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Machiavelli
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The title says it all... but have to warn you this is a very graphic video... this is one thing messed up about the world among many:

http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/video.asp?video=fur_farm&Player=wm&speed=med

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what would be the humane way to kill those animals?

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Ever been in a slaughter house and watched them use a sledge hammer on the noggin to do in cattle or tie a pig and hang it from its hind legs then slit it's throat? Neither dies real peaceful and more than just a few die real slow and clearly terrified and in pain.

Then there is killing chickens and turkeys by the hundreds and thousands.

(But we seem able to ignore the slow death by starving and suffocation we bring to bugs and rats and mice with insecticides and poisons. But those ain't cudly little things, are they?)

It never looks "humane". Probably shouldn't expect "humane" in a mass execution.

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exactly

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Yep,

It ain't pretty. But killing never is.

My wife doesn't really like it but part of the business plan that is going to give her the horse farm that she has dreamed of will be built on the bones of chickens.

Just need that downpayment and we should be set in the next couple years.

I do agree though that if they wanted to, there are more humane ways to kill the animals that would not harm the fur. Problem is...what's their incentive? They generally have neither the education nor the 'pet-owner' empathy to give it much thought.

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WOW That's a sick video. I guess the law's of switzerland allow that type of treatment.( I only say switzerland because it's from the swiss peta).

It's odd that it's done at a street market, you'd think that would be done behind closed doors. At least the people buying the fur know it came from an animal in extreme pain and suffering.

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"At least the people buying the fur know it came from an animal in extreme pain and suffering."

Yeah, now think about that whenever you buckle up your leather belt.

(Ya just hafta wonder how many of out people have ever actually been any length of time on a farm, when they can imagine the distribution of food they eat doesn't include death.)

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looking at the dress of the people, and judging by the condition of the fur, my guess is that video was shot in northeast China or Mongolia, or possibly Siberia.

Some Native Americans believed that evil people got reborn as wolverines. Maybe there's something to their belief system?

other Native Americans did practice religious ceremonies (skin dancing) involving the flaying of living people.

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I was at a hog farm once doing some work and there was a boar that was lame and the other pigs were chewing off his ears and tail and such. The rendering truck pulled in, used a winch, cable, and chain to pull the animal out of the barn. After it was out, the driver got his regulation issued sledge hammer and beat the animal on the head 5 or 6 times before hoisting it into the back of the truck.
That was close to the sickest sound I have ever heard. I asked the farmer why he didn't just shoot the pig to kill it, his response.... "and waste a bullet."

What a world....

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quote:
Originally posted by jordanreed:
what would be the humane way to kill those animals?

With a bow and arrow...through the lungs of course.

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that's the first time i ever saw a kangaroo with horns buks talker.

i have to say that i don't care for the lack of respect shown for the animals in the video..
the people working there lack dignity and honor. dignity and honor are never cheap in any case...

i quick kill is always preferable.


the first animals are civets..
one reason i don't like PETAheads is is that they seem to be saying that this about fur, it's not just about fur...

while civet fur is useful, the whole animal is eaten and their musk is used for fixatives in perfumes...

civets solda s food were determined to be the source of SARS in China....


i know a grad student researcher who was not allowed to raise mosquitoes to study better ways to KILL them because the principle investigator was a PETAhead who felt that it would be cruel to allow the mosquitoes a blood meal off a mouse or chicken, they NEED the blood meal to produce eggs...

PETAheads often say that we can use computer models to "test" new products for safety, and that using animals in not needed.. i suggest that they offer their children to be the first humans to try "computer tested" new products

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That's not a kangaroo Glass...it's a jackrabbit...

Just cuz I kill em doesn't mean I don't have a deep respect for em...If I can't make a clean kill shot...I don't take it...period

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i didn't mean to suggest you don't.

i've raised and butchered many animals myself, and i hunt.

the "new thing" down here is hunting wild hogs with dogs to "tree 'em" and long knives...

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well I'm against the fur trade in general before i saw this video... but all im saying is if you are going to do this for fur then why not just kill it quickly... with a cattle prod or whatever.. those animals were clearly tortured for the pleasure of it... the fur being sold was a afterthought... i have seen cattle killed "humanly" if that is possible with a jolt of electricity to the head.. the same can be done with these... skinning them alive accomplishes nothing other then sick pleasure...

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I saw Tred Barta try that wild hog hunting with a knife...looked kinda scary to me. I mostly hunt whitetails with a bow...VERY challenging...it's not easy to get within 30 yards of a mature buck, let alone get a shot off.

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i've spent many hours waiting to get a shot with bow... never have...

if i take bow? they are in shotgun range, if i take a shotgun? they are in rifle range,,,
i just use a rifle now...

i have a Ben Pearson model 250, real pretty, nice shooter but too "bulky" ro be comfortable in the field, and i have a pearson probe which is better for the feild...

i've never gotten to take a shot at a deer with either of em... shot a alot-o'fish tho [Big Grin] and a few alligator snappers

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I shoot a Mathews Outback...very fast and quiet. I shot that buck above about 2 weeks ago at 30 yards...double lunged him, and he still ran 100 yards. I also shot a doe and a turkey with it during the bow season. I use a muzzleloader (Austin Halleck) during shotgun season...I can shoot 200 yards accurately with it...whereas my shotgun (NEF single shot) is only good out to about 125, but it is a tackdriver. Never fished with a bow before, but it sure sounds like fun.

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" kill it quickly... with a cattle prod or whatever"

May I suggest you go somewhere and learn a bit about what a cattle prod is and what it is used for. I'll give you this much: They are NOT capable of killing cattle, but "prodding" them.

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I did say "or whatever" since im not as knowledgeable about killing a living thing like you are... so it meant whatever method they use of electricity that I saw used on cattle...

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i like to shoot with a partner, and let them reel it in on a real fishing rod instead of the spool on the front...
the arrows are heavy solid fiberglass and have different release... and you have to practice in the water cuz water changes the angle of the light, but it doesn't take long to figger it out with practice.. the hardest part is deciding how deep the fish is...

night time with aspotlight is the best... in some states it's illegal now...

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quote:
Originally posted by bdgee:
" kill it quickly... with a cattle prod or whatever"

May I suggest you go somewhere and learn a bit about what a cattle prod is and what it is used for. I'll give you this much: They are NOT capable of killing cattle, but "prodding" them.

budg. the highest prices paid for giant bluefin tuna go to the fisherman who catch them this way:

they harpoon the fish with a light harpoon and instead of rope the harpoon is attached by wire to a coil that shocks them (like a cattle prod)

the reason behind this method is that when you fight a fish on hook and line that weighs 1000 pounds? the fight tends to be too long even using "industrial tackle" when the fish fights that long? a lot of lactic acid builds up in the blood and muscles, which makes it less desirable to the connoisseurs... the difference when i was selling tuna was 30-40$ per lb versus 70$ to 90$ per pound.. they also consider the fat content

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quote:
Originally posted by Machiavelli:
I did say "or whatever" since im not as knowledgeable about killing a living thing like you are... so it meant whatever method they use of electricity that I saw used on cattle...

Part of the name of the thing should alert you as to it's use. It is a device to "prod" cattle along, not to kill them. (In a later generation and development we call the more up to date off spring of cattle prods "tazers". They claim they won't kill either.)
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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
quote:
Originally posted by bdgee:
" kill it quickly... with a cattle prod or whatever"

May I suggest you go somewhere and learn a bit about what a cattle prod is and what it is used for. I'll give you this much: They are NOT capable of killing cattle, but "prodding" them.

budg. the highest prices paid for giant bluefin tuna go to the fisherman who catch them this way:

they harpoon the fish with a light harpoon and instead of rope the harpoon is attached by wire to a coil that shocks them (like a cattle prod)

the reason behind this method is that when you fight a fish on hook and line that weighs 1000 pounds? the fight tends to be too long even using "industrial tackle" when the fish fights that long? a lot of lactic acid builds up in the blood and muscles, which makes it less desirable to the connoisseurs... the difference when i was selling tuna was 30-40$ per lb versus 70$ to 90$ per pound.. they also consider the fat content

I've read articles where the Japanese had paid $1,000 per pound of certain high quality tuna's... was a whole series of articles on the tuna industry in a newspaper here in NY years ago.. i still have the article somewhere in my room because the seafood industry has always interest me...

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by Machiavelli:
I did say "or whatever" since im not as knowledgeable about killing a living thing like you are... so it meant whatever method they use of electricity that I saw used on cattle...

Part of the name of the thing should alert you as to it's use. It is a device to "prod" cattle along, not to kill them. (In a later generation and development we call the more up to date off spring of cattle prods "tazers". They claim they won't kill either.)
Tell that to some humans who have been tazered and died from the result of it... I would assume they had weak hearts or something.. don't remember...

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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
quote:
Originally posted by bdgee:
" kill it quickly... with a cattle prod or whatever"

May I suggest you go somewhere and learn a bit about what a cattle prod is and what it is used for. I'll give you this much: They are NOT capable of killing cattle, but "prodding" them.

budg. the highest prices paid for giant bluefin tuna go to the fisherman who catch them this way:

they harpoon the fish with a light harpoon and instead of rope the harpoon is attached by wire to a coil that shocks them (like a cattle prod)

the reason behind this method is that when you fight a fish on hook and line that weighs 1000 pounds? the fight tends to be too long even using "industrial tackle" when the fish fights that long? a lot of lactic acid builds up in the blood and muscles, which makes it less desirable to the connoisseurs... the difference when i was selling tuna was 30-40$ per lb versus 70$ to 90$ per pound.. they also consider the fat content

The same thing is true about deer. The stuff hardly taste fit to eat after you have run the poor beast a mile through the woods with dogs and a pack of human "drovers" whistling and yelling and banging tin cans with a stick to get them in shotgun range of a stand.
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one shot is the best... we always used 30-06, 180-grain...

My Dad taught my maternal uncles how to hunt deer. The one still living went on to surpass my Dad, amassing an incredible body of knowledge. This season, he had health problems such that my brother-in-law had to take him back to town to the hospital--first time he's missed opening day in 60 years...

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quote:
Originally posted by Machiavelli:
quote:
Originally posted by bdgee:
quote:
Originally posted by Machiavelli:
I did say "or whatever" since im not as knowledgeable about killing a living thing like you are... so it meant whatever method they use of electricity that I saw used on cattle...

Part of the name of the thing should alert you as to it's use. It is a device to "prod" cattle along, not to kill them. (In a later generation and development we call the more up to date off spring of cattle prods "tazers". They claim they won't kill either.)
Tell that to some humans who have been tazered and died from the result of it... I would assume they had weak hearts or something.. don't remember...
I have read somewhere that around 150 people have died from being tasered since 2002...all by regular cop tasers!!!!!!!!!
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quote:
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Originally posted by Glassman:

"i like to shoot with a partner"
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I think our Vice President likes to do the same thing. Hopefully you are a better shot than him, or as good as him if you do not like your partner.

These threads that go into these long lines can sure make my eyes and mind weary.

Again have a good Thanksgiving everyone.

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i could never harm an animal like that. the only way i could bring myself to kill an animal is the same as killing a human, self defense. and for reasons like this video i would find it easier to kill a human, humans suck!

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Turbo...do you eat meat?
If you do...then you have killed an animal.

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You don't have to be non-vegetarian to be involved in killing animals. Just exactly what sort of non-animal beasties do you think are poisoned by all that crap they spray on cotton fields.

What are your drawers made of?

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I couldn't watch that whole video. I closed it after about 20 seconds. Sometimes ignorance IS bliss. What makes humans think we are so much better or greater than nature and OTHER animals. We (humans) act like we transcended from so hierarchy. EVERYTHING on earth, f***ing comes from earth! Killing an animal is no different than killing a human. There are a lot of different reasons why I am vegetarian. The killing of animals is one. To kill another animal to survive is one thing. But to kill another animal because you like it's fur or the way it tastes is absurd, JMHO.

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We are all allowed our humble opinions, so long as they do not interfere with the humble opinions of others.
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quote:
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We are all allowed our humble opinions, so long as they do not interfere with the humble opinions of others.

What? That makes no sense.

Oh sorry, I wasn't aware that I wasn't allowed to give my opinion if it went against others opinions. My mistake where are my manners...?

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Scroll to the right, lpcguy. the room isn't croping and going to a new line today.


Above it said, " We are all allowed our humble opinions,

so long as they do not interfere with the humble

opinions of others.

I'm not able to answer for your manners.....sorry, might do it if I could and if knew why it was needed.

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