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http://www.shoutwire.com/viewstory/153791/Install_Linux_Ubuntu_as_A_Windows_App

Running it now.
So much faster than windows it is shocking.
If I can get blackberry desktop manager to work
I will delete windows altogether.

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cool...I've been wondering about Ubuntu.

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With Vista I was running on average 1GB of ram just for the operating system... with all features shut off.. graphics and all set to minimum. And my system with three gigs of ram installed was barely as fast as my old gateway from six or seven years ago.
With Ubuntu I am running with everything turned wide open and am at 200MB of ram.
To say it feels snappy is like saying an Indy car has decent pick-up.

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That's impressive.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYsxaMyFV2Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC5uEe5OzNQ&feature=related

Difference?
Vista does less while using two gigs of ram.
Ubuntu does A LOT more while using three hundred megabytes of ram

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYgV2GlsufI&feature=related
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dude, i am running a ton of application on my system and almost never go over 500 mb of ram.

i do several things at once all the time.

i am on XP and don't want to go to Vista tho...

we had one PC here get slow and i found out one of the brats had switched the default browser away from IE and that meant that windows could not auto-update (for oh, about a year andahalf ) but once i did some disk cleanup and a half hour of downloads on HScable? it runs like a top again...

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OK that's a cool video how's it do on supporting multiple monitors? [Big Grin]

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It does. You have to install something from the package manager, then it works.
XP is much different than vista.
If your machine ships with vista... like mine did, well you can't use xp because of some idiotic driver issue.
At this point it's over for me.
I doubt I'll ever go back to windows after experiencing the ease of operation that linux offers.
There just isn't anything I've found that isn't a thousand times easier on linux.

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Microsoft isn’t halting Windows XP Service Pack (SP) 3 distribution — so far, at least — in spite of endless-reboot problems reported by AMD-based PC customers, a company spokeswoman said on May 9.

Reports of the reboot problem are cropping up on Microsoft forums and other sites across the Web. Microsoft resumed Windows Update delivery of XP SP3 this week, after temporarily halting its distribution due to an incompatibility involving SP3 and Microsoft’s Retail Management System (RMS).

Microsoft Security Most Valuable Professional (MVP) Jesper Johansson ****ged about the SP3 reboot problem on May 8. He has been posting to his **** workarounds for both AMD systems and Intel ones that are affected by the SP 3 problem. My ZDNet ****ging colleague Adrian Kinglsey-Hughes also has suggestions of steps cusotmers can take before installing XP Sp3 to potentially avoid installation problems.

This isn’t the first time that a Microsoft service pack caused reboot problems. A Vista SP1 pre-requisite caused endless-reboot problems for some customers, resulting in Microsoft’s temporary suspension of the downloads of that update.

Microsoft is telling XP SP3 customers who encounter installation problems to contact customer support.

“Microsoft is aware of these (SP3) issues and is investigating them further,” the spokeswoman told me on Friday May 9. “We will keep customers informed of the progress.”
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Already on Service Pack 3????
Now that is funny considering it is advertised as the easiest, most stable, most secure windows ever.

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my understanding is that windows built the XP systems fairly well. i had problems with old machines that i added XP ontop of 98 to... and i can't seem to add my old hard drives to new machines like i used to. (easiest way to keep all my old data...)



the SP's have to be designed as hackers take apart the system and pick up on weaknesses. i remember the very first big exploitation of XP: somebody figured out how to toggle one of the commands to shut off your internet connection after a minute or 30 secs or something, it was in aug of '03 i think...

i fixed that one myself by checking the event viewer in administrative tools to find out why it was loggin' off the net after one minute or 30 seconds, and then toggling the proper switch back so it would not log off and then loggin' onto MSFT RIGHT AWAY so they could block the port that was being accessed by the hackers.

nobody ever admitted a connection, but that big New York Power Outage happened during that hackattack

it's non-stop war...

linux and mac machines are only worth the trouble to hack if you have specific goals, (like your banker [Big Grin] ) whereas the "chaos hackers" like the broad effect they get for the least amount of work on windows machines [Roll Eyes]

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All my ports are stealthed so it would be rather difficult to get into something that can't be seen.
Not to mention the way windows is designed, it gives the keys to the city to every program, while linux keeps pretty clear lines between programs and root commands.
Linux can be hacked, it's just it is alot harder to do.

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kewl.
http://probe.hackerwatch.org/probe/probe.asp
tells me the same thing...

except they didn't test 389,119.113 or 135... maybe XP doesn't use them?

i read soemwhere long ago that Gates had all teh open ports left open so MSFT could go back and do their own "stuff"... i beleive it...

as people took windows apart? they found the different back doors and exploited them and that's when the "patches" get made to fix 'em...

i'm gonna take off my tin foil/gold leaf top-hat now [Big Grin]

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I installed UBUNTU...very cool. How do I get those cool mods added on, like the ones in the video?

Also...I tried downloading flash player 9. Downloading steps are very different from XP.

How did you download it?

Other than getting used to the differences...Its very fast.

[Were Up] [Were Up]

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Go to System> Administration>Synaptic Package Manager
and download compiz.
Then just turn on 3d effect and cube rotation.
Turn on animations and pow, your windows will burst into flames when you close them.. a bunch of other stuff you'll find in there.
Pretty much anything you need, you will be prompted for the adons.. just click on it and bamm done for you.

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If you like billiards, one of the best billiards games I've ever seen is Foobilliard and can be found with package manager.
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To get the cube working you have to go into advanced settings once you get compiz installed and under general change the desktop size and number of desktops.
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Now running Ultimate Edition Ubuntu...
Wow..
More than ever and smoother than ever.
http://ultimateedition.info/
The guy who makes it has a nifty little section where he guides you through a lot of tweaks that make your system a whole lot faster.
Not to mention better more refined looking themes.
Compiz comes pre-installed as does just about every other program available.
Definitely worth a try.

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OK, i am looking at a laptop as a gift and i see we only have vista on PC's how long did it take you to replace Vista with Ubuntu and how much did it cost?

cuz Apple might be a better pick.

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did you go here?

http://www.ubuntu.com/

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they must be lying Tex, it can't be free nothing is free...

somewhere along the line DQR must have figured out how much it really costs [Big Grin]

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It started with some Mr. Moneybags underwriting it...don't know whether he still supports it, though

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freeeeeeee
is what it costs.
Download it and burn it as an iso and then....
Install it.
It WILL recognize your internet connection without you installing driver one.
You will ask me how to get your screen resolution to anything above 1024X768.
I will give you the terminal command and it will work.
And I will charge you for this:
Free
So let's add up your charges so far...
Carry the two..
minus.. the two...
Ummm
Free.
When you want to get the 3D desktop working you'll ask me about that.
I will respond to install compiz.
You will pull out your wallet and prepare for the dollar letting.
However...
Free.
Anything else?

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sounds like the devil is in it somewhere [Big Grin]

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I didn't really mention how easy it is to install.
The disk partitioner is about the best graphical partitioner I've ever seen.
The entire install can be done in about fifteen minutes.
Or if you really don't want to lose windows or even if you really don't want to do an actual install?
Download the installer from wubi...
It will install into windows and will run under windows as a dual boot.. even though it really isn't.
Or just run it off the iso disk you burned as a live disk.
Yeah or I could just say it's easy.
And
Free.
The devil is in windows...
Not linux.
Why is it none of us were already running linux?
Because all we've ever heard was it was too difficult for the lamen to operate.
Those of us who have tried linux in the past found it to live down to the rumors.
Well unlike windows, linux and those that make it.. LISTENED.
Now it installs easier than windows.
Runs faster... with MORE eye candy.
and...
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Free.

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and, as alluded, Mac is now Linux

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Not precisely.
Similar in some ways as mac has taken bits and pieces from a variety of sources.
But linux, unix, or any variation are not apple.
Though you can run them on mac hardware as many do.

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true...

what I know as a long-time Mac guy, is that OS X finally rendered Web pages in a timely fashion.

Reason we had Macs was cuz professional printers wanted Mac files...

When I started trading, I couldn't keep up on Macs with OS 9.xxxxx. Even Windows 2000 killed 9.0.4, which was more nimble than 9.1 - 9.2.2

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Why is it none of us were already running linux?

sheesh man, my wife worked for DEC till they folded... remember them? the number two computer co. in the world? they just couldn't get it into their heads that "normal" people would have a use for a computer... Bill gates almost single-handedly took over the PC industry overnite... there were alot of people that spit every time his name was mentioned...

so? if i run Ubuntu? i can use all of my current programs even tho they don't sya Ubuntu compatible on them? cuz i have had to "retire" a few of my old programs every time i upgraded to the newer version of windows....

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My first internet provider was Prodigy...remember those days...we are talking sloooooooow page loads.

You got my interest too RD...what about specialty software...any complications?

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i had prodigy too... the stock charts were uh primitive.... LOL

i never had AOL.... i refused to sign up with a company that wouldn't send me a monthly bill in the mail...

before that? i used to log into the university system by setting my phone in the cradle modem on my appleIIc... that was real slow... with the green screen...

i even have some dow jones newswire software for it and other stock stuff...

i still have that thing , i'm waiting for it to be worth something LOL...
i haven't plugged it in for years tho, so it may not work anymore, but it worked when i boxed it up...
i think i had a 386 next and then a 486

and a dot matrix printer....

i must've had about a dozen computers by now

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quote:
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Why is it none of us were already running linux?

sheesh man, my wife worked for DEC till they folded... remember them? the number two computer co. in the world? they just couldn't get it into their heads that "normal" people would have a use for a computer... Bill gates almost single-handedly took over the PC industry overnite... there were alot of people that spit every time his name was mentioned...

so? if i run Ubuntu? i can use all of my current programs even tho they don't sya Ubuntu compatible on them? cuz i have had to "retire" a few of my old programs every time i upgraded to the newer version of windows....

Now I didn't say you could use all your old programs.
Install wine, it is a windows emulator.
It will run most windows programs.
But if you're hoping that Ubuntu will natively run windows .exe executables.. then nope it won't.
There are fifty or sixty thousand programs in the repositories to choose from.
All free...
All work...
I don't miss a single windows program.

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that makes sense, nad i think, also defines the problem...

even tho i got on my first 'puter in the 70's (just a little) and worked regularly on one starting in '80? they've never been commonsensical to me....

what do i mean by that? well, i can watch somebody take apart a typewriter and put it back together and then do it myself (i did it, IBM selectrics) guns and computers too... i can even watch somebody blow glass the first time and sit down and do it (did it) but i swear to god that i can spend an hour just trying to find a file that I created and stored myself on my own computer that i've had for three years.... and you may have noticed that even tho i've used 'puters for 25+ years i still can't type [Big Grin]

how in hell am i gonna learn a whole new set of programs?

i beleive my kids could probably do it, but i can't. [Wall Bang]

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