopez Obrador because they are afraid the entire system of privileges will collapse if they make even modest concessions.
The campaign slogan of Lopez Obrador was straightforward: "For the good of all, the poor first." His program during the campaign was actually quite reformist. In a country where half the population lives below the poverty line Lopez Obrador pledged to provide a stipend to the elderly and healthcare for the poor. Millions of jobs would also be created, particularly by undertaking large construction projects to modernize Mexico's dilapidated transportation system. He also promised to renegotiate the North American Free Trade Agreement with the United States, particularly the clauses that allow the importation of cheap subsidized grains that undermine Mexico's peasant producers.
More importantly Lopez Obrador pledged to break up the corrupt economic relationship that exists between the business class and government bureaucrats. Everyone in Mexico knows that bribes and kickbacks are commonplace throughout Mexico as much of the country's wealth is skimmed off at the expense of the workers and the poor. This system existed under the previous governments of the Institutional Revolutionary Party (PRI). It became particularly insidious under the incumbent President Vincente Fox and his National Action party (PAN) because it more than the PRI, is the party of an entrenched business elite. And not only is Lopez Obrador threatening to break up the system of inside favours and corruption, he is also proclaiming that the rich will have to pay the income and business taxes that they routinely avoid.
All this is too much for the dominant classes. They cannot countenance a thorough review of the election process or the opening of the ballot boxes to recount all the votes in an election that was fraught with innumerable irregularities. It is this privileged minority that has radicalized Lopez Obrador and the Mexican masses.
Mexico has had two major social upheavals in its history. One came with the independence movement in 1810, and the other with the revolution that began in 1910 with a fraudulent election staged by a dictator. On September 16, the same day on which a military parade will take place in Mexico City, a massive popular assembly will be held to discuss the creation of an authentic democracy and the possible formation of a parallel government. This could very well be Mexico's next revolution, four years before the century mark.
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