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quote:

as long as people keep electing people that put themselves first? this pattern will continue..

I don't know any politician that doesn't put himself/herself first before the "people" regardless of what party and what words they use...

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America was based on the principle of Government FOR the people and BY the people..
That is just a saying in my book.. I never seen any evidence of it throughout American history from the time George Washington became president to the present time... there is always self interest in politics no matter what...

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today? we have a govt for the corporations and by the corporations. and hillary represents that pattern as much as any neo-con.

Your dreaming in a fantasy world if you think the GOP don't do the same thing. In fact I would say they do it much much more then the Left... Hillary whether you like to admit it or not still fights for the little guy unlike the GOP who fights for the rich guys or big Corps... does Hillary do things for Corps? yes of course she does.. but it's a means to a end what she does... and it is meant to help the unfortunate... the GOP only wants to help the fortunate...

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quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
uranium sucks, munchie.

looks good on paper, till you factor in all the costs

what about the "accidents" that can happen with it...

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quote:
Originally posted by *Mag*:
Glass I read the links and what you posted; seriously, I have a science backround which means nothing, but I want to say that I have had some of my best laughs with science (Physics)professors. Dont want to upset any vets here... If you are afraid of radiation sickness perhaps you can get a couple of these (see link below) to ease your mind if you decide to proceed with your testing and always keep some potassium iodide handy to protect your thyroid just in case...

http://cgi.ebay.com/Radiation-Detection-Badge-Dosimeter-NEW-ISSUE_W0QQitemZ33018 0108875QQihZ014QQcategoryZ73365QQcmdZViewItem

FWIW I pulled this... Flux is commonly used in electronics and electromagnetic theory and application, but rarely in the context of a capacitor. In general terms, flux simply means the rate at which some quantity (such as electric charge or magnetic field) changes through a conductor (e.g. charge flux).
While they are not generally called flux capacitors, the common inductor is an electrical component whose function in many contexts could be thought of as a flux capacitor - it consists of a coil of wire that converts and stores electrical energy as a magnetic field where it can be retrieved when the magnetic lines of flux collapse.

OK, sorry, i thought you were talking about the time machine thingy that whatzizname strapped to the deLorean in back to the future.. [Big Grin]

as for radiation sickness? i guess i'm just paranoid [Eek!]

when i enlisted? they tried to get me to go into nuke propulsion, i refused, and in doing so, i turned down a great education courtesy of the USN... so they put me in charge of warheads (and of course they didn't tell me that's what the job entailed until i was already committed, and the education in that program was not nearly as comprehensive )... [Roll Eyes]

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One of the great lies of the last three to four decades is the claim that democrat and liberal are synonyms and so are republican and conservative. There are quite conservative democrats (leave out Lieberman...he is a republican in sheep's clothing and always has been....Ron Paul also suspiciously announces his party) and some republicans that stand way to the south side of Wes Boyd, in spite of the idiocy spewed by fanatical extremist radio talk gurus.

Having so little education or imagination that you cannot conceive of a modern world not absolutely dependent on fossil fuel makes you ignorant, not conservative, and, having a wide and deep breadth of intellect, so that you may engage in consideration of topics that can confuse the uninformed does not force you to claim or act as liberal. Neither enlightenment nor ignorance is an absolute political constraint and it is clearly evident that each has less influence on an individual's "choice' of political affiliation than do the political biases and teachings of a parent.

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Hey glass we are all in a state of flux and my thoughts tend to overlap at times; I sure did mention the flux capacitor to get a chuckle (usually tomatoes get thrown at me with my 1 liners, can't help it, I am a sucker for those movies, #3 was weak though) because it does bear a loose resemblance visually to the back to the future object but loosely it deals with electrical energy (I have always been fascinated by magnetic fields I was thinking as I was reading what you wrote that many science fiction concepts have actually manifested into reality(exaple flip top communicators in the 60's star trek - today flip top cell phones). Man is an amazing creature; we are able to invent/improve/adapt such modern marvels; finding an efficient alternative energy imo is not a difficult task for man. Getting man to actively drop the *old* ways of doing things and venture in a new direction is a force that is holding us back and we know that the greatest force pushing for slowed progress is oil is profitable for a select elite. It will take that monitary fascilitation to move us into a new direction... ohhh method man you were so wise... cash moves everything around me; get the money dolla dolla bill yall...

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you are so right.
i've read one heck ofalot of pulp sci-fi and good sci-fi...
20,000 leagues under the sea?

as for not seeing what's right in front of us sometimes?
the Mayans were much more mathematically advanced than Eurasians of the same time period...
they even knew there was an extra few hours each year. the Euros were generations behind on that...

they had childrens toys with wheels on them, BUT no carts or wheeled tools? go figure?...

i could be wrong, but i beleive they didn't even have potters wheels, yet they made alot of pottery... [Confused]

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I still believe that anyone who is trying to make their fortune in Oil right now is taking blood money and only setting the stage for further conflicts down the line.

I will not knowingly partake in the oil market until all this settles down.

Biofuels and alternative energies yes, but for me the oil market is off limits and has been for over a year now.

Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should.

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WOW Amazing just looked that up; I didn't know that the Mayan childrens toys had wheels on them; so easy even a cave man could do it... as for not seeing what's right in front of us sometimes? seeing Remindes me of the story of the telescope discovery credited to Hans Lippershey. People made lenses and were wearing glasses for hundreds of years prior to the invention of the telescope. I read that Kepler (astronomer) wore glasses himself, but the discovery of a telescope even eluded his brilliant mind. Lets see ummmm putting two lenses together ahhhh eureka a telescope/binocular.

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I've seen objectors to global warming citing a scare from a detailed study of the late 19th century about the amount of horse manure the population size off a major city had cause and how it was so large that the city (Philadelphia, I think) could not grow any longer. Of course, they are quick to insist that that prediction of doom was obviously false, as history proves. They want us to buy into the notion that, just as that detailed and carefully developed theory reached faulty conclusions, analogously, the carefully developed theories of global warming with its conclusions must be given equal weight.

However, not a single one of them bothered to acknowledge that it was the altered means of transportation and energy production brought about by fossil fuel use (MOSTLY OIL) that made made it possible for large cities to continue to grow and the human race, as they knew it, to continue and prosper.

The study wasn't wrong! It was based on an assumption that horse drawn and carried transportation was the only practical means available and, were that the case, the study's conclusions would have been correct.

What was wrong was the notion that the human race must persist in the use of a destructive practice in order to survive, i.e., that because most people could not foresee human developement proceeding without depending on horses, they could assume further developement of human society was ending. (Just a wee bit of lack of imagination and determination, like the 19th century claim that all that was left to learn about physics was in the 5th decimal place.)

Eliminate our dependence on fossil fuels (or any other system that eventually amounts to the same or similar conflicts with the environment or even different ones like nuclear power), like we eliminated the dependence on horses and we have a chance.

Keep insisting on this absurd assumption that no other methods are feasible for the production of energy and we are doomed, along with every big eyed cute little spotted puppy that had no option in the decision and only wants a chance to live, along with your sister Sally's yet unborn child.

Let's get off this backward politically driven approach to the problem and find a new way!

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quote:
Originally posted by Machiavelli:
quote:

as long as people keep electing people that put themselves first? this pattern will continue..

I don't know any politician that doesn't put himself/herself first before the "people" regardless of what party and what words they use...

quote:
America was based on the principle of Government FOR the people and BY the people..
That is just a saying in my book.. I never seen any evidence of it throughout American history from the time George Washington became president to the present time... there is always self interest in politics no matter what...

quote:
today? we have a govt for the corporations and by the corporations. and hillary represents that pattern as much as any neo-con.

Your dreaming in a fantasy world if you think the GOP don't do the same thing. In fact I would say they do it much much more then the Left... Hillary whether you like to admit it or not still fights for the little guy unlike the GOP who fights for the rich guys or big Corps... does Hillary do things for Corps? yes of course she does.. but it's a means to a end what she does... and it is meant to help the unfortunate... the GOP only wants to help the fortunate...



so? what you're saying is Hillary will do better than Bush?

oddly enought that's what i hear hillary saying too..

and that is ALL i hear her saying...
she won't say what she will do..

PS: almost any Jr High student could do better than Bush IMO...

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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
PS: almost any Jr High student could do better than Bush IMO...

no doubt. But then that would suppose a collective body making decisions together for the betterment of all. Key word being decision. Hillary can't decide which way is up imo. At least not publicly. And Bush doesn't have much face left.

edited: Thought it was any Jr. High school not just 1 student. [Wink]

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Boo, ya haveta admit, though, unlike "The Great Decider", she can't decide. Dubya has an almost unblemished record of always deciding wrong and for all the wrong reasons.
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This guy is really killing our economy. These oil prices are really getting bad and the middle and lower class are taking a beating.

I am looking at houses that are for sale around here and the prices are being lowered more and more. A lot more foreclosers are coming. The news media is a ways behind what is really happening and the facts.

I sure hope we see a turn around in tactics on the way to handle the sinking economy especially for these young families.

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We are up .10 - .15 since Monday here in Virginia Beach. Also - I just found 2 houses right next to eachother - one colonial and 1 ranch both priced the same and imo about 30% higher priced than what they should be imo considering they are basing their price on a sellers market which came to a screetching halt about 6 months ago. Watching the sells and the buys dry up even in a military town where properties seem to be pretty liquid because of the inbound and outbound transfers. The 1% reduction signs are all over the place along with closing cost assistance - home warranties - but the prices are still trying to hang on. There are also those that are low balling in attempts to get a bidding war going. Pretty crazy everywhere imo.

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oops make that gas up .20 since Monday. Now at 2.75. I hear gas will be easily back over $3 very soon and may climb close to $4. This is for my area. $100 barrels are just a blink away.
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Cost me over $100 to fill up our two today.
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What's sick?

A good strong boycott by consumers would tumble pump prices...but it just won't happen.

This has nothing to do with cost of production...

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Boycott would be great. But great for who? Local transportation would get a boost - buss fare, train fare and such. Just what % would be prepared to not fill up for any certain amount of time? What % even has a clue which bus route or train line to take to get to work? lol What % even knows someone or a couple people that live within even a 5-7 mile radius of them that they see at work everyday or are in the building right next to them so maybe they could car pool?

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What % lives where there are buses or trains to ride?
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If ever such an event could be organized I'm in. Call it National Ride your bike / car pool / leave the car behind day / whatever. Just 1 day. Then next time 2.

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No, it would have to be a "sickout" or ride with a buddy...

but as mentioned... won't happen.

If we still had that spirit? would've been crowds in the street during the Florida "chads" debacle.

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hey tex, how come we need four g-d-m wires on a 240 appliance?

i hate this ground-neutral crap...

check this out:
Fixed appliances on three-wire circuits

In the USA, the chassis/cases of some ovens and clothes dryers were grounded through their neutral wires, as a measure to conserve copper during the Second World War. This practice was removed from the NEC in the 1996 edition, but existing installations may still allow the chassis/case grounding of such appliances to be connected to the neutral conductor. Note that the NEC may be amended by local regulations in each state and city. This practice arose from the three wire system used to supply both 120 volt and 240 volt loads. Because ovens and dryers have components that use both 120 and 240 volts there is often some current on the neutral wire.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_and_neutral

maybe with the sky high price of copper we should go back to three wires systems? [Big Grin] (JK)

this furnace i'm hooking up needs both 240 and 120 ..
the control computer only needs 120, and it don't seem right to bond the neutral and the ground... LOL...
i'm gonna set the computer up on it's own circuit from the main panel and put an UPS on it...

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Seems like we use to built those old 5 tube superheterodyne radio's and sometimes just attach to some conduit for our ground. Instead of wire just use a piece of L bracket metal as our conductor to the conduit(kind of a one wire system) especially when we short of wire.

Remember those old wind up generator phones i do not remember the name. (i am guessing from WW2)
We use to run some wire from them, then find a friend that did not know what they were and have him hold one end of those wires while we crank those buggers up.

Kind of what they use for electic muscle stimulation in physical therapy but you would get your therapy in one quick dose at no charge.

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ever seen a car set up with an extra coil attached to the body to keep people from touching/leaning? [Big Grin]

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back in the day? commercial and industrial used da pipe for ground. Homeowners were left to depend solely on the breakers. Some brands were not dependable.

sure... neutral and ground is same bus, at the panel.

Nowadays, with all the "flex" and "seal-tite" that's available, ground is even more important. Anything metal can transfer.

We ground at every opportunity. Is one thing to get hit with "hot" side...VERRYY bad, KILL-DEATH to get between a wrong neutral and the panel.

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yeah, i have a copper rod bonded to the main box and driven into the ground..
i'm gonna run a 6 bare copper wire inside the BX and bond it (cuz the BX armour is aluminum these days), PLUS a neutral, and i'm still gonna isolate the 'puter on an UPS so when the squirrels pee on the high tension wires from transformers my system will stay "awake"...
we must kill about three squirrels a month on our part of the grid 'round here.. [Eek!]
they sound like shotguns goin' off [Frown]

with nat gas at 8$ today? this thing is already paying for itself and i haven't even turned it on yet [Cool]

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quote:
Originally posted by IWISHIHAD:
Seems like we use to built those old 5 tube superheterodyne radio's and sometimes just attach to some conduit for our ground. Instead of wire just use a piece of L bracket metal as our conductor to the conduit(kind of a one wire system) especially when we short of wire.

Remember those old wind up generator phones i do not remember the name. (i am guessing from WW2)
We use to run some wire from them, then find a friend that did not know what they were and have him hold one end of those wires while we crank those buggers up.

Kind of what they use for electic muscle stimulation in physical therapy but you would get your therapy in one quick dose at no charge.

i once had one of these... they are fun... more fun if you have two, (i didn't ) LOL...

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My mom still has the old screw in fuses and many of the same boxes on a house she has lived in for 60+ years. At 89 she still seems happy with the wiring and old gas heater on wall extending under feet.

With all the big voltages and amps and the new applications today, its just a complete different ballgame. Although if you know the basic electronics-electicity and follow schematic diagrams well you can continually refresh yourself to keep up. I use to when i had to but have given it up in recent years, not much interest anymore. You do not have that choice if its your job unfortunatly.

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i am building an electric melt furnace for my glass...
after it's running i'll put up a snapshot...

in the past we used nat gas or propane... i have propane bills from '03 that were 69 cents a gallon... propane is a byproduct of oil to gasoline...

the cheapest this year was 2.11 and nat gas went from under 4$ a million cubic feet to over 8 today, and "analysts" say that's still cheap compared to oil...

electric is now cheaper, but it wasn't....

the times are changing...

next year? i hope to get our state to pass a law requiring the electric co to allow us to hook solar to the grid... TX and ARK have laws but not MS... same electric co has to let them do it but they won't let me...

i can't run an 18KW furnace on full solar so i have to put it on the grid to offset costs...

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Glassman, i remember some similiar to those also.
I looked a litlle bit on the internet and could not find any that looked like the ones i had. They were probably 1 ft. x 1 ft. and pretty heavy for a field phone, of course i was probably only 13 or 14 at the time.

I did have many of those units, my father use to go to auctions and get carried away every so often. He would just store them at the factory planning on re-selling everything, never happened. Great for me lots of spare parts, and old navy radios. I had a buddy whose dad worked for JPL and we use to get some excess electronics parts from him also. We would built stuff when we were not doing other activities.

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sadly? i also "ruined/wore out" some authentic german ww2 helmets, i hear some of them bring big bucks today... none of 'em had the spike on top... that woulda been even more fun to ruin [Big Grin]

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Glassman......I like this technology better then what you were saying.

MUST WATCH VIDEO!!!!

http://www.crazy s h i t.com/cnt/medias/9031

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quote:
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sadly? i also "ruined/wore out" some authentic german ww2 helmets, i hear some of them bring big bucks today... none of 'em had the spike on top... that woulda been even more fun to ruin [Big Grin]

still got mine (no spike), and a bayonet, too. Right beside my desk, in fact. My Dad's pal took 'em as "spoils." He loved to fight. Was a great singer, too. He sang Maria at my sister's wedding. I sometimes think about the extremes inherent: guy's got a voice that can make you cry, and he loves to fight. Affinity for drama is all I can figger...

my "aside" for the day... [Roll Eyes]

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Fox news?

Oh, sure, I believe that. After all, they also assured me once that there is a perpetual motion machine and are still claiming Saddam had huge stores of WMDs.

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dang, beedge, we had this steered pretty well off-topic...

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Nashoba Holba Chepulechi
Adventures in microcapitalism...

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