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So the controversy was that her trader put up the money for the collar?

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no it wasn't a collar that was used...
i doubt the broker put up any money. it was all mud slinging..

that was before the internet got big and most peopl that understood how to trade spent a lot of money to go to school... now? you can learn by making mistakes on your own [Big Grin]

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here's why i don't like Hillary... this was made by an independant individual who got hired by somebody else after this became a hit...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6h3G-lMZxjo

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Hey she got a tip and took advantage of it.

Most people just don't get the potential in those kinda trades.
I don't even like her and I thought that was a bogus situation.

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quote:
Originally posted by Lockman:
Hey she got a tip and took advantage of it.

Most people just don't get the potential in those kinda trades.
I don't even like her and I thought that was a bogus situation.

Yep, me too.....
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I don't even like her and I thought that was a bogus situation....Yep, me too.....

If not Hillary, then who do you like?

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Unfortunately it's another one of those vote for the one you dislike the least.

Huckabee and Rommney are going to cancel each other out. Rudy will probably be the Republican candidate.

Obama could steal the dem's but I think Hilary and Bill are just to crafty to not secure the Democratic Nod. Hilary / Obama ticket will be hard to beat.

If something big happens in the mid-east look for Rudy to coast to the presidency. I don't think America really trusts Hillary to be war time president.

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At the moment, i note that Richardson has the broadest and deepest experience that might be called "qualifying".

I like Biden a lot....a real big lot....but I suspect his bent toward making honest statements will not allow him success.

I think Paul would be a fun pick, but a wasted vote.

Edwards I evaluate as a future Biden type.

For the most part, except for Paul, the class of all republican hopefuls is a bunch of patsies or panders of the evangelical extreme and every bit as dangerous and dishonest as dubya.

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quote:
Originally posted by bdgee:
At the moment, i note that Richardson has the broadest and deepest experience that might be called "qualifying".

I like Biden a lot....a real big lot....but I suspect his bent toward making honest statements will not allow him success.

I think Paul would be a fun pick, but a wasted vote.

Edwards I evaluate as a future Biden type.

For the most part, except for Paul, the class of all republican hopefuls is a bunch of patsies or panders of the evangelical extreme and every bit as dangerous and dishonest as dubya.

On the Democrat side I also like Richardson, I wish he'd get more press. Paul makes to much sense as far a economic proposals, they'd never let him in there to disrupt the money pot.

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quote:
Originally posted by bdgee:
At the moment, i note that Richardson has the broadest and deepest experience that might be called "qualifying".

I like Biden a lot....a real big lot....but I suspect his bent toward making honest statements will not allow him success.

I think Paul would be a fun pick, but a wasted vote.

Edwards I evaluate as a future Biden type.

For the most part, except for Paul, the class of all republican hopefuls is a bunch of patsies or panders of the evangelical extreme and every bit as dangerous and dishonest as dubya.

Huck is the worst of them... he fits your description of a ultra right wing radical to a "T". imo.

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I agree, but none of the republicans, promising to force their brand of religion on us and to continue dubya's programs, is far behind him.

Careful, Paul is not a republican. I don't know exactly what he is, but he isn't one of them and they know it.

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quote:
Originally posted by bdgee:
I agree, but none of the republicans, promising to force their brand of religion on us and to continue dubya's programs, is far behind him.

Careful, Paul is not a republican. I don't know exactly what he is, but he isn't one of them and they know it.

there you go being stereotypical again budge.

Richard Nixon was a Quaker. He ended the Nam. He created the DEA specifically in response to the heroin problem coming home with the Nam vets.

People all just want to point to watergate to define him.
When he was in office? The southern Evangels were voting Democrat. Bill Clinton is a Southern Baptist. Gee, so is Huck....

while i do understand some of your issues with what's been going on? I fail to comprehend how you can say all GOP's have to be a certian "thing".

Clinton got up there in office and went after gun control and pushed all the old southern dems into the GOP...

a good ole'boy from the same town as Huckkabee wanted to take away everybody's peashooters?

don't oversimplify all this, cuz that's how Rove managed to steal a couple elections.

i think this next election is just as important as the last election was. if we as a nation fail again? it may be a long dark couple of decades.

so? instead of being stereotypical? how about addressing issues directly...

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Personally, I like Huckabee so far. He says what he means and so far appears to be a true conservative. I'd like to see him take a meat cleaver to those entitlements!

Mike

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"Clinton got up there in office and went after gun control and pushed all the old southern dems into the GOP..."

No, that was done by Reagan, using "code words and phrases" to rile up the old southern racial bigotry and making them believe they could "get even" for integration, mostly with falsifications about court rulings and claiming to "fix" things with appointment to the Federal bench with so called conservative respect for "strict interpretations of the Constitution", via which those anti-integrationist saw as a promised return old times.

I am addressing things directly, the republican candidates, are, over and over, in their debates, promising to maintain dubya's programs of pleasing the right-wing evangelical factions and strong arm tactics over diplomacy in out international interest.

The republicans must stop claiming that the Constitution expects us to have a "Christian Nation" and mixing up the wordings of the Declaration of Independence, the National Anthem, the Pledge of Allegiance, and the Constitution to justify their stated intent to ignore the 1st Amendment.

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quote:
Originally posted by Propertymanager:
Personally, I like Huckabee so far. He says what he means and so far appears to be a true conservative. I'd like to see him take a meat cleaver to those entitlements!

Mike

Yeah!

Entitlements like,

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

and

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

and

"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."

and

"In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence."

and

"Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted."

and

"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."

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quote:
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Personally, I like Huckabee so far. He says what he means and so far appears to be a true conservative. I'd like to see him take a meat cleaver to those entitlements!

Mike

good luck...

you are hearing what you wanna hear..

i heard him say he was gonna get rid of the IRS too..

he thinks the American people are fools, and he was saying so when he said that...

Bush/Rove/Cheney taught him that..

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He's a very successful Baptist revival preacher that knows how to sway the masses, provided he can get them to assemble and listen. You best be careful or you'll end up walking down the aisle to be taught to speak in tongues while an unnoticed hand picks your pocket.
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quote:
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nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself,

I always thought this part was BS because to me giving a blood/DNA sample, fingerprints etc. is being forced to be a witness against yourself .

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quote:
Originally posted by bdgee:
He's a very successful Baptist revival preacher that knows how to sway the masses, provided he can get them to assemble and listen. You best be careful or you'll end up walking down the aisle to be taught to speak in tongues while an unnoticed hand picks your pocket.

What Huck does and says is the reason why we have Separation of Church and State. I rather vote for Romney then Huck any day of the week. Though in the end I won't vote for neither of them.

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Actually, with Romney promising to make us a Christian Nation, what's the difference between the two?
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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by bdgee:
nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself,

I always thought this part was BS because to me giving a blood/DNA sample, fingerprints etc. is being forced to be a witness against yourself .
yeah blood, saliva, and bodily fluids are more intimate than words yet they aren't covered???

don't make sense to me...

then there's the new confiscation of property without due process laws...

we have a big scam going on in our state right now..
a small town has confiscated alot of cars under questionable circumstances.....

can't find any reports on the net about it yet.. it's just smalltown local news so far...

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