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Oh yeah... Ron Paul is the man finally someone real!!!
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I don't remember this much excitement over Perot. I can't drive a minute without seeing some banner claiming revolution. I-10 is covered east and west bound in my area.
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"I don't remember this much excitement over Perot"
Then you don't remember very well. For several years there was a sizable faction of the population that insisted Perot was born to become the savior of the world.
It is quite normal for some out of the ordinary politician to arise from time to time and hold Elmer Gantry like fascination to many in the public. Almost always they are out to "reclaim the real American and take it back from the crooked Washington insiders" and almost always they are going to do away with the IRS and replace it with some pie in the sky notion guaranteed to make every one of us fabulously wealthy due to the tremendous power their brand of tax collection will impart to the economy (most of their schemes are some variety of a flat tax, which provides, for the simple minded, a simple minded solution that is a cure for everything). Then they throw in appeals for flag waving and singing the anthem at even church services and promise to pass laws to require the English language throughout the land and membership in the Baptist Church by law.
George Wallace was one, Harold Stasson another. Presidential candidacy becomes a habit. Their lifetime of influence may last a year or two to a dozen years. Stasson tried to maintain it way too long and became a punch line for comedians, but early on he had quite a following. Paul has not yet come close to approximating Perot's numbers of followers or their zeal and Wallace almost was a religion to his masses.
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LOL bdgee. admit it, you are in love with hillary..
saviour of the world my azz. Perot had a strong following until he started talking about the Bush's clan hit men threatening his family.. and he is the reason Billary got elected the first time. he could have won if he hadn't quit in the middle o' July and then got back in... and had he won? we might not be in the mess we are in now.
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of course they have some serious dirty tricks teams bdge. but at that time everybody in the media made fun of perot for saying it.
just like they didn't bother to find out that all the Iraq intel was from two people... which i was able found out on my own by surfing the net...
the internet is changing things fast bdge. sure there's alot o'BS around, but at least we can find out as many opinions as we wish to spend the time it takes to look them up and read them.
as for Wallace? he was Democrat, and one of the reasons i am still a republican... i was not far away when he was shot.
to compare him to either Ron Paul or perot is getting real close to slanderous. David Duke yeah...
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I don't compare Wallace to Paul or Perot, except they all are or were "movement" candidates with a very vocal and near significant following.
No, actually Wallace was not a democrat. In Alabama the party affiliation of a candidate is adorned on the ballot with the his chosen party's symbol or logo. The donkey is always there, representing the democratic party, but Wallace ran affiliated with an anti-integration party that used a chicken as a logo. Almost every one of his party co-hearts back then when he ran for president, immediately after he failed to get the nomination, switched to the republican party where they still reside.
I never understood Alabama's politics. Wallace would campaign using all the racial slurs and slanders he could, then would receive not just a slight, but an overwhelming, majority of the black people's votes. I remember asking a black friend that was quite influential in Alabama politics about it and he replied. "You jest don't understand. George is looking out for us all the time. He just carries on like that to get white folks to vote for him. But he's really ours."
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LOL bdgee.. he won the democrat primary in Md after he was shot there, he also won several other states as i recall.. but MD was having severe "internal strife" over bussing at the time and he played upon it..
and he delivered a speech at the DNC that year.. i watched... he got beat by McGovern..LOL...whataloser
i don't care what 'bama's technicals are, he was a Democrat, like Zell Miller another loser....
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that's the funny thing about politics bdgee.
Dubya hired Rove specifically to go after the "old southern democrats" and Rove delivered...
it's sad in away...
the game of politics is like standing in a tidal swamp... the current is always shifting and the mud is always near to hand...
here's a song that kinda say it all..:
I believe that reality's gone Disillusion's real I believe that morality's gone And there's nothing to feel If you take the sacred things The things that we hold dear Empty promise is all you'll find So give me something
Something to believe in [x4]
I believe in a changing of the guard Put our feet on the ground See it happen in your own background Everything breaks down Do you accept what you are told Without even thinking Throw it all and make your own And give me something
Something to believe in [x4]
Where they lead You will follow Well I guess that's just the way it goes And if you look away You'll be doing what they say
And if you look alive You'll be singled out and tried If you take home anything Let it be your will to think The more cynical you become The better off you'll be
Something to believe in [x8]
Artist: THE OFFSPRING Song: Something To Believe In Album: Smash - ID: 7898 - Date and time (posted): 2004-05-18 04:25:35
this album is their only really good one..
i saw them twice. once in VA Beach with 200 other people when they released this album which cost about 5 grand to produce... and then once in Irvine with 15000 other people at their "homecoming" (they're from Irvine) after they released the Americana album which was under a Sony contract for millions..
they are sorta punk heavy metal with a lot of youthful rage.. good stuff IMO...
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i didnt pay much attention back then but did perot have a track record going back 20 years consistant with what he said during the campaign?
i'm currently reading a book by Paul, its basically a collection of speeches he gave while in congress and he was saying the same thing in the early 80's that he is now. things like intervention in the middle east will come back to haunt us. and he talks about how we fund both sides of war, and usually end up fighting against people we supplied with weapons previously.
The type of imperialism that the US practices, while (slightly) different than say the Roman empire or the British empire, seem to have the same consequences, constant "enforcing" in foreign lands, not enough protection at home, inflation, civil unrest, etc...i think the foreign policy Ron Paul advocates is a very sound one if we wish to prevent further planes flying into our buildings, and Trillions of our dollars propping up foreign governments in which the favor is not returned.
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what i find interesting is in every poll which normal folks can call, text, or click online paul wins. but when some polling company calls 1000 people he gets 2%-6%
then you have this Gallup poll.. who is right?!!! does this really show the opinion of the people? Guiliani seems to show up on top alot, but so far, he has won only 1 straw poll. are the national polls showing who people are talking about or who "they" want?
this is a little bit dated but it shows who won the particular states straw poll... its almost the opposite of what the "national polls" are showing. i've seen absolutely NOBODY (online or locally) who support Rudy, havent seen one sign,bumpersticker, commerical.. nothing. if 30+% of the population want him they sure arn't letting us know. (except in the scientific polls)
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i bet its more the owners, and editors. several fox reporters have come forward saying that they have been threatened with their jobs for saying the wrong thing, or trying to do stories on controversial things, or taking the wrong angle.
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"i don't care what 'bama's technicals are, he was a Democrat, like Zell Miller another loser...."
Nope, you are a republican party loyalist, of course, ignoring the facts that anyone can claim to be a democrat, just as George Wallace did, even after leading his Alabama delegation to storm out of one democratic convention after another (technically, they didn't have seats in the democratic convention, because they were not a recognized part of the democratic party) and supporting nothing but republicans through one after another national election, and that Wallace did not win the democratic nomination. In truth and in action, he was a republican and except when he attempted to infuse his racial bigotry to control the democratic party, he always vociferously supported the republican ticket.
I don't care what your republican bias wants to claim, he looks like, walks like, and quacks like what he was, George Wallace was a Party loyal right-wing republican.
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"i bet its more the owners, and editors. several fox reporters have come forward saying that they have been threatened with their jobs for saying the wrong thing, or trying to do stories on controversial things, or taking the wrong angle."
Yep....and one of them once was named Olberman, who is getting somewhat even now. You don't enter such a campaign as he is waging without having been more than goaded into it.
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That's not surprising, because both those guys entirely base their political energies in racial bigotry.
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: "i don't care what 'bama's technicals are, he was a Democrat, like Zell Miller another loser...."
Nope, you are a republican party loyalist, of course, ignoring the facts that anyone can claim to be a democrat, just as George Wallace did, even after leading his Alabama delegation to storm out of one democratic convention after another (technically, they didn't have seats in the democratic convention, because they were not a recognized part of the democratic party) and supporting nothing but republicans through one after another national election, and that Wallace did not win the democratic nomination. In truth and in action, he was a republican and except when he attempted to infuse his racial bigotry to control the democratic party, he always vociferously supported the republican ticket.
I don't care what your republican bias wants to claim, he looks like, walks like, and quacks like what he was, George Wallace was a Party loyal right-wing republican.
pretty bird.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: it's the media....
they do their best to pick your votes for you..
you mean editorial boards of selected papers? stations, whatever?
or you think reporters are inherently biased?
or something else?
as TurboK said? policy is set by the owners. however, the ADVERTISERS have quite a bit of influence over the owners too..
does anybody know who changed the FDA policy to advertise PRESCRIPTION drugs on TV esp. during the nightly news?
the drug co's point to development and research costs for new drugs to justify astronomical prices and profits, but they spend ten dollars on ads for every one in R&D... and why does a TV ad get justified for a prescription that is SUPPOSED to be the discretion of the doctor and the doctor alone?
and remember! the costs of prescription drugs are a huge part of all of health insurance (if we have it) payments.. it IS NOT a discretionary spending item...
whoever did this is a theif...
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yeah...if the publisher is getting hammered on the golf course, a young reporter (especially) needs a champion between him/her and the glass offices...
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In truth and in action, he was a republican and except when he attempted to infuse his racial bigotry to control the democratic party, he always vociferously supported the republican ticket.
Wallace supported Eisenhower and Nixon? bdgee.. you guys in Texas are not the center of the political universe even tho the Bush machine has tried to convince you that are.
remember who took control of the Arkansas National Guard in Little Rock?...
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Yes, Wallace backed Nixon and Eisenhower and every republican since, as did his party.
I know quite well who sent the federal government to Arkansas. Do you know who sent them to Alabama and Mississippi and Georgia? It wasn't a republican.
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you must be living in alternate reality from the rest of us budge.
Wallace was Democrat from the very beginning....
George Corley Wallace Sr. (August 25, 1919 – September 13, 1998), was a United States politician who was elected Governor of Alabama as a Democrat four times (1962, 1970, 1974 and 1982) and ran for U.S. President four times, running as a Democrat in 1964, 1972, and 1976, and as the American Independent Party candidate in 1968. He is best known for his pro-segregation attitudes during the American desegregation period, which he modified after the passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act by arguing that it was better that he be governor while the schools were being desegregated than for someone else to be in authority.
, at age 19, Wallace contributed to his grandfather's successful campaign for probate judge. Late in 1945, he was appointed Assistant Attorney General of Alabama, and during May 1946, he won his first election as a member to the Alabama House of Representatives. At the time, he was considered a moderate on racial issues. As a delegate to the 1948 Democratic National Convention, he did not join the Southern walkout at the convention, despite his opposition to President Harry Truman's proposed civil rights program, which he considered an infringement on states' rights. The dissenting Democrats, known as Dixiecrats, supported then-Governor Strom Thurmond of South Carolina for the presidency. In his 1963 inauguration as governor, Wallace excused this action on political grounds.
In 1953, he was elected judge in the Third Judicial Circuit Court. Here he became known as "the little fightin' judge," a reference to his boxing day
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No, Wallace was not a democrat, he was an early member of the so called Dixiecrats along with Allan Shivers and Strom Thurman. You can dig up all the links you want claiming he was a democrat, but Wallace always voted for and supported republicans in the national elections. Were he alive today, he would be claiming to be a republican just like the rest of those that followed his lead back then, voting for the republicans in national elections, refusing to vote on the democratic ticket under the donkey in primaries, and voting for the party under the rooster (the national party always refused to seat them in the national conventions because they did so).
If it looks like a duck, waddles like a duck and quacks for the republican presidential candidate because that party votes against integration, then it isn't a democrat. Wallace quacked like and was an acting republican which is a party still to this day that represents the segregationist faction of the south and to whom it owes its present day strength and alliance.
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