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CashCowMoo
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When I got out of the Army last month (April 7th) I got a job at a "commodities firm" In the beginning it looked great. Something for me to get into selling gold and silver bullion. I wanted to do this for a month or two to get some side cash before I went down south on a business trip for a company I put together involved with oil and gas. I told myself though if this job was really that good then I would stay for a while if the money was right.

Well, it ended up being a boiler room operation. I agreed to a small hourly wage and then a percentage of the ounces of bullion I would sell. VERY soon after being there something was up. I found out they had recently changed names, and their previous office was across the hall so they changed names and addresses but in the same overall big office building. Something was fishy, and when I asked questions about the recent name change and move there wasnt much in response. So then...my first time looking into the office across the hall I looked in and saw a bunch of phone, and equipment lying around that wasnt being used. Boiler room I thought.


Well so one weekend the CEO made us move locations...this was the second move, and the third name change. The first move for me and the first name change for me...now something was weird. We did it all in 2 days and we were hurried. Last Friday the CEO went to jail for credit card theft of over $100,000 and also was running the business without a federal tax ID. I was given a paycheck for my hours...nothing big at all but it was something. I was told on May 1st to not cash it till the next day because there was no money in the account....so then the next day they said the same thing, this went on for days. Then it was May 8th and I was out of town (took a few days off) and called into town asking why I STILL couldnt cash it. They told me the money wasnt there.


It seems through my observation the company was built on credit lines, and any sales profit went straight into the CEOs bank without IRS knowing.

My last day...before I decided to quit I left at 2pm instead of the usual 4:30. I left because it had been almost a week and the paychecks werent good. I said im not working until they pay me. The "head broker" who I come to realized is just a snake telemarketer telling everyone he is is such a pro....this guy calls me telling me its pretty much MY FAULT im not able to cash the check because i didnt open accounts!

I refused to open accounts at this place until I figured out what was so fishy. Im so glad I didnt because now the old accounts opened under the second company name are hosed. They just dial as many people as possible...try to get as much money out of them as possible, and then move on to the next. There is no REAL business, no REAL client service, its all just pressure selling over the phone. Someone there told me (another rep) how before I came there they milked some guy that was in a retirement home! it was SICK.


So now they owe me for about 66 hours, and although not much its the principle of the matter.

The "head broker" who told me it was MY fault for not getting paid said "I have no reason to complain because they gave me a company laptop and a company cell phone"

Pretty much saying look at what we give you and you complain. Well I never WANTED a cell phone because I have my own with unlimited minutes so whats the point right? And I dont need a laptop either because I have one of those.

Phones and laptop, yeah corporate credit.

I found out the first name the company was under ran up a credit line of 500K. Shut down shop, moved across the hall and there it goes again. The company is all jacked up...phone systems repo'd, bills 3 months behind, owes money to car companies...thousands for rentals that arent paid...its a mess.


So my question is...what do I do about this? I spent money on gas, time, you know..being there for a few weeks working thinking I would get paid and now this.

What do I do?


Oh, and they are blowing me off. I keep on trying to call the CFO and his phone stays off all day and goes to voicemail ...his name isnt even on it all i get is an automated message. The 1-800 number is routed to the secretary and she wont answer now. The land line phone system that was repod is gone so no phones in the office. I cant get ahold of anyone.

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give half a day to the DA, with as many facts as you can remember...then forget about it for now, and MOVE ON--get something real lined up.

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There are many options but not many good for you in long run.

Cash out the laptop subtract it from money owed.

Turn them into the state labor board and see if they can get the money.

File for unemployment.

Take it as a lesson learned and hope they do not come after you thinking you were part of the scheme. Just a few suggestions and maybe none of them any good.

Sounds like a real mess i have been in a few myself.

Good Luck.

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Contact the Better Business Beaurau,The IRS is probably looking for them as well.If there is an FBI office you may drop a hint to them just in case of any investigations that may be open.Let me know the name of the company just in case they contact me so I will know in advance not to deal with them,my broker is in Cali.

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BBB waste of time; FBI is a good idea

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The CEO has been to jail and is probably going to prison. The company is broke and FAR in debt. Their checks are no good. The phones are shut off. It's over! I would simply keep the laptop and cell phone and move on.

You could waste your time calling the police, FBI, or IRS, but obviously this company is already known by the authorities since the CEO has already been caught. So, what benefit is that to you?

I would consider this a learning expense and move on to a real job.

Good Luck!

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i say do contact the FBI, let them know that you are willing to give statements. you never know which customers will want blood. if the co failed to deliver on anything they sold? that's not just failure to pay bills.

this may be critical for YOU in a future job.


you might mention that guys name that told you about the retired guy they "milked" [Wink]

as for your money? it's probably gone. but if they go into recievership? you may be able to get it back. alot of these guys are not nearly as slick as they think they are.

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The extent of this guys past may cut a deeper rut imo. I agree with PM they are on to him but as you were an employee your name could pop up and they could hunt for you as well sooner or later. There may even be useful info on the lap top and phone. Make sure your name is clear, if you gave them your SSN I would consider protecting yourself with the credit companies by putting a lock on your SSN so no new credit can be written without your authorization. Be aware of identity theft.

You may find some helpful info here.
http://www.whistleblowers.org/

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IMO, contact the local police department, they probably have an ongoing investigation since the CEO has already been jailed for credit card theft. DON'T sell the computer or cell phone, they were more than likely purchased as part of the credit card theft and can be easily traced. I would turn them over to the authorities.

I say start with local authorities and they can advise if you need to contact any other agency. The main thing here is to cover you A$$.

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quote:

"DON'T sell the computer or cell phone, they were more than likely purchased as part of the credit card theft and can be easily traced. I would turn them over to the authorities."

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I don't know if there is any law agaist selling the laptop and phone Wallymac, but in my past experience and in friends that were in this situation(although not fraud) the only way to not hold the whole bag was to sell off what we held and keep the receipt.
Better the credit card company hold the bag instead of him just my opinion.

I will take a guess here and speculate that the only thing CashCowMoo will end up with in the end is a big headache and a lot of wasted time.

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I think consensus here (which I agree with) is that if you don't contact someone it might bite you in the ass later.

IMO the police and FBI do not talk to each other half as much as you think they do and it would be best to contact each group separately. If they blow you off then fine, BUT get a business card or email reply or something and hold it in your files so that if anyone ever does come knockin on your door regarding this company you can prove you made the first move.

I don't want you to answer this but you might think about what is in your hard drive and phone records. Is there anything in there that might look like you willingly took part in an illegal activity to a reconstruction tech? If so, get rid of it. If not, you never know what might be helpful to a case and should hold on to it until you know if the cops/FBI are interested in pursuing this.

Good Luck CCM. Let us know.

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If they blow you off then fine, BUT get a business card or email reply or something and hold it in your files so that if anyone ever does come knockin on your door regarding this company you can prove you made the first move.

exactly. and they probably will blow you off...

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quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
give half a day to the DA, with as many facts as you can remember...then forget about it for now, and MOVE ON--get something real lined up.

o

Oh I do have something lined up. I set it up during my first tour in my spare time, and then when I got back from my second tour I set another "C" corp up. Those are my full time things right now...the job was just for some side pocket change before I head down to louisiana for 2 months on business. Man is it going to be hot down there!!!

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wow this is scary some of the things im reading but i do appreciate the help! I called them today and said look...im not going to let you F me in the A. Told them times up and now im going to talk to lawyers which I did whom gave me the number to the prosecutor working the case....I left this all on a voicemail. How funny they finally decide to call me back and oh wow they have money for me too imagine that.


in fact it was a little bit over what i was expecting and the CFO is paying me out of his personal bank account so thats all i need to make me happy.


THANK YOU everyone for the posts and advise it really got me thinking. I would love to talk with the FBI and maybe still will just to get the CEO where he belongs. However tomorrow im supposed to pick up the money so im happy! now if that check doesnt cash...lol...then im really going to lose my marbles!!!!!!!!!!!


its from someone I believe in the company..the only one left who has some decency in him

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Very Cool CCM... just keep him off of allstocks. LOL

Good luck down south and everywhere else!

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You must have a lot of four leaf clovers, horse shoes and rabbits feet if you are actually getting your money. Not to many people that are in your situation every get anything but a headache.

Cash that check quick or if possible get Green Backs.

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quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
However tomorrow im supposed to pick up the money

Watch your back CCM, liars and thieves sometimes do much worse things in the name of silence.

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Damn, this is the most exciting thing thats happened on here for a while LOL [Razz]

Good luck w/ everything CashCow!

Let us know how everything pans out. [Smile]

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CC,
Post the phone number... or numbers here.
I am certain we can help.
We all know how forward I can be.
Surely we also know I am not the only one here.
You should know you won't be getting a dime from them, but at the very least your friends can clog their lines and annoy the living crap out of them for weeks if not months...

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I would still report them to the Feds or any other agency but only after you get the money in your hands...

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quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
give half a day to the DA, with as many facts as you can remember...then forget about it for now, and MOVE ON--get something real lined up.

o

Oh I do have something lined up. I set it up during my first tour in my spare time, and then when I got back from my second tour I set another "C" corp up. Those are my full time things right now...the job was just for some side pocket change before I head down to louisiana for 2 months on business. Man is it going to be hot down there!!!

GOOD on ya...

lweezeeyanya? not really so hot, as compared to this deal, but ya...gonna be damn humid

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CCM...I'll be damned surprised if you really do get your cash...call the authorities regardless...then post the phone numbers...I can be just as much of a pain in the azz as Relentless

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quote:
Originally posted by retiredat49:
I can be just as much of a pain in the azz as Relentless

no argument here lol [Razz]

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Ok so a little update, I got my money. The CFO actually had to cash in his own personal IRAs to cover some of the checks.

The CEO is still in jail on multiple felony theft charges. Come to find out when I picked up the check my photocopy of my license and social and all that stuff he had...on file when I got hired.

Very fishy...apparently he runs with some bad dudes. Kind of like how urban casavant did with CMKX.

So now they advised me to go and put a fraud alert on my credit file because he may use some of the employees info to get credit lines established at places. Not him but his guys he knows who are just pieces of garbage in society.

It just never ends

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might check out this guy,
My name is Todd Davis
My social security number is 457-55-5462

I'm Todd Davis, CEO of LifeLock, and yes, thatís my real social security number*. Identity theft is one of the fastest growing crimes in America, victimizing over 10 million people a year and costing billions of dolla



he's the one that puts his SS# on the side of the truck on TV:

http://www.lifelock.com/default.aspx?promocode=4life&gclid=CNiCwIiQqpMCFR4sIgodc Sd6og

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quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
Ok so a little update, I got my money. The CFO actually had to cash in his own personal IRAs to cover some of the checks.

The CEO is still in jail on multiple felony theft charges. Come to find out when I picked up the check my photocopy of my license and social and all that stuff he had...on file when I got hired.

Very fishy...apparently he runs with some bad dudes. Kind of like how urban casavant did with CMKX.

So now they advised me to go and put a fraud alert on my credit file because he may use some of the employees info to get credit lines established at places. Not him but his guys he knows who are just pieces of garbage in society.

It just never ends

disentangle

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by glassman:
[QB] might check out this guy,
My name is Todd Davis
My social security number is 457-55-5462

I'm Todd Davis, CEO of LifeLock, and yes, thatís my real social security number*. Identity theft is one of the fastest growing crimes in America, victimizing over 10 million people a year and costing billions of dolla



he's the one that puts his SS# on the side of the truck on TV:

I wonder how many illegals use that SS . lol

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quote:
Originally posted by Machiavelli:
quote:
Originally posted by retiredat49:
I can be just as much of a pain in the azz as Relentless

no argument here lol [Razz]
That's a first...

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quote:
Originally posted by Lockman:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by glassman:
[QB] might check out this guy,
My name is Todd Davis
My social security number is 457-55-5462

I'm Todd Davis, CEO of LifeLock, and yes, thatís my real social security number*. Identity theft is one of the fastest growing crimes in America, victimizing over 10 million people a year and costing billions of dolla



he's the one that puts his SS# on the side of the truck on TV:

I wonder how many illegals use that SS . lol

LMAO

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