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Can you imagine if Bush or Gore or clinton, or any of our leaders used the language bdgee uses?

I would be stunned.. they do it but not so transparent..

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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
hey, if you're gonna insult somebody you can at least do it with finesse....

Well, it's not finesse, but it is shampoo [Wink]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxZWtrsw-sQ

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When you aren't right and don't have any good ideas, there isn't anything left but name-calling and shouting. I see low-income tenants act like that all the time. More educated people don't act like that.

Mike

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quote:
Originally posted by thinkmoney:
I amn ot perfect but I am not bothered by your insults cause I know the source..

Insulting others makes your ego trasparent to...

I know it doesn't bother you. neither does backing up bigotry.

This is not the first time you have butted into something that didn't concern you in the first place. And just like now, you jump with your mouth going and ego flying high on the battle standard, issuing insulting BS in order to justify championing the sententious saw of some bigoted name calling hate filled jerk that fills the athmosphere with hate speach and insults, but with nothing of substance to support his biased opinions.

You run with a pack of jackels and you have to understand you are are one yourself or, at best, little more than a jackel yourself in actions. You choose to support that trash, you are voting to sanction it and, effectively saying it, no matter if you want to claim you don't.

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend". And paralleling that, the ally of my enemy who supposts his campaign, participates in the campaing and is, thus, my enemy. Not by my choice, but by his option."

Somehow, though, I suspect you will "choose" to refuse to understand that what you choose to support is what you are.

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quote:
Originally posted by Propertymanager:
When you aren't right and don't have any good ideas, there isn't anything left but name-calling and shouting. I see low-income tenants act like that all the time. More educated people don't act like that.

Mike

Yep, so you run your mouth talking about wacko liberals and wacko socialist and announcing that poor people are lazy and and on and on, barking out insults aimed at anyone that isn't rich or spending ever waking instant devoted to getting rich and when you get called on it you yell louder and blame it on someone else.

You apparently believe the gander isn't to be held accountable for his actions, just the goose.

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I am not supporting his stance but I am saying your tactics stink casue you do it to all....


Anyways, gttta go ....

I would like to see you disagree with a position and leave your insults out...

But, it may take a mircle...

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I am, what you would call , a person of low income. Of the lower class, money-wise.But I certainly am not lazy or under-educated. I work three jobs,although ,at 54, I seldom put in a 40 hour week.I work for myself,at my own pace. I work around MANY people who are also low-income and they work very hard..at grunt work. they will do any hard work to make money.I take great offense at propertymanager for his thoughts on the lower-class and I wish to encounter him some day and see if he knows what real work is.Maybe he could join me for a few hours as my grunt.Just today, I had a very low-income young man ,from the projects,tearing out used carpet and pad ,and hauling huge carpet rolls up 2 flights of stairs.Hardly lazy! I,of course, helped him when I could,even tho my body isnt what it once was.Its a shame propman. cant form an independent thought and must rely on the standard insults of the far right.

Yes, global warming is a natural occurance,as is global-cooling. But to insist that man isnt accelerating the process is just plain ignorance. A fact ,that in light of all the scientific data, is astounding.

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"I am, what you would call , a person of low income. Of the lower class, money-wise.But I certainly am not lazy or under-educated. I work three jobs,although ,at 54, I seldom put in a 40 hour week.I work for myself,at my own pace."

I think that makes my point. There are 168 hours in a week. That is more than enough time to work two full time job and still have over half the week left for sleep. Don't whine about being poor when you aren't even willing to work a 40 hour week.

"Yes, global warming is a natural occurance,as is global-cooling. But to insist that man isnt accelerating the process is just plain ignorance. A fact ,that in light of all the scientific data, is astounding."

That doesn't even make sense. Is man accelerating global warming or global cooling? If you check out the covers of Time or Newsweek from 1975, you'll see that the environmental wackos were predicting global cooling. Now, they're predicting global warming. I guess they can't make up their minds.

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Not to rudely butt in here but I've got a serious question. Assuming global warming is real, do you think I should have Tex's cheese shipped next day air or will standard 3 day shipping be ok? Damn, there really are a lot of issues we're going to face with this warming trend.
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If you're shipping it today, I'd send it next day air. If you wait a week or two, the left may change back to predicting global cooling, then you could send it via dogsled!

Mike

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quote:
Originally posted by thinkmoney:
I am not supporting his stance but I am saying your tactics stink casue you do it to all....


Anyways, gttta go ....

I would like to see you disagree with a position and leave your insults out...

But, it may take a mircle...

When nothing else works, as in the case of property manager, I will speak in kind to those that insist on speaking in the voice of hatred and simple minded bigotry. They do that rather than than providing information when they choose to begin or to enter a debate. (It isn't strange, really, that they have no rational explanation for their bigotry and hatred and name calling and can offer nothing in the way of responsible argument. Bigotry doesn't have any rational basis and all you can use to support it is bigotry hatred,insults, and name calling.) Speaking in kind to them is the only thing they seem capable of acknowledging (and even that doesn't make them understand or become less narrow minded).

I'm really sorry to have to say it again, but you seem determined to support them, no matter what, loudly and unashamedly, which means you are participating in their campaign of hatred and insults. You have done it before.

You could try minding your own business. Too, you could try suggesting to them that they not express themselves with the hatred and bias and tune out the name calling and insults, but I have learned you are too eager to play a game of hitching a ride along with the name calling and insults and bigotry and aiming insults at those that object to their actions. You, then, are clearly in sympathy with them and their tactics. You are just another one of them trying to act like you are not participating, just sensitive to their plight .... but sympathy with evil is itself evil.

I haven't seen you ever challenge the language and insults they offer. However, on several occasions, I have seen you try and justify it and claim it is acceptable. Why is that, I wonder?

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quote:
Not to rudely butt in here but I've got a serious question. Assuming global warming is real, do you think I should have Tex's cheese shipped next day air or will standard 3 day shipping be ok? Damn, there really are a lot of issues we're going to face with this warming trend.
What's the point?
We'll all be dead tomorrow anyways.
Butterflies are right now flapping away in Africa, spelling our doom as they conjure another massive storm like all those predicted this year.
If the monster storm of the eon doesn't get us it'll be the Siberian wolves that cross the land bridge moments after the earth freezes after the SUV's usher in a ice age like no other, that only Dennis Quaid can save us from.
So to answer your question... Send him nothing...
He'll have alot more to worry about than cheese.

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I will not respond to you cause you already claim to know what I think and feel. That is a big problem, dude.

You insult, and speak for others as if anyone can. And, you have no clue.

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Global warming is real but I am not a doomssayer.
Where there is a will, there is a way...

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I haven't seen anything from jordan... that even remotely sounds like he is "whine(ing) about being poor".

"That doesn't even make sense. Is man accelerating global warming or global cooling? If you check out the covers of Time or Newsweek from 1975, you'll see that the environmental wackos were predicting global cooling. Now, they're predicting global warming. I guess they can't make up their minds."

Are you really so lacking in knowledge on the subject you can believe covers of news magazine constitutes serious scientific reports or is reliable evidence of the general thinking off the scientific community?

Maybe it is you that is the "wacko"....

I have a reasonable amount of professional experience in environmental prediction and studies and I never saw any evidence that the community was "were predicting global cooling" at anytime, other than to state that eventually ther would surely be another ice age.

Allow me to clue you in to the biggest real danger of global warming. Once it gets to the point that the melting of the glaciers in the far north are sending a sufficient amount of water into the North Atlantic, since fresh water and salt water have different specific gravities, the natural fall of the cooled North Atlantic surface water to the floor of the ocean will be stopped and that mechanism will stop the world wide water conveyer, preventing the transfer of heat to the north and south and precipitating a new ice age.

BRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.....global cooling!

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Can't happen soon enough.
Last summer was brutal.

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The left is also predicting that the ocean level will raise 20 feet. I guess I should start buying property at 21 feet - THE NEW OCEAN FRONT PROPERTY!

Mike

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The report I saw was a 1 degree rise for every 100 years.I guess if that is global warming we may never see the 20 ft rise anytime soon.I watch alot of tv and it was on the science channel one morning.

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quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
Not to rudely butt in here but I've got a serious question. Assuming global warming is real, do you think I should have Tex's cheese shipped next day air or will standard 3 day shipping be ok? Damn, there really are a lot of issues we're going to face with this warming trend.

Being as it's this time of year and the airlines are short of pilots and are promising all kinds of delayed flights and stop overs, better ship it by ground.
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holy crap P.M. ..You're a trip.  -

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quote:
Originally posted by thinkmoney:
I will not respond to you cause you already claim to know what I think and feel. That is a big problem, dude.

You insult, and speak for others as if anyone can. And, you have no clue.

Let me see, now. Haven't you been declaring you know what I think and feel? And then going on and demanding that I think and feel the way you want me to? And accept and agree with the slander and insulting talk of bigots?

Yes, that's right, you have...and it ain't like the first time you have done it.

And let's see, you say it is a big problem if I do it, but clearly you seem to think you can and I'm supposed to like it. Clean up your act.

You are a clown maybe?

Talk about clueless! Oh, sorry....I forgot it's ok when you do it or if it is a slandering bigot doing it. So go on and be a jerk and keep it up....get the last word, now.....

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bdgee,

You're kind of like a 3rd grade bully, calling everyone names and trying to intimidate them with your childish nonsense. Ridiculous. Grow up!

Mike

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quote:
Originally posted by Propertymanager:


That doesn't even make sense. Is man accelerating global warming or global cooling? If you check out the covers of Time or Newsweek from 1975, you'll see that the environmental wackos were predicting global cooling. Now, they're predicting global warming. I guess they can't make up their minds.

Mike

it sounds to me like you have class envy...

you see there's a certain class of people that are well, thre's no polite way to put it, they're just smarter than average people and they tend to get Doctorate degrees and study important issues like this:

Assessing methane release from the colossal Storegga submarine landslide
http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2007/2006GL028331.shtml


CO2 is a much less powerful "greenhouse gas" but we are producing too much...

now that worldwide water conveyor budge was mentioning could affect even more release of the methane hydrates on the ocean floor...

it's kinda spooky to hear people making fun of the researchers that are responsible for all the food you eat, the computer you are typing on, your telephones, the electricity you run your house on etc... of course my own dog, NoNOBaddog knows better than to bite me when i feed him [Roll Eyes]

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here's the dumbest part of all:

If we do switch from an oil economoy to a solar/wind/geothermal economy? not only will our energy become cleaner? the Islamic Fundamnetalists that are so angry at US for "abusing" them will lose all their funding, and have no means to maintian their terror campaign..LOL..

and guess what? we'll be able to KEEP ALL OUR MONEY here, instead of running a trade deficit that is nothing short of depraved.

the only people that lose money will be the people trading in oil...

did you know that Katrina actually improved the economy of Mississippi? funny how that works huh?


"who made who"

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quote:
Originally posted by Propertymanager:
bdgee,

You're kind of like a 3rd grade bully, calling everyone names and trying to intimidate them with your childish nonsense. Ridiculous. Grow up!

Mike

It is you that came here calling everyone that isn't a rich far right wing neo-con free trade or die republican things like "wacko" and "lazy" and worse, with those insulting remarks accompanied by derogatory descriptions of what you think they think. You use less manners than an untrained pig and display an excellent caricature of an immature social misfit.

But there is help for you.

No doubt, you would feel perfectly at home among your own kind in a pro-wrestling chat room. To help get you started in the right direction:

http://iceman03.********s28.com/

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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
here's the dumbest part of all:

If we do switch from an oil economoy to a solar/wind/geothermal economy? not only will our energy become cleaner? the Islamic Fundamnetalists that are so angry at US for "abusing" them will lose all their funding, and have no means to maintian their terror campaign..LOL..

and guess what? we'll be able to KEEP ALL OUR MONEY here, instead of running a trade deficit that is nothing short of depraved.

the only people that lose money will be the people trading in oil...

did you know that Katrina actually improved the economy of Mississippi? funny how that works huh?


"who made who"

If we acted on it right away and properly funded the necessary research and development programs to develop the technology, we could become the world leader and supplier of fossil free energy technology.

Imagine the world begging for the products and technology that would come from a Silicon Valley of fossil free energy technology. It should spawn dozens of fortunes the size of those that came from Apple and Microsoft.

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"In Norway, a hydrogen highway from Oslo to Stavanger is under construction and is expected to be completed by 2009."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_highway

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Glassman,

I'm 100% with you on the renewable energy. In fact, I think we should undertake a manhattan project type effort to achieve that goal. Solar, wind, fuel cells - I'm all for it and sooner rather than later. That would be a much better use of my tax dollars than supporting people that are too lazy to work!

"it's kinda spooky to hear people making fun of the researchers that are responsible for all the food you eat, the computer you are typing on, your telephones, the electricity you run your house on etc... of course my own dog, NoNOBaddog knows better than to bite me when i feed him"

I didn't know that the global warming "researchers" were responsible for my food, my computer, my telephone, or my electricity. I thought entrepreneurs were responsible for all those things.

Mike

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"I didn't know that the global warming "researchers" were responsible for my food, my computer, my telephone, or my electricity. I thought entrepreneurs were responsible for all those things."

I know a number of what you seem to want to call "global warming "researchers" and not one of them goes by that as a title. Instead they are known as biologist, chemist, physicist, engineers, meteorologist, etc. and they all work for places like some part of the federal government, a research division of a state or local government, or a university....many hold multiple positions and they do not confine their studies to global warming and all work in other areas as well. None is an "entrepreneur" or works for such a person or firm.

Science is not the image that develops as it is taught at the lower levels and it is not what those that have never been beyond those lower levels are too often taught to or choose to believe it is. And, then, scientific research lies on a level even above what is necessary to understand what even some tiny part of science is.

Science is an art at its higher levels and scientific research is done out of a compulsion to learn and create and find truth, not a compulsion to collect the mighty dollar (and not even a
desire to gain from or disseminate its fruit). Add profit to the equation of scientific research and you soon see the successful and responsible scientist move on to some other studio where he can paint his pictures outside the boundaries imposed on the truth and knowledge he compulsively must seek.

No, "entrepreneurs" are anything but responsible for scientific research, even in some specific area of scientific research. Indeed, the irresponsibility imposed by the insistance of "profit" by entrepreneurs defies the absolute need for truth required for success in scientific research, including what might be termed "global warming "research"".

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quote:
Originally posted by bdgee:
You use less manners than an untrained pig and display an excellent caricature of an immature social misfit.

hey! quit insulting the pigs.

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I didn't know that the global warming "researchers" were responsible for my food, my computer, my telephone, or my electricity. I thought entrepreneurs were responsible for all those things.

well, the "enterpreneurs" that you say "did it" would still be trading bone beads and seashells on reindeer gut if not for the "left wing wacko researchers" that developed the new technology every step of the way...

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I'm enjoying following this conversation.

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by bdgee:
You use less manners than an untrained pig and display an excellent caricature of an immature social misfit.

hey! quit insulting the pigs.
Yes, I forget my manners and responsibilities sometimes. It ain't the pigs that are wrong, as you point out. Too, pigs are intellegent.
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quote:
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I'm enjoying following this conversation.

Yes, Big....


But I don't enjoy seeing that the Nips and the Vikings are jumping out ahead in research and development of non-fossil fuel energy, while we must banter with those that choose to be ignorant or claim ignorance on global warming and energy.

If we don't get off out argumentative politically positioned lazy butts, they will be so far ahead we will end up buying the science from them.

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i hope you read up on the Storrega slide.

it's a great example of the differences between research and development. People have been saying the two words in the same breath so long they forget the distinctions. Researchers really don't know WTF they are doing. (see my quote, search it and find the attribute). Development on the other hand is the EXACT opposite. They know what they are TRYING to do and they have to experiment to make it work. The Storrega slide was discovered by researchers exploring the sea. What they discovered is a deposit of reasonably economically feasibly harvestable CH4 covering most of the floors of the world's oceans....

the deposits are about 80 times the size of the worlds oil deposits....

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