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Hey Dudes!

The Bigfoot comes before you with a heavy heart and a plea for help.

For the Bigfoot had a nightmare last night of horrific proportions.

The Bigfoot's nightmare was that extreme environmental scenarios really did effect the worlds climate and hurt the people of the United States.

Please don't let this happen.

Let the Bigfoot tell you a little bit about the Bigfoot and his loyal followers.

The Bigfoot has legions of loyal Bigfoot *******s all over the world.

...Screw that, you don't care...

The Bigfoot, with his 12 foot stature, and his legions of loyal Bigfoot *******s, team together to form the most powerful force in the universe.

The name of this force is:

BIGFOOT BLUESKY!!!

:::::::::Bigfoot doesn't need to Flex His Tummy Muscles!!!:::::::

Although Bigfoot Bluesky is the most powerful force in the universe, it may not be enough to stop the damage to this country if polluting continues unabated!

This is why the Bigfoot and all his Bigfoot *******s need your help.

Please do not pollute our environment!

Please join forces with the Bigfoot, and his loyal Bigfoot *******s, to make Bigfoot Bluesky the most powerful force in the universe, more powerful than ever before, by pledging NOT to pollute the environment.

Join the Bigfoot Crusade!

Become a Bigfoot *******!(benefits include midnight stalking and a hairy chest)

Join the force of Bigfoot Bluesky!

Otherwise.................

Whatcha gonna' do....................

When the Bigfoot.............

And his 12 foot stature.................

Come running wild after you!? (But don't run away fast ok? I got a bad back.)

BIG FOOT!

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HA! Who knew that B>A>S>T>A>R>D would be a blocked word?

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thought I was reading The Munchkin Man.


LOL j/k Bigfoot.... you da man!

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I'm all for it Big.

It makes absolutely zilch of sense to brag about being anti-global warming when all that is involved is stopping human abuse of the environment.

After all, suppose the dunderheads like Georgie and Dickie and the RNC were right and global warming weren't a danger. Would that mean it is good to pollute and encourage wasteful damaging use of fossil fuels (anyway, fossil fuels are too valuable to burn, we NEED them to make the plastics that are a necessity in the modern world.)?

It isn't patriotic or cute to profess abstention from something that can only improve the human condition, no matter who says it is. Attacking it as a political position is immature nonsense. Global warming isn't political except in the minds of the backward and foolish. You might as well take the position that the percentage of oxygen in the air is of no consequence.

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U.N. issues landmark report on global warming
Panel offers dire warnings, establishes scientific baseline for political talks
updated 4:49 a.m. CT, Sat., Nov. 17, 2007


VALENCIA, Spain - The Earth is hurtling toward a warmer age at a quickening pace, a Nobel-winning U.N. scientific panel said in a landmark report Saturday, warning of inevitable human suffering and the threat of species extinction.

The report also offered blueprints to avert the worst catastrophes. U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said climate change imperils "the most precious treasures of our planet."

The potential impact of global warming is "so severe and so sweeping that only urgent, global action will do," Ban told the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change after it issued its fourth and final report this year.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21844627/


READ THE ARTICLE---Note the words "Scientific Certainty"

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I'm kinda late chiming in here...been busy...
Big...that was just too cute!
For the record...my family tries at every attempt to conserve...recycle and reuse EVERYTHING! it drives my kids NUTS! We don't "travel" in a car alone...we "car pool"...we "plan" our trips to the store and the kids plan the "nights out" to coincide with dropping this person there and picking up that one from work and blah blah blah...
Our Garbage collection comes once every 2 weeks...for a family of 8 we have an average of 1 to 1 and 1/2 garbage cans full of "stuff"...that's it...we take a trip to the recycling center every 2 weeks and usually have close to 6 garbage cans full of recyclables...our heat is never above 62 degrees in the winter...and IF we run the AC in the summer on those 90 plus 110% humid days during the summer..it is set at 80...
We don't eat "fast food"...OK maybe 3-4 times a year...I bake and can most things at home...not store bought...We don't use paper plates, napkins or cups...the kids each have their own "color coded" cups that are for drinking and they use only that one...they don't grab a new cup everytime they get a drink of water...(on top of that...if there is a cup sitting in the rec room...I know who to yell at)
All in all we do what we can as a family...and all i can hope is that my children pass it to their friends (which they have) and pass it on to their children...
But I also wanted to add this email that someone forwarded me...apparently it is on "snoopes" so you can check for yourselves...I did not...


Comparing 2 houses:
House #1
A 20 room mansion ( not including 8 bathrooms ) heated by natural gas. Add on a pool ( and a pool house) and a separate guest house, all heated by gas. In one month this residence consumes more energy than the average American household does in a year. The average bill for electricity and natural gas runs over $2,400. In natural gas alone, this property consumes more than 20 times the national average for an American home. This house is not situated in a Northern or Midwestern "snow belt" area. It's in the South.
House #2
Designed by an architecture professor at a leading national university. This house incorporates every "green" feature current
home construction can provide. The house is 4,000 square feet ( 4 bedrooms ) and is nestled on a high prairie in the American southwest. A central closet in the house holds geothermal heat-pumps drawing ground water through pipes sunk 300 feet into the ground. The water (usually 67 degrees F.) heats the house in the winter and cools it in the summer. The system uses no fossil fuels such as oil or natural gas and it consumes one-quarter electricity required for a conventional heating/cooling system. Rainwater from the roof is collected and funneled into a 25,000 gallon underground cistern. Wastewater from showers, sinks and toilets goes into underground purifying tanks and then into the cistern. The collected water then irrigates the land surrounding the house. Surrounding flowers and shrubs native to the area enable the property to blend into the surrounding rural landscape.

HOUSE #1 is outside of Nashville, Tennessee; it is the abode of the "environmentalist" Al Gore.

HOUSE #2 is on a ranch near Crawford, Texas; it is the residence of the President of the United States, George W. Bush.
An "inconvenient truth".

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gawd...

I shoulda proposed when Keith led the mutiny.

But...

then we'd have nuthin' to fight about

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Tex? Should I start the shower? [Wink]

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o my....no

let's do a s-l-o-w bath

well-- whatever's greener!

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Ha-ha...S-L-O-W? Hmmm...well if we "shower/bath" together...that in itself is "conserving"... [Wink]

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Bigfoot,

I hate to tell you, but if global warming is the problem, pollution is the answer! In fact, I think the tree huggers have caused global warming by cleaning up the air. After all, a nice ring of pollution surrounding the planet would deflect the sun's rays and cool the planet. Therefore, cleaning up the air caused the global warming, or at least it could have if global warming was real!

I remember in the late 70's when the environmental wackos were predicting another ice age! They can't seem to make up their minds.

Mike

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What sort of idiot would try and pass that concentrated crap off as credible?

Just stir into hot water and you instantly have fresh warm bull s--t.

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quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
I'm kinda late chiming in here...been busy...
Big...that was just too cute!
For the record...my family tries at every attempt to conserve...recycle and reuse EVERYTHING! it drives my kids NUTS! We don't "travel" in a car alone...we "car pool"...we "plan" our trips to the store and the kids plan the "nights out" to coincide with dropping this person there and picking up that one from work and blah blah blah...encorporated
Our Garbage collection comes once every 2 weeks...for a family of 8 we have an average of 1 to 1 and 1/2 garbage cans full of "stuff"...that's it...we take a trip to the recycling center every 2 weeks and usually have close to 6 garbage cans full of recyclables...our heat is never above 62 degrees in the winter...and IF we run the AC in the summer on those 90 plus 110% humid days during the summer..it is set at 80...
We don't eat "fast food"...OK maybe 3-4 times a year...I bake and can most things at home...not store bought...We don't use paper plates, napkins or cups...the kids each have their own "color coded" cups that are for drinking and they use only that one...they don't grab a new cup everytime they get a drink of water...(on top of that...if there is a cup sitting in the rec room...I know who to yell at)
All in all we do what we can as a family...and all i can hope is that my children pass it to their friends (which they have) and pass it on to their children...
But I also wanted to add this email that someone forwarded me...apparently it is on "snoopes" so you can check for yourselves...I did not...


Comparing 2 houses:
House #1
A 20 room mansion ( not including 8 bathrooms ) heated by natural gas. Add on a pool ( and a pool house) and a separate guest house, all heated by gas. In one month this residence consumes more energy than the average American household does in a year. The average bill for electricity and natural gas runs over $2,400. In natural gas alone, this property consumes more than 20 times the national average for an American home. This house is not situated in a Northern or Midwestern "snow belt" area. It's in the South.
House #2
Designed by an architecture professor at a leading national university. This house incorporates every "green" feature current
home construction can provide. The house is 4,000 square feet ( 4 bedrooms ) and is nestled on a high prairie in the American southwest. A central closet in the house holds geothermal heat-pumps drawing ground water through pipes sunk 300 feet into the ground. The water (usually 67 degrees F.) heats the house in the winter and cools it in the summer. The system uses no fossil fuels such as oil or natural gas and it consumes one-quarter electricity required for a conventional heating/cooling system. Rainwater from the roof is collected and funneled into a 25,000 gallon underground cistern. Wastewater from showers, sinks and toilets goes into underground purifying tanks and then into the cistern. The collected water then irrigates the land surrounding the house. Surrounding flowers and shrubs native to the area enable the property to blend into the surrounding rural landscape.

HOUSE #1 is outside of Nashville, Tennessee; it is the abode of the "environmentalist" Al Gore.

HOUSE #2 is on a ranch near Crawford, Texas; it is the residence of the President of the United States, George W. Bush.
An "inconvenient truth".

You seem to have forgotten to mention that the original plans for house number 1 were for a house that would be much more energy efficient and environmentally friendly than house number 2.

However, whereas house number 2 was built in an area that has almost no restrictive construction codes, thereby granting a nearly free hand to the the architect, the state and local building codes for house number 1 make it illegal to incorporate all those "green" features that are in house number 2. Still, house number 1 incorporated such "green" features as were available and legal.

The building codes that prevail in most of the country are like that. They were written to please the plumbers, electricians, carpenters, and suppliers of standardized construction materials and they take no consideration of the health of the Earth, actually making a building that would be even reasonably environmentally friendly illegal.

Yes, as you say, an inconvenient truth".....

Indeed, a very "inconvenient truth"!

Too bad you chose to hide it and lay a slanderous and false implication.

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Hey Bdgee I suppose it was the Republican party and only the Republican party that standardized those environmentally destructive building codes.

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quote:
Originally posted by Lockman:
Hey Bdgee I suppose it was the Republican party and only the Republican party that standardized those environmentally destructive building codes.

first ones I know of?

Buckminster Fuller had a product that was both form & insulation for masonry, ie...you didn't have to remove it. Just leave it there...

The union deafeated it: made it to "easy" thereby threatening the masons...

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quote:
Originally posted by bdgee:
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
I'm kinda late chiming in here...been busy...
Big...that was just too cute!
For the record...my family tries at every attempt to conserve...recycle and reuse EVERYTHING! it drives my kids NUTS! We don't "travel" in a car alone...we "car pool"...we "plan" our trips to the store and the kids plan the "nights out" to coincide with dropping this person there and picking up that one from work and blah blah blah...encorporated
Our Garbage collection comes once every 2 weeks...for a family of 8 we have an average of 1 to 1 and 1/2 garbage cans full of "stuff"...that's it...we take a trip to the recycling center every 2 weeks and usually have close to 6 garbage cans full of recyclables...our heat is never above 62 degrees in the winter...and IF we run the AC in the summer on those 90 plus 110% humid days during the summer..it is set at 80...
We don't eat "fast food"...OK maybe 3-4 times a year...I bake and can most things at home...not store bought...We don't use paper plates, napkins or cups...the kids each have their own "color coded" cups that are for drinking and they use only that one...they don't grab a new cup everytime they get a drink of water...(on top of that...if there is a cup sitting in the rec room...I know who to yell at)
All in all we do what we can as a family...and all i can hope is that my children pass it to their friends (which they have) and pass it on to their children...
But I also wanted to add this email that someone forwarded me...apparently it is on "snoopes" so you can check for yourselves...I did not...


Comparing 2 houses:
House #1
A 20 room mansion ( not including 8 bathrooms ) heated by natural gas. Add on a pool ( and a pool house) and a separate guest house, all heated by gas. In one month this residence consumes more energy than the average American household does in a year. The average bill for electricity and natural gas runs over $2,400. In natural gas alone, this property consumes more than 20 times the national average for an American home. This house is not situated in a Northern or Midwestern "snow belt" area. It's in the South.
House #2
Designed by an architecture professor at a leading national university. This house incorporates every "green" feature current
home construction can provide. The house is 4,000 square feet ( 4 bedrooms ) and is nestled on a high prairie in the American southwest. A central closet in the house holds geothermal heat-pumps drawing ground water through pipes sunk 300 feet into the ground. The water (usually 67 degrees F.) heats the house in the winter and cools it in the summer. The system uses no fossil fuels such as oil or natural gas and it consumes one-quarter electricity required for a conventional heating/cooling system. Rainwater from the roof is collected and funneled into a 25,000 gallon underground cistern. Wastewater from showers, sinks and toilets goes into underground purifying tanks and then into the cistern. The collected water then irrigates the land surrounding the house. Surrounding flowers and shrubs native to the area enable the property to blend into the surrounding rural landscape.

HOUSE #1 is outside of Nashville, Tennessee; it is the abode of the "environmentalist" Al Gore.

HOUSE #2 is on a ranch near Crawford, Texas; it is the residence of the President of the United States, George W. Bush.
An "inconvenient truth".

You seem to have forgotten to mention that the original plans for house number 1 were for a house that would be much more energy efficient and environmentally friendly than house number 2.

However, whereas house number 2 was built in an area that has almost no restrictive construction codes, thereby granting a nearly free hand to the the architect, the state and local building codes for house number 1 make it illegal to incorporate all those "green" features that are in house number 2. Still, house number 1 incorporated such "green" features as were available and legal.

The building codes that prevail in most of the country are like that. They were written to please the plumbers, electricians, carpenters, and suppliers of standardized construction materials and they take no consideration of the health of the Earth, actually making a building that would be even reasonably environmentally friendly illegal.

Yes, as you say, an inconvenient truth".....

Indeed, a very "inconvenient truth"!

Too bad you chose to hide it and lay a slanderous and false implication.

Bdgee? I didn't "write" that email...in fact I stated...
But I also wanted to add this email that someone forwarded me...apparently it is on "snoopes" so you can check for yourselves...I did not...

And further more...I could really care less as to who or what "county" or zone said what could or could not be built...the fact remains that if this email is correct...and Mr. Al Gore WILLINGLY purchased and "lives" in a house that is NOT even remotely environmentally friendly...I also MUST believe that, first, there was a "free choice" for him to purchase this home...AND second, there was/ and/ or is something that he could do to make the house at bare minimum at least a little more "green"...for one...don't heat the friggin' swimming pool!

As i said...I didn't write the email...if i deceived you into thinking I did...then you should read things more closely before attempting to push your opinion...all IMHO! [Big Grin] [Roll Eyes]

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conjunction dysfunction...

here, as in Cool Hand Luke
we have a failure to communicate

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quote:
Originally posted by Lockman:
Hey Bdgee I suppose it was the Republican party and only the Republican party that standardized those environmentally destructive building codes.

I didn't say or suggest or lay any string of hints that rationally could be construed to imply that passing those restrictive codes was the effort of any party and don't appreciate you suggesting that I did. Are you really that deficient in rationional thought? If not, then why be a d--- head and put out that sort of trash?

I said and I repeat, it is the republicans that are misrepresenting what are the results of restrictive building codes and claiming that they are a "choice" by Gore. The facts are that Gore was denied the choice to have the kind of house that he wanted by the construction codes. A more glaring choice, made intentionally and knowingly, is the choice republicans make to lie about it.

What is the sick need in the dregs of the demented republican psyche (yours most specifically) that forces them to publish constant hatred and lies about people such as Gore, who is not in any way participating in the current political contest and shows no inclination to ever becoming involved again.

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quote:
Originally posted by bdgee:
quote:
Originally posted by Lockman:
Hey Bdgee I suppose it was the Republican party and only the Republican party that standardized those environmentally destructive building codes.

I didn't say or suggest or lay any string of hints that rationally could be construed to imply that passing those restrictive codes was the effort of any party and don't appreciate you suggesting that I did. Are you really that deficient in rationional thought? If not, then why be a d--- head and put out that sort of trash?

I said and I repeat, it is the republicans that are misrepresenting what are the results of restrictive building codes and claiming that they are a "choice" by Gore. The facts are that Gore was denied the choice to have the kind of house that he wanted by the construction codes. A more glaring choice, made intentionally and knowingly, is the choice republicans make to lie about it.

What is the sick need in the dregs of the demented republican psyche (yours most specifically) that forces them to publish constant hatred and lies about people such as Gore, who is not in any way participating in the current political contest and shows no inclination to ever becoming involved again.

Let's face it Bdgee, either written or implyed you try to blame every evil in the world on the Republican Party.

And as far as Al Gore not participating in the current political contest, I suppose you don't consider the Pulitzer Peace Prize to be anything other than political left wing propoganda.

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Hey 10,

That's incredible what you are doing at your house. Gotta admit, even I don't keep my temps where you do. Way to go!

Yeah, I've seen that comparison of houses before. I was very surprised to see that Bush lives in such a responsible home. I get the feeling that Laura might of had a part in that. Another piece to confuse me on why his personal life is so very different from the policy stances he takes.

Anyway, regarding the Gore house. What Bdgee is referring to in regards to construction codes is that Gore was not allowed to put solar panels on his home as he had intended. He has subsequently taken a different route in living up to his image by purchasing carbon credits to offset his impact.

Not the most impressive way to reduce your footprint when you are a national figure but better than nothing.

I have met Mr. Gore before and can tell you the guy isn't the end all and be all of humility, but he does really care about the issue. He believes that using the energy he does (i.e. criticism against all his air travel) is worth it in the end if it educates about personal impact and inspires others to make changes in their lives. He's a typical politician, so I don't always like him, but he has pushed the agenda into the national spotlight.

Property manager, I am afraid your answer is unrealistic. Yes, conceivably, if we were releasing only certain gases into the atmosphere, we could control our global temperature. It would take a regulated global effort to do so and that just isn't possible in this day and age. Also, the atmosphere isn't like insulation in your home. It is comprised of gases that eddy and swirl with the currents of the earths movement. It would be impossible to get an even covering of pollution around the earth which would result in imbalances of radiation from the sun that would thwart what you were suggesting could be accomplished. The problem is not that too many rays from the sun are hitting the earth (the earth has been able to sustain life for millions of years, I think the sun is fine) the problem is that the recent buildup of gases in our atmosphere (principally carbon dioxide from burning fossil fuels) are not allowing heat to escape our atmosphere.

I know that you only have to look in Minnesota right now to see single digit temps but surface temperatures are only one aspect to consider. There are also the temperatures in the higher elevations that impact our weather systems and temps in the lower elevations (below sea level) that can affect fagile ecosystems that are very important. Global warming doesn't mean the whole world gets hotter necessarily, it means more heat trapped within the atmosphere which causes bigger temperature variation that can create more dramatic natural events. Snow and Ice melt is only one of the more visible signs of global warming which is why it is used as an example so often. And that is just the surface of the issue. We could continue into more complicated areas of how one system could affect another which could result in a third more severe complication, but I don't want to make this unreadable.

Beyond everything else, beyond warming or cooling or pollution and everything, the green movement is really just asking for responsibility and efficiency. I think the world is starting to understand that and is beginning to grasp the positive financial implications that can be obtained by being efficient and using cheap or even free renewable sources to power our lives.

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Oh and Tex,

I had never heard about that masonry stuff before.

You mean to say if that stuff hadn't been repressed tuck pointing would be obsolete?

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what i want to know is why can't i get the power co to allow me to put up a solar array and tie it to the grid.

unless your state has a law requiring it? the power co. refuses..

the fact that Bush can afford to buy over a thousand acres and build a custom home on it doesn't impress me.
in fact? his architect did all that... my bet is he justified it all by showing Dubya how good an investment the energy efficiency is..

furthermore? the real issue for the average person is capital investment. we have an economic system in place that nearly forces the average person to simply "buy disposable" and it's not a good long-term economic plan, because whats most affordable today is often not what's best for long-term....


bush's professional energy policy is what matters the most to the world,( and to each and every one of US) and the issue there is more than inconvenient, it's downright neglectful.

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Federal Policies
The 2005 Energy Bill

Renewable Electricity Standard. Despite the 31,000 last-minute letters from UCS activists around the country, the final bill excluded a Renewable Electricity Standard that would have required major electric utilities to gradually increase their use of clean renewable energy such as wind, solar, and bioenergy. Although the renewables standard passed the Senate with bi-partisan support, House leadership stripped it from the final bill. One highlight was the support of the RES by Senators Pete Domenici (R-NM) and Orrin Hatch (R-UT) during the conference debate.


http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_energy/clean_energy_policies/energy-bill-2005.html

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Hey Bdgee I suppose it was the Republican party and only the Republican party that standardized those environmentally destructive building codes.

I didn't say or suggest or lay any string of hints that rationally could be construed to imply that passing those restrictive codes was the effort of any party and don't appreciate you suggesting that I did. Are you really that deficient in rationional thought? If not, then why be a d--- head and put out that sort of trash?

I said and I repeat, it is the republicans that are misrepresenting what are the results of restrictive building codes and claiming that they are a "choice" by Gore. The facts are that Gore was denied the choice to have the kind of house that he wanted by the construction codes. A more glaring choice, made intentionally and knowingly, is the choice republicans make to lie about it.

What is the sick need in the dregs of the demented republican psyche (yours most specifically) that forces them to publish constant hatred and lies about people such as Gore, who is not in any way participating in the current political contest and shows no inclination to ever becoming involved again.

Let's face it Bdgee, either written or implyed you try to blame every evil in the world on the Republican Party.

And as far as Al Gore not participating in the current political contest, I suppose you don't consider the Pulitzer Peace Prize to be anything other than political left wing propoganda.

I do face it. lock...

You are a republican Party line dufus that makes it a full time duty to spread vulgar lies about anything that isn't out of the far right-wing evangelical hope chest.

So far as trying "to blame every evil in the world on the Republican Party.", the republican party is responsible for more than any other single entity for the problems the world has today and their dishonesty and un-American zeal to destroy the Constitution are responsible for most of the problems in the U.S. has. (That refers to the trashy hateful usurpers of the once respectable but now despicable title "republican" and I simultaneously state my apologies to any and all of the old time honorable republicans, along with my sympathies that name of the party you loved and nurtured so long was stolen by these guys.)

Looks like you didn't do so good a job with the language in this rant:

"And as far as Al Gore not participating in the current political contest, I suppose you don't consider the Pulitzer Peace Prize to be anything other than political left wing propoganda.",

but I will answer the question you couldn't get out correctly.

I do not consider anything about the Nobel prizes to be propaganda of any kind. Only a mental defective can approach a conclusion that the Nobel Committees are engaging in "left-wing" propaganda simply because they agree with 95% of the responsible educated population in the world rather than transmitting the vulgar hype that comes from the RNC.

One of your problems that you share with other far right-wingers is that you hate rather than think and anything that isn't strictly far right-wing gets labeled as wrong. Thus, lacking the smarts to understand that not being right-wing is not the same as being on the left, you rattle on and on about things you are not equipped to conger.

Haven't you ever wondered, if there is any validity to far right-wing arguments and positions, why isn't it the case that all intellectuals and highly educated people are far right-wingers, instead of being overwhelmingly against everything you say, as is the actual case? Maybe it is you that isn't with it?

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Glass...

To get the law in Mississippi to require that the power companies must accept power contribution from your fixtures, you will need a legislature and governor that are willing to do so.

Considering the hold that the far right conservatives have on them, the best I can offer is "good luck".

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quote:
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what i want to know is why can't i get the power co to allow me to put up a solar array and tie it to the grid.

unless your state has a law requiring it? the power co. refuses..

the fact that Bush can afford to buy over a thousand acres and build a custom home on it doesn't impress me.
in fact? his architect did all that... my bet is he justified it all by showing Dubya how good an investment the energy efficiency is..

furthermore? the real issue for the average person is capital investment. we have an economic system in place that nearly forces the average person to simply "buy disposable" and it's not a good long-term economic plan, because whats most affordable today is often not what's best for long-term....


bush's professional energy policy is what matters the most to the world,( and to each and every one of US) and the issue there is more than inconvenient, it's downright neglectful.

Hey Glass... I think Mass. lets you do it with a special permit. You have to have your plans approved and then inspected. Not sure of the complete regs but my bro in law was trying to do sumtin like that. Sure would help with the brown outs.

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Oh and Tex,

I had never heard about that masonry stuff before.

You mean to say if that stuff hadn't been repressed tuck pointing would be obsolete?

no...there'd be repairs, renovations, etc...

the main point is special-interest groups have, can, and will protect their niches rather than embrace innovation--to the detriment of society overall.

Here's another example: electrical code now mandates the use of what we call "stingers," a little hank of green-insulated wire with a green machine screw that installs in every J-box or device box for bonding your ground. Is just an extra step and extra expense that benefits nobody except the manufacturer...

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lets say you buy a 10 kilowatt solar array, price? about 55,000$...
you can add that to price of your home when you sell it [Big Grin]

it can deliver 10 kilowatts for 6 hours a day avg,(i'm guessing, based on amount of sunshine available, some places would be higher, some would be lower....


365 X 10 x 6 = 21,900 kilowats/hrs per year...

Electricity consumption by 107 million U.S. households in 2001 totaled 1,140 billion kWh
http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/reps/enduse/er01_us.html

that 10 KW panel on every home would produce 2,343,300,000,000 KW...

see the math? the power co's would be reduced to MANAGING our power....

it gets better.. the power co's have to produce about 7 KW to give you ONE, by redistributing the location of power production? that cost would decrease dramatically...

this page here shows you how and why they have to produce so much more power to get you your juice:

http://www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm

it's simply a factor of conductor size and voltage drop...

also? peak electric demands coincide with heat from the sun causing us to run our AC units...

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I'll give you another example, though not among "building codes"

In Texas (and in most states I am told), in order to legally operate a vehicle on public roads and waterways that doesn't either burn gasoline or deisel fuel, you have to pay a special yearly fee when you pay for license plates to make up for the cost of taxes when you burn gasoline or diesel. That fee is actually a higher amount than the gasoline taxes you would have paid, so, if you go to the effort of building (or converting) a vehicle to a more energy efficient or less polluting type of fuel, you will pay a penalty in addition to the cost of the conversion (suppose the oil companies lobbies had any influence here?).

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did i get the math right budg?

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I'm not much of a book keeper or accountant, but I think so, glass.
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