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"The U.S. National Academy of Sciences on Thursday issued a spirited defense of evolution as the bedrock principle of modern biology, arguing that it, not creationism, must be taught in public school science classes."
"Creationism, based on the explanation offered in the Bible, and the related idea of "intelligent design" are not science and, as such, should not be taught in public school science classrooms, according to the report."
"A judge in Dover, Pennsylvania ruled in 2005 that the teaching of intelligent design violated the U.S. Constitution, which requires a separation of church and state, because it is based on religious conviction, not science."
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it should be taught in philosophy class, where it belongs...
creationism strictly interpreted by the bible is obviously not correct, but there are some good reasons to examine the possibilities..
and i don't mean the "too complicated" theory.. i mean the against all odds theories...
if you strictly believe in creationism as defined in the Bible? then you believe God created fleas and screwworm flies. if i showed you a picture of an advanced screw worm fly infestation you'd prolly puke... they are raised in captivity on blood pudding, i've been in abatoirrs that smelled better
these are bedbugs:
did God put them here to punish babies for their parents neglect?
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creationism is laughable and should never be taught in a SCIENCE class, public or private school, doesn't matter. The judge in PA is absolutely correct in his ruling.
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Religion is ok, yours, mine, his, or hers, whatever it is, but never never never never never in any political consideration. Any political or legal consideration of any aspect of religion or it's trappings must be disallowed and that includes those that can't or won't abide by that principle.
"Congress shall make NO law respecting....." and that includes the sates, the counties, the cities and every other legal governmental body or position that has any power to issue any form of legally binding pronouncement, opinion, recognition, or justification.
Anything respecting religion, other than respecting its existence, entirely separate and apart from anything that may be political or involve any decision of any political body is un-Constitutional.
And that is the sum and total of it all.
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I have no problem not teaching creationism in schools, but athesist views should also be band.
To exclude creationism as a possiblity should not be presented as the non-existance of GOD. The miracle of evolution has Gods fingerprints all over it. Just my belief so all you non-believers don't get yourselves all worked up.
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but that is YOUR belief if I believed a green monster with 12 legs put us all on this earth as what we are today, should it also be considered a possibility in a science class? Why just your belief?
My point is that religious beliefs do not belong in a science class, it's normalizing crazy ideas (to non-believers) and trying to pass it as fact without ANY scientific backup
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The Constitution specifically bans the legal respecting any religious affiliation or religion. Thus, even one who chooses to be so simple minded as you must be able to understand that banning any belief (religion is nothing more than belief) amounts to a law respectinmg religion a religion, be that religion yours or anyone else's.
There is no scientifif effort "To exclude creationism as a possiblity" and you need to stop that asinine and idiotic rhetoric.
You can believe whatever you choose, so long as your belief doesn't include requiring a belief or teaching, by law, that religion is fact or that some religious belief (in the present case, that BS called creationoism)is science or scientifically valid or justifiable.
Moreover, get it through your head that no one has proposed teaching that there is no god, just that teaching that there is a god or even more than one god is a matter of teaching a religious belief and is thereby un-Constitutional. Thus, your inappropriate supposition that anyone wants to teach atheism is vulgar and childish and insulting.
It is you that appears to be "all worked up."
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Obviously, evolution hasn't come too far. You're stuck with 3rd grade insults and bullying!
I think evolution is just a big hoax. I'm sure that the bdgees of the past were absolutely certain that the earth was flat also, and we know how that turned out!
Kinda like "global warming", which the wacko left has now changed to "climate change". Once global warming didn't fly, they changed it to "climate change", so that they could be right regardless of what the temperature does. Temperature goes up - CLIMATE CHANGE. Temperature goes down - CLIMATE CHANGE. You see the wacko left of the 70s who predicted the next ice age were right, they just used the wrong term. They meant to say CLIMATE CHANGE.
He keeps posting the idiocies he chooses to believe. I say chooses, because I find it difficult, at best, to imagine anyone claiming to have any education, in this day and age, could believe that trash he professes.
Or maybe he is trying to pull our legs and we are being duped by him. Surely no one is dumb enough to believe Fat Rush, the Doper tells the truth and passes on that crap el Fatty spouts as if it is reasonable. This is laughable.
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bdgee, do you disagree with me that we should have philosophy or comparative religion classes? when i was in 5th grade? we learned the three G's that drove the Spanish Conquistadors. Gold was the first.
i also think we should have basic lifesaving starting in 6th grade, with all of the basic knowledge..
have it be required every year till graduation from high school to make sure that everyone of us has the ability for their whole lifetime. the expectation being that an 8th grader be able perform CPR with the same proficiency as a licensed adult...
the only reason i ever learned it is cuz i got a scuba certification.
even the navy didn't teach it to me.
there's lots of gaping holes in our education sytem.
Dubyas no child left behind is actually making it worse, not better. cuz the teachers are having to spend so much time prepping kids to take a test that may or may not be real measure of what has been learnt.
there most certainly is a statistical likelihood that our place in the universe exists because of some intelligent intervention. until we discover life outside of our biosphere, that has to be considered a scientific theory, and cannot possibly be argued away without finding life all over the galaxy... if we can somehow manage to survive and flourish for another 10,000 years? we might just figger out if there is or isn't life all over the galaxy.
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Don't teach creationism that's fine. I don't recall ever being taught that in my public school anyway.
My problem is with the subliminal message delivered by athesist teachers that a child who believes in god is wrong. Freedom of RELIGION is a constitutional right and I don't need some commie teacher filling my kids head with a communist agenda.
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"My problem is with the subliminal message delivered by athesist teachers that a child who believes in god is wrong."
This is a crude and bigoted assumption from a religious bigot. I assume you prefer the subliminal message that (1) there is a god and (2) god is that one of that particular teacher's religion, and (3) you seem willing to force that on children that aren't yours. Why? Are you unable to recognize religious bias when it is yours?
"Freedom of RELIGION is a constitutional right and I don't need some commie teacher filling my kids head with a communist agenda."
Actually, there is exactly as basic a statement allowing "freedom of religion" as there is a statement in the Constitution that the people enjoy some "right to privacy". I certainly believe the Constitution supports "freedom of religion" and "the right to privacy", but neither phrase or anything like either of them appears in the Constitution. The Constitution guarantees that laws "respecting" religion will not be allowed, that no laws forbidding the practice of any religion will be allowed (note that atheism is just as much a belief as christianity and is similarly protected), and that no religious requirement may be placed on any government offices of positions (including, by the way, as a witness in a legal proceeding, which is a Constitutionally determined position).
I think you have little, if any, comprehension what atheism is or isn't and need to stop claiming it has properties it does not and that you choose, in bias, to claim it has.
Just how in hell do you bring communism into a consideration of religion. Communism is not a religion and I know of no religion that specifies communism or it's lack as a principle of that religion. Capitalism is also independent of religion and religion is independent of it. You are way off base.
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: "My problem is with the subliminal message delivered by athesist teachers that a child who believes in god is wrong."
This is a crude and bigoted assumption from a religious bigot. I assume you prefer the subliminal message that (1) there is a god and (2) god is that one of that particular teacher's religion, and (3) you seem willing to force that on children that aren't yours. Why? Are you unable to recognize religious bias when it is yours?
"Freedom of RELIGION is a constitutional right and I don't need some commie teacher filling my kids head with a communist agenda."
Actually, there is exactly as basic a statement allowing "freedom of religion" as there is a statement in the Constitution that the people enjoy some "right to privacy". I certainly believe the Constitution supports "freedom of religion" and "the right to privacy", but neither phrase or anything like either of them appears in the Constitution. The Constitution guarantees that laws "respecting" religion will not be allowed, that no laws forbidding the practice of any religion will be allowed (note that atheism is just as much a belief as christianity and is similarly protected), and that no religious requirement may be placed on any government offices of positions (including, by the way, as a witness in a legal proceeding, which is a Constitutionally determined position).
I think you have little, if any, comprehension what atheism is or isn't and need to stop claiming it has properties it does not and that you choose, in bias, to claim it has.
Just how in hell do you bring communism into a consideration of religion. Communism is not a religion and I know of no religion that specifies communism or it's lack as a principle of that religion. Capitalism is also independent of religion and religion is independent of it. You are way off base.
Bdgee Am I suppose to be upset by your calling me a bigot? You demonstrate socialistic and egotistical tendancies , but do I call you a egotistical socialist, no. Clean up your language and maybe you'll be respected for the brilliant mind you seem have.
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quote:Originally posted by jordanreed: no god,never was,never will be..
no santa
no easter bunny
no life after death
no soul
no spirit
only death...the end
believe it and you will live easier.
Damn, I've been banking on an afterlife of smallmouths, free beer and cuban cigars. Guess that's all shot to hell now? Ah well, I'll eventually turn into worm food, maybe someone will catch something decent with a part of me.
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smallmouth,wally,northren,muskie....dam!..now you got me dreamin. trollin lake-o-woods with a cold brew and a ceegar...playin sax at nite and partying with the help..then do it again the next day...
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