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Wed Dec 5, 8:00 PM ET

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SYDNEY (AFP) - Australian scientists are trying to give kangaroo-style stomachs to cattle and sheep in a bid to cut the emission of greenhouse gases blamed for global warming, researchers say.

Thanks to special bacteria in their stomachs, kangaroo flatulence contains no methane and scientists want to transfer that bacteria to cattle and sheep who emit large quantities of the harmful gas.

While the usual image of greenhouse gas pollution is a billowing smokestack pushing out carbon dioxide, livestock passing wind contribute a surprisingly high percentage of total emissions in some countries.

"Fourteen percent of emissions from all sources in Australia is from enteric methane from cattle and sheep," said Athol Klieve, a senior research scientist with the Queensland state government.

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Yep, good ol' Rush has been preaching that line for more then thirty years.

Now try comparing the gas from a cow to the exhaust of a 300 horsepower automobile (good ol' Rush refuses to talk about that). Ten minutes of a car idling matches a whole herd of cows putt-putt-putting all day and night. And recognize that we can't do a hell of a lot about beasties passin gas if we expect to keep eating. But we could make a huge difference in what a car expells, if we'd bother.

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here's the real issue there budge: methane is about twenty times stronger as a greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide.

which is why the methane hydrate deposits lying all over the ocean floor present a real problem with "tipping points" if the conveyors get messed up? the whole thing could runaway on us real fast..

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Here is the quote from the UN Report:

"Cattle-rearing generates more global warming greenhouse gases, as measured in CO2 equivalent, than transportation..."

"When emissions from land use and land use change are included, the livestock sector accounts for 9 per cent of CO2 deriving from human-related activities, but produces a much larger share of even more harmful greenhouse gases. It generates 65 per cent of human-related nitrous oxide, which has 296 times the Global Warming Potential (GWP) of CO2. Most of this comes from manure.

And it accounts for respectively 37 per cent of all human-induced methane (23 times as warming as CO2), which is largely produced by the digestive system of ruminants, and 64 per cent of ammonia, which contributes significantly to acid rain."

So, forget the cars, IT'S THE COWS! But what if we kill too many cows and the temperature drops 1 degree in the next 100 years. The wacko left will be complaining about global cooling (just like the 70s).

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Propertyfarrightwinger,

You are a great example of the puree puppet sorts that the RNC wants everyone to become. You post crap you aren't qualified to comment on and misconstrue any rational analysis of the data via purely political and over simplified regurgitation of a Rushism, all topped off with a crude insulting reference to those not dishonest enough to be considered by the far far right as one of their own.

Get it straight, there was no one qualified to be making predictions on climate trends in the 70s that was predicting what you are calling "global cooling".

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bdgee,

Let me get this straight. No one was qualified to make climate predictions in the 70s, although the scientists at the time thought they were. The group that was predicting global cooling in the 70s was the same wacko environmentalist leftist movement that is now predicting global warming. However, you are saying that these scientists are now qualified to make climate predictions, even though they can't predict this year's hurricane season, or even next week's weather? Who are you trying to kid?

Global warming is just a big joke. Worse yet, as you should know, cars have a very small impact on global warming as compared to cows! I'm not saying that, the UN said that. Look it up.

Mike

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Nope, you missed it way wide of anything reasonable. You don't even come close to getting it right and you completely misrepresent what I said....in other words, you plant lies on which you base your specous claims. (Sort of a standard technique of the right-wing, as proved by the propaganda campaign "proving" Saddam had a storehouse worth of nuclear bombs, some already loaded as warheads on ICBMs in Iraq, capable of striking New York City or the propaganda that the 9/11 attack was at least partially funded by Saddam and Iraqis were actual perpetrators of that attack.)

I did not say or infer anything that can be reported by any honest and reasonably intelligent person to the effect that, "No one was qualified to make climate predictions in the 70s" and I resent you insinuating that I did.

It is not true that, in the 70s, "the scientists at the time" were predicting what you refer to as "global cooling" since no one had ever heard of that term then and only a bunch of scientifically dishonest politically motivated puppets of the RNC use it like it is some official designation passed down as a religious dictate now. In the 1970, the generally accepted view of the scientific community was that the necessary data and data handling techniques for possible predictions of climate states in the future was beyond the existing scope of computational possibilities. (I can promise you first hand that the best computers and computer programs of the day couldn't offer reliable models to predict what the climate might be beyond what is much simpler problem of weather prediction, which even today isn't considered reliable more than a very few days ahead of time. There were not even hopefully reliable computer models to predict some particular hurricane's path!)

(Actually, predictions for future climate states only became possible with the development of really large supercomputers in the very late seventies and the very few such machines that existed by 1980 still had not been properly programmed to run climate models, so as to offer any window into possible future climate states.)

The qualified scientist of the 7os did not predict future climate states, at all, let alone designate any such state to be "global cooling" or anything that you right-wingers have any right to attach such a silly term to. The models simply did not exist nor did the data necessary to do the modeling. (Computer modeling came to be , as a scientific tool, only with the successes of models to predict hurricane paths , well beyond the 70s.)

The prediction of climate states and weather predictionS ARE NOT THE SAME STUDIES, ARE NOT INTERCHANGABLE, AND NEITHER CAN BE MORPHED TO THE OTHER!!!! Though both have come to rely on computer modeling, so have many other types of engineering and scientific studies and having computer modeling as a common technique does not make them the same beast.

I'm not kidding anybody as you want to claim, with the implication that I don't know the subject. I have the education and actual experience to speak with authority on the subject, not just a stilted political desire to spread damaging misinformation that I don't really understand and that I want to look like what my political masters want to be publicized because it fits the scam they are perpetrating on the public.

Just where did you get the vast amount of education and knowledge that qualifies you as an expert in weather prediction or the interpretation of climate models? Any college degrees in engineering? Science? Mathematics? Computer science? Publications in any such field? Ever held a job working with anyone or anywhere that did require those....or even use those? Do you even know what a "computer model" is? Any idea what regression analysis is? Entrophy? Have you ever even seen a computer bigger than a PC or an apple desktop or the equivalent?

"Global warming is just a big joke. Worse yet, as you should know, ! I'm not saying that, the UN said that. Look it up."

You put that crap out and it only proves you have absolutely no concept of what is going on. It's ignorant political b--- sh--.

No, I do not know, since it is false, that emissions from "cars have a very small impact". (By the way, NO is one of the principle components of the exhaust of internal combustion engines and industrial smokestacks. So are SO3 and SO3, which are principle to acid rain.)

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http://www.seed.slb.com/en/scictr/watch/climate_change/change.htm
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quote:
Originally posted by Propertymanager:
bdgee,

Let me get this straight. No one was qualified to make climate predictions in the 70s, although the scientists at the time thought they were. The group that was predicting global cooling in the 70s was the same wacko environmentalist leftist movement that is now predicting global warming. However, you are saying that these scientists are now qualified to make climate predictions, even though they can't predict this year's hurricane season, or even next week's weather? Who are you trying to kid?

Global warming is just a big joke. Worse yet, as you should know, cars have a very small impact on global warming as compared to cows! I'm not saying that, the UN said that. Look it up.

Mike

propman,
unlike Rush Limabugh? most scientists openly acknowledge that their research ALWAYS opens up more questions than it answers.

the very best of them usually make a list of recommended followup "procedures" for their "pupils"...

Rush on the other hand has a plastic chisel/hammer and a peice of synthetic marble countertop on his desk and he's making "the final word" up as he goes...

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Highwayman,

Nice article. Now if you only had a chart of the number of evils SUVs that people were driving around over the last 450,000 years, we would have proof positive that man and his cars caused all those warming periods. Or was it the cows?

Mike

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Probably these guys...
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Any idea how much methane would have come out of the rear ends of those things...

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quote:
Originally posted by Propertymanager:
Highwayman,

Nice article. Now if you only had a chart of the number of evils SUVs that people were driving around over the last 450,000 years, we would have proof positive that man and his cars caused all those warming periods. Or was it the cows?

Mike

proof positive.

the world consumes 83 million barrels of oil a day.

that produces the same amount of CO 2 as the amount of water that flows from the Amazon river at it's highest flood stage...

you can make all the fun you want, but it's our children that will be paying. in a perfect world, people like you will fail to reproduce, but i won't hold my breath.

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Highwaychild,

Of course, you're absolutely right! It must have been those darn dinosaurs. Thank heaven they're extinct, otherwise we might be boiling! Now, if all the humans would disappear, this would be a great planet and the wacko left would be happy. On second thought, they wouldn't be here to be happy!

Mike

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lol!

second thought


[Roll Eyes]

...presumes a first thought, eh?

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Maybe he actually meant "reaction", as in to some stimulus, like slobbering when Pavlov rings a bell.
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quote:
Originally posted by Propertymanager:
Highwaychild,

Of course, you're absolutely right! It must have been those darn dinosaurs. Thank heaven they're extinct, otherwise we might be boiling! Now, if all the humans would disappear, this would be a great planet and the wacko left would be happy. On second thought, they wouldn't be here to be happy!

Mike

I was kidding, but it really isn't very funny when you're in that kind of heat. If you don't care how hot it gets, then you must not work outside. Well, I do. And I was seeing temperatures breaking record highs every day for a week this last August. It was like, Mon. broke 1924's, Tue. broke 1958's, Wed. broke 1921's, ect....

I was feelin' for those people that couldn't afford the air conditioning,
or didn't have it blowing up their ass like you probably did.

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