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On the news on TV right right now they are saying some guy with a bomb is holding hostages in Clinton's Campaign headquarters in NJ (I think it is NJ, anyway, maybe NH).
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He's has a bomb strapped to him and he's asking to speak directly to Hillary. Probably the only way to get a straight answer from her.
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probably some religious koolaid drinker... you know... part of the "vast right-wing conspiracy" that made up phoney lies about her husband..
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I think I heard it reported the the Obama office had been closed a couple or so weeks before. Careful, though, I only heard any of the stuff out of the background with the TV running in the other room and me working on other things.
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psh.. Glad nobody got hurt, but this sounds REALLY REALLY fishy to me...
Hostage-taker at Clinton office gives up
quote:Shortly after releasing the last of at least five hostages unharmed, a man who police identified as Leeland Eisenberg, 47, walked out of the storefront office, put down a homemade bomb-like package and was immediately surrounded by SWAT team with guns drawn. Clad in gray slacks, white dress shirt and a red tie, he was put on the ground and handcuffed.
Clinton was in the Washington area the whole time, but the confrontation brought her campaign to a standstill just five weeks before the New Hampshire primary, one of the first tests of the presidential campaign season. She canceled all appearances, as did her husband, former President Bill Clinton, and the security around her was increased as a precaution.
"Everything stopped, and it had to because we had nothing on our minds except the safety of these young people who work for me," Clinton told reporters shortly after the standoff ended.
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quote:Eisenberg had a hostage call CNN three times and spoke to network staffers during the standoff, CNN reported after the ordeal was over and all the hostages were safe. Eisenberg said he wanted help getting psychiatric care, but had been turned away because he didn't have the money.
"I need to speak to Hillary Clinton," CNN quoted him as saying. "Something's got to change. Ordinary people need help" with their insurance.
The network described Eisenberg as "well-spoken, articulate and impassioned about his cause" but increasingly agitated. His third phone call was laced with profanities, CNN said.
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He is right that something needs to be done so that poor people can get psychiatric help.
And I haven't seen much that any of them are proposing that really offers any solution to that. You can talk about requiring insurance all you want and even government subsidies to help pay for it, but until you take the control of it out of the insurance companies hands, 99% of health insurance will still disallow psychiatric treatment. Of course, that the insurance companies can decide what to pay for is the case with non-psychiatric illnesses too.
I'm not satisfied with what the various candidates are proposing at all and I'm sick to the gills with the bull headedness of attacking everything health wise with cries against "socialized medicine". It works in country after country and the devils the distractors always claim will result have not even shown upin the distance, particularly the claims that it will hurt the economy, for the actual fact is it has helped the economy time after time.
What we NEED is to find a way to bring everyone proper health care and nothing we have allowed to be tried so far has come close. And I don't want to hear any BS about non-citizens or "illegals" or who you want to leave sick because you don't like the color of their hair or the language they speak or the fact that their daddy can't keep a job. Sick people carry bugs around and pass them to your daughter no matter why you don't want to help them. I'm not talking about just the health of individuals. If we did it that way and refused help to anyone, for any reason, Salk's and Flemming's vaccines wouldn't have eliminated polio in our country (don't fool yourself, the federal government paid for and distributed it...that horrid "socialized medicine" wiped out polio for us). We have to think about health care as a societal thing or nothing will work.
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I think a MUCH better solution is to let people have the RIGHT to choose what they want to spend their money on. If they want to buy insurance, they can do so. If they don't want to work and don't want to buy insurance, the taxpayers of this country shouldn't be obligated to pay for the deadbeats.
The constitution does NOT give people the right to socialized medicine; a government bailout when they buy their house with a gimmick loan; or even food. The American way is to get off your BUTT and work.
Illegals should not get anything but a quick trip back to Mexico.
bdgee, if you like socialism so much, why don't you move to Cuba?
No, with every post you make you offer more and more proof that the last thing you ever do is think.
Oh, and if you like dictatorial freemarket domination of government so much why do you stay in a land whose defining document , the Constitution, declares its basic existence and reason for being is to "provide for the general welfare".
But you never bothered to read the damned thing and find that admonition, did you?
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If they don't want to work and don't want to buy insurance, the taxpayers of this country shouldn't be obligated to pay for the deadbeats.
hmmm...if they don't want to work maybe they should be Putin concentration camps?
as for the gimmick loan bailout? that's getting me a little hot under the collar too.. but? i sleep alot better knowing i can make every payment i have, no credit card debt and even save money every month.. what novel idea huh? saving money and paying as i go? why, it's downright unAmerican
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The general welfare, the constitution provides...we all should have free medical care whether we work or not.. We all should have free education for all whether citizens or illegals The taxpayers should provide for all illegals health care,food and education.. The taxpayers should pay for all the deadbeats becuase someone says the constitution says..provide for the general welfare..
how absurd to have folks actually claiming that taxpayers should provide for all ...i think ill work so i can pay for all that dont...ill work for the illegals, for all the poor and for those that want to detry my way...
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ya want somethin go and work for it...ill work for me and my kids not yours...and, if ur illegal, deport..
i got to pay taxes so if illegals break the law, why should taxpayers uphold the law and pay taxes for them?
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Being so un-American as to practice personal fiscal responsibility isn't realistic for those that are forced to live in an essentially country store micro economy.
For the poor, reaching a position where, with luck and hard work, the major monthly bills can be met would be a godsend. Even then, the sad reality is that, however hard these people work, should the ugly face if a health calamity arise, they will not be able to pay the medical bills, and if they don't die of ill health, their health will be permanently damaged and they will be a magnet for germs, bacteria, viruses, and will be splendid targets for the drug companies' miracle pills that will bring health, beauty, and popularity to anyone that will only take two pills a day for the rest of your life.
Long term good health is near impossible if reasonably good health care in childhood isn't provided or available. By rejecting efforts to provide health care for children, we end up later on shouldering the huge medical expenses of those whose health care we neglected in their childhood, along with having them, because of the poor state of their overall health, carrying diseases to the population.
AGAIN FOR THE MENTALLY RESTRICTED, decent and affordable health care for any of us is not a matter of counting how much it cost to care for each individual or how much we can save by refusing to spend on whomever is your most unfavorite minority or foreigner or religion. Good health care requires a societal effort or it won't work at all. To eliminate the vast expenses of fighting off deseases, it must be done for the nation, not the individual. Achieve good health care for the entire population and we won't have so much expensive desease to fight in the future.
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bdgee with your intellectual prowess you claim, remember you can point your finger at me but you have 4 pointing back at yourself. And, with all your intellectual prowess, you seem a hurt man use you consisitenty attack. No intelllect can ever be as imprtant as awareness and emotional health. With all you claim to bbe as an intellectual, you truly are ignorant and unaware.
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Socratic Method (or Method of Elenchus or Socratic Debate) is a dialectic method of inquiry, largely applied to the examination of key moral concepts and first described by Plato in the Socratic Dialogues. For this, Socrates is customarily regarded as the father of Western ethics or moral philosophy.
It is a form of philosophical inquiry. It typically involves two speakers at any one time, with one leading the discussion and the other agreeing to certain assumptions put forward for his acceptance or rejection. The method is credited to Socrates, who began to engage in such discussion with his fellow Athenians after a visit to the Oracle of Delphi. Diogenes Laertius, however, wrote that Protagoras invented the “Socratic” method.[1][2]
The practice involves asking a series of questions surrounding a central issue, and answering questions of the others involved. Generally this involves the defense of one point of view against another and is oppositional. The best way to 'win' is to make the opponent contradict themselves in some way that proves the inquirer's own point.
Plato famously formalized the Socratic Elenctic style in prose — presenting Socrates as the curious questioner of some prominent Athenian interlocutor — in some of his early dialogues, such as Euthyphro or Ion, and the method is most commonly found within the so-called "Socratic dialogues", which generally portray Socrates engaging in the method and questioning his fellow citizens about moral and epistemological issues.
The term Socratic Questioning is used to describe a kind of questioning in which an original question is responded to as though it were an answer. This in turn forces the first questioner to reformulate a new question in light of the progress of the discourse.
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And, ultimately poverty, being poor, is a state of mind.
I can give you fish but if you dont learn to fish yourself, you will be poor.
Handouts depress a culture, nation and ultimatley a nation will not survive.
Folks have to work for themselves and aspire to higher and higher potential.
It is thru work, that human potential is achieved...
As a nation, laws must be followed if there is to be no anarchy...It is unjust for a segment of the population to break the laws and for the nation not to fight back...It is unjust for me as a taxpayer to foot the bill for those that broke the laws...
As a nation, we welcome LEGAL immigration and all who come to this country an all here have o work to have the american dream...
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Nope, I was wrong. You dwarf the hardness scales for concrete.
The Socratic Method?
Thats a teaching scheme. And in order to apply it, one first needs a minimally able student.
It isn't possible to teach a mind that has been rigidly made up and has its very personality wrapped in a cloak of the certainty of an illogical premise it has cast in stone.
Hint: You are to objecting almost violently to a thing when you aren't even close to a similar subject matter to the topic at hand.
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When the subject of discussion is lowering the death rate from traffic accidents by posting speed limits, a refusal to accept the conclusion that limiting speed with appropriate speed limits does lower traffic accidents by demanding that governmental regulation violates or infringes on individual rights amounts to an immature lack of logic and reasoning.
Public health and safety is a very big part of the general welfare and that is a responsibility of the Government.
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If they don't want to work and don't want to buy insurance, the taxpayers of this country shouldn't be obligated to pay for the deadbeats.
The reality is that some people simply NEED a basic income from the government. Sure there will always be people who take advantage of the system, but some people need it in order to survive. For example the mentally or physically handicapped, or people who are sick and can't work. Be fortunate that you're healthy both physically and mentally and that you can function well in this society, but if you weren't, wouldn't you like to at least survive and be happy that such a system is in place? I think social solidarity is only normal for those in need, because charity alone won't cut it
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: Nope, I was wrong. You dwarf the hardness scales for concrete.
The Socratic Method?
Thats a teaching scheme. And in order to apply it, one first needs a minimally able student.
It isn't possible to teach a mind that has been rigidly made up and has its very personality wrapped in a cloak of the certainty of an illogical premise it has cast in stone.
Hint: You are to objecting almost violently to a thing when you aren't even close to a similar subject matter to the topic at hand.
LOL.. the socratic method is not for teaching. it's for learning...
there's an ancient Japanese saying that i can only paraphrase.
"To seek knowledge and understanding, one does need not to go out and hunt for answers, one need only to learn how to ask questions properly."
The Japs get attributed, but some Chinese chic prolly thunk it up first....
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"The reality is that some people simply NEED a basic income from the government."
Hannibull,
I completely agree with you and I don't believe anyone is against helping the handicapped. That is not the discussion here. The discussion here is whether the government (me and the other taxpayers) should give handouts to the MILLIONS of deadbeats in this country that are too LAZY to work.
The wacko leftists in this country have turned an entire generation of lower class people into LAZY VICTIMS, who expect the rest of the population to support them. All the handouts have destroyed the will of these people to be successful and as a result they are content to sit on their butts and be a drain on society.
quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: "The reality is that some people simply NEED a basic income from the government."
Hannibull,
I completely agree with you and I don't believe anyone is against helping the handicapped. That is not the discussion here. The discussion here is whether the government (me and the other taxpayers) should give handouts to the MILLIONS of deadbeats in this country that are too LAZY to work.
The wacko leftists in this country have turned an entire generation of lower class people into LAZY VICTIMS, who expect the rest of the population to support them. All the handouts have destroyed the will of these people to be successful and as a result they are content to sit on their butts and be a drain on society.
Mike
As opposed to the unwacko Right wingers who only pass laws and such that favor the more affluent... FYI not all are lazy... some geniuely cannot find a job or more approriate : land a job. There have been times in my past where i was unemployed for more then a year and not for a lack of trying. So it's not always black and white as you see it.
And btw I don't know about your state but here in NY we have what is called a "guaranteed issue" law when it comes to health insurance. What that means is that insurance companies are not allowed to deny anyone insurance who applies for it and they must charge everyone the same price which means insurance in this state as well as other states with similar laws (like Maine) is artificially high. I work and the insurance through my company is $340 per month for a single person with no kids. And I investigated what it would cost to buy it on my own and the cost is between $320 to $450. So there is no option in this state so you could imagine what options poor people have for insurance. Again nothing is black and white. To you everything has a simple solution (deport illegals which btw are not all from Mexico or Latin america but nice of you to point out such a bigoted statement, work and get insurance which i already told you what it can cost in some states, etc. etc. ). So again your living in a dream world if you think it's easy solutions. Social medicine does work in other countries whether you like to admit or not without it having to hit your wallet as much as you think it will. Sad to see humans only care about themselves and not their fellow human. Hate to imagine what your life would be like if you were in their shoes.
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quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: I completely agree with you and I don't believe anyone is against helping the handicapped. That is not the discussion here. The discussion here is whether the government (me and the other taxpayers) should give handouts to the MILLIONS of deadbeats in this country that are too LAZY to work.
ahem, this is an open forum people are encouraged to "discuss" whatever with only a few limitations... basically? don't post stuff you wouldn't want your children to read, and don't tell people what they can "discuss"...
sometimes? people are handicapped and you can't even tell...
there is condition known as fibromyalgia, the very existence of the disease is/has been hotly debated amongst the medical community for years, however? the FDA just approved a drug called Lyrica to treat this disease (of malingerers)...
in spite of the fact that many doctors still claim that the sufferers of the condition hypchondriacs...
remember when Reagan pardoned all the "prisoners" being held in asylums?
another point. it is in everyones best interest that a minmal amount of health care be provided to everybody.... TB and a half dozen other diseases can become plagues very quickly if we allow them to...
ultimately? health care is going to be socialised simply because nobody will be able to pay the insurance if the rate of inflation in health care doesn't slow down dramatically.
we are at about 20% of GDP right now for health care... the highest in the world.. and in spite of the patriotic flag wavers that believe whatever they are told? we have one of the least efficient and lowest performing health care program in the industrialised world...
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Propertymanager seem to think all investors are similarly afflicted as he is, with narrow mindedness.
But of course he would/ After all, considering investors to have the freedom of thought to think on their own would not be narrow minded.
You see, there is an explanation for just about everything, even Propertymanager's cockamamie idea that he knows all about investors and knows what socialism is.
Ever hear Warren Buffet talk on welfare and governmental responsibilities? According to his pronouncements above, the Propertymanager's ruling is that Warren Buffett is not an investor. Either that or Propertymanager's pronouncements on the subject are specious.
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