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I don't think this is real but I also don't think it is that far fetched of an idea.
I beleive the merger of the North American countries will happen eventually.
As to the economic thing? Everyone in Europe was very leary of the Euro crashing the system over there and look how they are doing 5 years later. Not Bad.
Cultural differences will be the biggest problem to my mind rather than economic.
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did i just hear the bartender say last call?
Mexico Sends 1st Long-Haul Trucks to US
By LISA J. ADAMS – 17 hours ago
MEXICO CITY (AP) — Two Mexican tractor-trailers have delivered payloads in New York and South Carolina, becoming the first trucks to operate deep in the United States under a long-delayed, NAFTA-mandated program criticized on both sides of the border.
The trucks, operated by Transportes Olympic, a company based outside the northern Mexican city of Monterrey, crossed into the United States carrying steel construction materials and will haul similar products from Arkansas and Alabama back across the border, Mexican Transportation Secretary Luis Tellez said Sunday.
when was the last time you saw an American flagged cargo ship sailing the high seas?
within a couple years? all trucks will be registered in Mexico because it's cheaper...
The International Brotherhood of Teamsters, environmentalist group the Sierra Club and watchdog organization Public Citizen sued to stop it, saying Mexican trucks do not meet U.S. safety and environmental standards and that there would not be enough oversight of drivers crossing the border. A federal appeals court ruled last week that the Bush administration could move ahead with the program.
Dozens of truckers protested at border crossings in Texas and California on Thursday, some carrying signs reading "NAFTA Kills" and "Unsafe Mexican Trucks."
PS: Clinton was just as involved in this as Bush...
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hmmmmm...... maybe these guys do have a safety problem?
Mexico Dynamite Truck Explosion Kills 34
By JUAN MONTANO – 1 hour ago
PIEDRAS NEGRAS, Mexico (AP) — A dynamite-laden truck exploded after colliding with another vehicle on a busy highway in northern Mexico's coal country, killing at least 34 people, including three reporters at the scene, state and federal officials said.
Authorities said the two vehicles crashed into each other Sunday evening, drawing a crowd of curious onlookers as well as a small army of police, soldiers, emergency officials and journalists.
Shortly after the crowd arrived, the wreckage caught fire, and the dynamite exploded, sending a ball of fire into the sky that consumed nearby cars and left a 10-by-40 foot crater in the concrete, said Maximo Alberto Neri Lopez, a federal police official.
He said more than 150 people were injured.
The force of the explosion blew out the windows of a passenger bus a quarter-mile away.
The dead included three newspaper reporters from the nearby city of Monclova, said Luis Horacio de Hoyos of the Coahuila state Attorney General's Office.
is osambinalivetoolong pulling string here too? his video just came out:
Explosions Strike Mexico Gas Pipelines
By MIGUEL HERNANDEZ – 13 minutes ago
VERACRUZ, Mexico (AP) — Mexican gas and oil pipelines were attacked in six places before dawn Monday, causing explosions, fires and gas leaks that forced the evacuation of thousands of people.
The blasts reverberated for miles. No direct injuries were reported, though civil defense agencies said two women in their 70s who lived nearby died of heart attacks shortly afterward.
The six blasts happened about 2 a.m. in the Gulf coast state of Veracruz, the Mexican state oil monopoly Petroleos Mexicanos, or Pemex, said in a statement. The company immediately shut down the affected lines as well as an extra line in the area as a precaution.
Flames from the fires could be seen up to six miles away, said Pedro Jimenez, who was packing his family into a truck to leave. "You could see the fields of crops lit up."
Dozens of families lined roadways to evacuate to local shelters.
Pemex said domestic gas and gasoline service would not be affected.
At four sections of the pipelines, fires broke out, while at others leaking gas prompted fears of explosions and forced civil protection authorities to evacuate several communities including Ciudad Cardel and Antigua, said state Civil Protection Deputy Director Ranulfo Marquez.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: hmmmmm...... maybe these guys do have a safety problem?
Mexico Dynamite Truck Explosion Kills 34
By JUAN MONTANO – 1 hour ago
PIEDRAS NEGRAS, Mexico (AP) — A dynamite-laden truck exploded after colliding with another vehicle on a busy highway in northern Mexico's coal country, killing at least 34 people, including three reporters at the scene, state and federal officials said.
Authorities said the two vehicles crashed into each other Sunday evening, drawing a crowd of curious onlookers as well as a small army of police, soldiers, emergency officials and journalists.
Shortly after the crowd arrived, the wreckage caught fire, and the dynamite exploded, sending a ball of fire into the sky that consumed nearby cars and left a 10-by-40 foot crater in the concrete, said Maximo Alberto Neri Lopez, a federal police official.
He said more than 150 people were injured.
The force of the explosion blew out the windows of a passenger bus a quarter-mile away.
The dead included three newspaper reporters from the nearby city of Monclova, said Luis Horacio de Hoyos of the Coahuila state Attorney General's Office.
is osambinalivetoolong pulling string here too? his video just came out:
Explosions Strike Mexico Gas Pipelines
By MIGUEL HERNANDEZ – 13 minutes ago
VERACRUZ, Mexico (AP) — Mexican gas and oil pipelines were attacked in six places before dawn Monday, causing explosions, fires and gas leaks that forced the evacuation of thousands of people.
The blasts reverberated for miles. No direct injuries were reported, though civil defense agencies said two women in their 70s who lived nearby died of heart attacks shortly afterward.
The six blasts happened about 2 a.m. in the Gulf coast state of Veracruz, the Mexican state oil monopoly Petroleos Mexicanos, or Pemex, said in a statement. The company immediately shut down the affected lines as well as an extra line in the area as a precaution.
Flames from the fires could be seen up to six miles away, said Pedro Jimenez, who was packing his family into a truck to leave. "You could see the fields of crops lit up."
Dozens of families lined roadways to evacuate to local shelters.
Pemex said domestic gas and gasoline service would not be affected.
At four sections of the pipelines, fires broke out, while at others leaking gas prompted fears of explosions and forced civil protection authorities to evacuate several communities including Ciudad Cardel and Antigua, said state Civil Protection Deputy Director Ranulfo Marquez.
Ah yes Glass.. because truck accidents only happen in Mexico and never in the U.S. as well as gas, carbon monoxide leaks etc...
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this wreck was tragedy no doubt, but why were so many people milling about a truckload of dynamite that was on fire and ready to explode?
i've never heard of such a thing in the US...
here's why:
federal law requires these to be posted all ove r the trucks..
they are used for all types of loads, OXY, Alkaline, Acids, etc...
i'm sure the Mexican trucks will be properly placarded when they come here....
here's the scenario i see developing:
Mexican trucking companies will be able to offer their services at a 10% reduction compared to American co's, and make double the profits while doing so....
how long do you think it will take for the Mexican co's to "force out" the American co's, or worse yet? to force them to reduce truckers wages and start cutting corners on other costs (leading to safety issues)
truckers really are where the rubber meets the road in trade...
no delivery? no sales...
this is just another "squeeze" on the US labor force...
i wonder how many US politicians (Dem and GOP) are heavily invested in Mexican Trucking co's now
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: this wreck was tragedy no doubt, but why were so many people milling about a truckload of dynamite that was on fire and ready to explode?
i've never heard of such a thing in the US...
here's why:
federal law requires these to be posted all ove r the trucks..
they are used for all types of loads, OXY, Alkaline, Acids, etc...
i'm sure the Mexican trucks will be properly placarded when they come here....
here's the scenario i see developing:
Mexican trucking companies will be able to offer their services at a 10% reduction compared to American co's, and make double the profits while doing so....
how long do you think it will take for the Mexican co's to "force out" the American co's, or worse yet? to force them to reduce truckers wages and start cutting corners on other costs (leading to safety issues)
truckers really are where the rubber meets the road in trade...
no delivery? no sales...
this is just another "squeeze" on the US labor force...
i wonder how many US politicians (Dem and GOP) are heavily invested in Mexican Trucking co's now
I agree with you that they should have signs on the trucks saying it has explosives.. perhaps they did have them but people just ignored them or couldn't appreciate the danger... like people here with fireworks on 4th of July in their backyards...
As for the Mexican Co's forcing out the American Co's... we'll that is called "competition" through capitalism my friend... we advocate it among U.S. companies and advocate capitalism around the world but get bent out of shape when a outside company competes against us and does better on price... can't have it both ways.... preach capitalism and democracy to others outside our country but then yell foul when they practice it and do better...
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Quite certain your tune would be different if you were a truck driver. Funny how none of us care when it's the other guy getting screwed. So much for that American loyalty. Maybe it is best for this country to vanish... seems it's spirit died long ago.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: this really is a fundamental attack on the US worker.
let's put this into perspective.
truck driving is one of those jobs that a person can make a decent living without much education..
you speak of competition? this had nothing to do with competition, it's strictly about finding the cheapest labor to do the job...
this ain't about doing a BETTER job... it's about who's willing to eat the chit sandwich (or burrito) with less bread....
Au contraire Glass and Relentless... has everything to do with competition... you want us to export our products to other countries yet not let them do the logistics of it as well as not let their products into our country... is that fair? ... kind of hyprocritical no?.... this has nothing to do with patriotism... we are living in a more and more global economy and you have to expect competition for goods and services... we freaking preach capitalism, globalization etc. to the world for christ sakes lol ....
As for a better job.... this is trucking.... not rocket science... and they are licensed truckers in Mexico... so spare me the illegal immigration taking american jobs sob story on this...
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and the figures are clear, globalisation is destroying the US middle class...
rather than bring Mexico UP? the US will have the same problems they do in 20 years if this keeps up..
the number of uninsured here is growing every year because employers can't afford the AVG 12K$ per year in health care premiums..
Today there are approximately 146,000 (0.1%) households with incomes exceeding $1,500,000, while the top 0.01% or 11,000 households had incomes exceeding $5,500,000. The 400 highest tax payers in the nation had gross annual household incomes exceeding $87,000,000. Household incomes for this group have risen more dramatically than for any other. As a result the gap between those who make less than one and half million dollars annually (99.9% of households) and those who make more (0.1%) has been steadily increasing, prompting The New York Times to proclaim that the "Richest Are Leaving Even the Rich Far Behind." Indeed the income disparities within the top 1.5% are quite drastic. While households in the top 1.5% of households had incomes exceeding $250,000, 443% above the national median, their incomes were still 2200% lower than those of the top .01% of houseolds. One can therefore conclude that any household, even those with incomes of $250,000 annually are relatively poor when compared to the top .1%, who in turn are relatively poor compared to the top 0.000267%, the top 400 taxpaying households.
that .1% is the group pushing globalisation...
and you can bet they are well positioned already to take full advantage of NAFTA...
and? i bet if you look really, really hard? you'll find the "poor and downtrodden" in mexico are in the same percentages as we are getting to here...
which is why they wanna come here, but in the end? they'll be just as poor but have more "friends" to share their misery with...
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: "we" don't preach globalisation..
the "captains of industry" do..
and the figures are clear, globalisation is destroying the US middle class...
rather than bring Mexico UP? the US will have the same problems they do in 20 years if this keeps up..
the number of uninsured here is growing every year because employers can't afford the AVG 12K$ per year in health care premiums..
Today there are approximately 146,000 (0.1%) households with incomes exceeding $1,500,000, while the top 0.01% or 11,000 households had incomes exceeding $5,500,000. The 400 highest tax payers in the nation had gross annual household incomes exceeding $87,000,000. Household incomes for this group have risen more dramatically than for any other. As a result the gap between those who make less than one and half million dollars annually (99.9% of households) and those who make more (0.1%) has been steadily increasing, prompting The New York Times to proclaim that the "Richest Are Leaving Even the Rich Far Behind." Indeed the income disparities within the top 1.5% are quite drastic. While households in the top 1.5% of households had incomes exceeding $250,000, 443% above the national median, their incomes were still 2200% lower than those of the top .01% of houseolds. One can therefore conclude that any household, even those with incomes of $250,000 annually are relatively poor when compared to the top .1%, who in turn are relatively poor compared to the top 0.000267%, the top 400 taxpaying households.
that .1% is the group pushing globalisation...
and you can bet they are well positioned already to take full advantage of NAFTA...
and? i bet if you look really, really hard? you'll find the "poor and downtrodden" in mexico are in the same percentages as we are getting to here...
which is why they wanna come here, but in the end? they'll be just as poor but have more "friends" to share their misery with...
we all preach "democracy" which is just another word for capitalism and globalization... let's not kid ourselves... but anyways do you think our economy will grow if we kept imports out as well as services from other countries?.. nope... other countries will surpass us like China is already doing... the problem with this country is it doesn't modify or tweek itself to better compete with the outside world... all it does is blame others for it's own problems... capitalism whether from the little guys or big guys is survival of the fittest much like the stock market... there is no bear side or the bull side.. just the right side....
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: this really is a fundamental attack on the US worker.
let's put this into perspective.
truck driving is one of those jobs that a person can make a decent living without much education..
you speak of competition? this had nothing to do with competition, it's strictly about finding the cheapest labor to do the job...
this ain't about doing a BETTER job... it's about who's willing to eat the chit sandwich (or burrito) with less bread....
Au contraire Glass and Relentless... has everything to do with competition... you want us to export our products to other countries yet not let them do the logistics of it as well as not let their products into our country... is that fair? ... kind of hyprocritical no?.... this has nothing to do with patriotism... we are living in a more and more global economy and you have to expect competition for goods and services... we freaking preach capitalism, globalization etc. to the world for christ sakes lol ....
As for a better job.... this is trucking.... not rocket science... and they are licensed truckers in Mexico... so spare me the illegal immigration taking american jobs sob story on this...
Machiavelli...Are you serious?...that has to be one of the most simple minded, ignorant statements that I have ever read on this board...
Two questions for you...
1. How old are you? 2. What do you do for a living?
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Mach, the honest truth is that if i beleived this was about real competition i would be all for it..
when we invaded Iraq? i kept trying to tell people here at allstocks that you can't just give somebody freedom... i MEANT it... as you can see 4 years later? it's true..
as for NAFTA and globalisation? what i really see is a small group of people that that are exploiting areas of the world that have no environmental laws, no labor laws, no building codes..
all of those things lead to "uncompettitveness", BUT? they are the underlying measures of quality of life...
you say you have friends in China.. ask them about their growing environmental problems.. they'll probably tell you they don't even exist, o r that they are minor.. that's because they don't even know, due tot he fact that the Chinese government has very tight controls on what is talked about, or even posted on message boards...
here's a fact: i can't even melt glass for what the chinese SELL glass here in America for... after they ship it and the importer takes a 100% cut... of course it's crap.. but selling crap didn't stop walmart from becoming the number one retailer in t e world did it?
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: The 400 highest tax payers in the nation had gross annual household incomes exceeding $87,000,000. Household
Go Rufas!
lol
oh... wait... those are taxpayers
never mind.
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yep... in South Texas it's very common, less and less commn as you get away from the border:
Pizza chain sparks debate by accepting pesos Hate mail follows promotion — management says it’s serving customers Updated: 11:26 a.m. CT Jan 12, 2007
DALLAS - A pizza chain has been hit with death threats and hate mail after offering to accept Mexican pesos, becoming another flashpoint in the nation’s debate over immigrants.
quote:Originally posted by rimasco: A friend of mine told me the other day that there were some stores in southern states that excepted paso's.
any you guys familiar witht this rumor?
Whenever I go to Switzerland I always ask if I can pay in euros instead of swiss francs. They always accept euros but they charge a bigger exchange rate so when they convert those euros into swiss francs they get more swiss francs.
Everyone's happy. I don't have the burden of having to buy francs, and they get extra commission. Same for America. So the solution? Ask more pesos
As for the Amero, over the years many things got 1.5-2x more expensive here since the Euro was introduced, though as I'm not an economist, I'm not sure the introduction of the Euro has anything to do with it, anyway, just an observation
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: hmmmmm...... maybe these guys do have a safety problem?
Mexico Dynamite Truck Explosion Kills 34
By JUAN MONTANO – 1 hour ago
PIEDRAS NEGRAS, Mexico (AP) — A dynamite-laden truck exploded after colliding with another vehicle on a busy highway in northern Mexico's coal country, killing at least 34 people, including three reporters at the scene, state and federal officials said.
Authorities said the two vehicles crashed into each other Sunday evening, drawing a crowd of curious onlookers as well as a small army of police, soldiers, emergency officials and journalists.
Shortly after the crowd arrived, the wreckage caught fire, and the dynamite exploded, sending a ball of fire into the sky that consumed nearby cars and left a 10-by-40 foot crater in the concrete, said Maximo Alberto Neri Lopez, a federal police official.
He said more than 150 people were injured.
The force of the explosion blew out the windows of a passenger bus a quarter-mile away.
The dead included three newspaper reporters from the nearby city of Monclova, said Luis Horacio de Hoyos of the Coahuila state Attorney General's Office.
is osambinalivetoolong pulling string here too? his video just came out:
Explosions Strike Mexico Gas Pipelines
By MIGUEL HERNANDEZ – 13 minutes ago
VERACRUZ, Mexico (AP) — Mexican gas and oil pipelines were attacked in six places before dawn Monday, causing explosions, fires and gas leaks that forced the evacuation of thousands of people.
The blasts reverberated for miles. No direct injuries were reported, though civil defense agencies said two women in their 70s who lived nearby died of heart attacks shortly afterward.
The six blasts happened about 2 a.m. in the Gulf coast state of Veracruz, the Mexican state oil monopoly Petroleos Mexicanos, or Pemex, said in a statement. The company immediately shut down the affected lines as well as an extra line in the area as a precaution.
Flames from the fires could be seen up to six miles away, said Pedro Jimenez, who was packing his family into a truck to leave. "You could see the fields of crops lit up."
Dozens of families lined roadways to evacuate to local shelters.
Pemex said domestic gas and gasoline service would not be affected.
At four sections of the pipelines, fires broke out, while at others leaking gas prompted fears of explosions and forced civil protection authorities to evacuate several communities including Ciudad Cardel and Antigua, said state Civil Protection Deputy Director Ranulfo Marquez.
Just hope your not the American who gets in an accident with one of these Mexican Trucks. I'm sure trying to get compensated for your losses will be a nightmare.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: this really is a fundamental attack on the US worker.
let's put this into perspective.
truck driving is one of those jobs that a person can make a decent living without much education..
you speak of competition? this had nothing to do with competition, it's strictly about finding the cheapest labor to do the job...
this ain't about doing a BETTER job... it's about who's willing to eat the chit sandwich (or burrito) with less bread....
Au contraire Glass and Relentless... has everything to do with competition... you want us to export our products to other countries yet not let them do the logistics of it as well as not let their products into our country... is that fair? ... kind of hyprocritical no?.... this has nothing to do with patriotism... we are living in a more and more global economy and you have to expect competition for goods and services... we freaking preach capitalism, globalization etc. to the world for christ sakes lol ....
As for a better job.... this is trucking.... not rocket science... and they are licensed truckers in Mexico... so spare me the illegal immigration taking american jobs sob story on this...
Machiavelli...Are you serious?...that has to be one of the most simple minded, ignorant statements that I have ever read on this board...
Two questions for you...
1. How old are you? 2. What do you do for a living?
My age and what I do for a living has nothing to do with my statement... It would still be the same statement whether I was a truck driver at 80 for example... sorry if my statement does not conform to your ideals... but I do not have to bow down to what you believe in... I am not anti-American but I am a capitalist first and foremost and I would say the same things no matter what country i live in or am a citizen of... Americans in general want a monopoly when it comes to trade of good and services and the jobs that go along with it... americans either admit it openly or privately... if you think that is BS... then ask yourself this... would we be having the same debates even if they conform to our laws/ideals?... I think we would... we would still be *****ing about cheaper products, taking american jobs away etc.. etc.. while we are trying to do the same to their countries if we can... thats what most countries including our own are known for... *****ing about everything no matter if they get their way... but anyways what they do in their country in terms of laws, labor, prices etc. is their business and we cannot tell them what to do anymore then they can tell us what to do within our own borders...
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quote:Originally posted by rimasco: A friend of mine told me the other day that there were some stores in southern states that excepted paso's.
any you guys familiar witht this rumor?
Whenever I go to Switzerland I always ask if I can pay in euros instead of swiss francs. They always accept euros but they charge a bigger exchange rate so when they convert those euros into swiss francs they get more swiss francs.
Everyone's happy. I don't have the burden of having to buy francs, and they get extra commission. Same for America. So the solution? Ask more pesos
As for the Amero, over the years many things got 1.5-2x more expensive here since the Euro was introduced, though as I'm not an economist, I'm not sure the introduction of the Euro has anything to do with it, anyway, just an observation
Good observation and you beat me to it... we get bent out of shape if a different currency is used in our borders like the peso... but we have no problems with using our currency in other countrys let's say like Costa Rica instead of their own currency the Colon... just a example...
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A. She is retarded B. She was out to do a lawsuit to begin with since this is the land of lawsuits C. She could be a fraud
quote:why is it that all of the most IMMEDIATELY profitable solutions end up costing the MOST in the long run? [/QB]
Frivolous lawsuits is a problem in this country though she hasn't done it yet.. don't be surprised if she does... it's like hitting the lottery for some people...
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while we are trying to do the same to their countries if we can... thats what most countries including our own are known for... *****ing about everything no matter if they get their way... but anyways what they do in their country in terms of laws, labor, prices etc. is their business and we cannot tell them what to do anymore then they can tell us what to do within our own borders...
once again Mach. you are speaking of the overlords. the very same set of people live everywhere, and the ones that live in Mexico are the reason so many Mexicans are poor...
Americans have struggled hard to create a middle class... and these bastrds are destroying it...
i showed you the demographics.. Japan is now struggling with the disapearance of their middle class too...
many of the laws created to protect the middle class were placed there in response to the great depression.. there are so many similarities shared between what happened to trigger that and whats going on right now that i'm even hearing analysts at large financial institutions sounding nervous...
other countries have used our currency in thepast because it WAS dependable.. that's changing RIGHT NOW, as we watch...
Paulson berates banks
By James Quinn, Wall Street Correspondent Last Updated: 1:56am BST 13/09/2007
US Treasury Secretary Henry 'Hank' Paulson has blamed banks and mortgage lenders for creating north America's sub-prime crisis. Speaking after the meeting, he said: "Unlike periods of financial turbulence I've witnessed over many years, this turbulence wasn't precipitated by problems in the real economy. This came about as a result of some bad lending practices."
SAME CHIT DIFFERENT CENTURY....
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: [qb] Mach, the honest truth is that if i beleived this was about real competition i would be all for it..
Honestly, I don't think you would be for it. You like most americans in general are never satisfied. You are in general like most Americans that think other countries should conform to our laws or way of life... they must have our labor laws, safety laws, unions to protect workers etc. But the reality is you cannot tell them what to do anymore then they can tell us what to do in our own borders...
quote:when we invaded Iraq? i kept trying to tell people here at allstocks that you can't just give somebody freedom... i MEANT it... as you can see 4 years later? it's true..
I don't recalling you posting this statements 4 years ago so I'll have to take your word on it but i do agree with it if you did say it...
quote:as for NAFTA and globalisation? what i really see is a small group of people that that are exploiting areas of the world that have no environmental laws, no labor laws, no building codes..
Every nation tries to exploit loopholes in another nations laws... America is no different... and any businessman.. whether small or big and smart enough would do so... as long as they are not breaking American laws... but I wouldn't say a small group... it just seems that way because not much focus is in the media about it...
quote:all of those things lead to "uncompettitveness", BUT? they are the underlying measures of quality of life...
Again you cannot tell another country that you MUST have the same laws as our own... if we did it would not be a democracy but IMPERIALISM... and we wouldn't want that now would we? lol
quote:you say you have friends in China.. ask them about their growing environmental problems.. they'll probably tell you they don't even exist, o r that they are minor.. that's because they don't even know, due tot he fact that the Chinese government has very tight controls on what is talked about, or even posted on message boards...
Actually one of them that I talk to more then the others has told me of such issues... especially in Shanghai and surrounding areas since that city is in tremendous growth... Their government cannot censor their eyes when they look up to the sky while walking down a city street...
quote:here's a fact: i can't even melt glass for what the chinese SELL glass here in America for... after they ship it and the importer takes a 100% cut... of course it's crap.. but selling crap didn't stop walmart from becoming the number one retailer in t e world did it?
blame that on our high labor cost among other things that add to the cost in this country.... don't blame another country for such issues... A friend of mine who went to France awhile ago told me a cup of coffee costs $5 there while here it's 1.50 or whatever (if not in Starbucks)... do you hear the French complaining or blaming America for their high cost in coffee?... nope...
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Icon 1 posted September 19, 2005 20:22 Profile for glassman Send New Private Message Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote "the people of Iraq" need help???the people of New Orleans need to take care of themselves???? which is it???
that's what i keep hearing the "defenders of Bush" saying....
i say freedom can't be "given" to anyone...it's a constant fight just to keep it....
and i got news for ya, Iraq will look just like Iran as sson as we leave, if we do leave....
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quote:here's a fact: i can't even melt glass for what the chinese SELL glass here in America for... after they ship it and the importer takes a 100% cut... of course it's crap.. but selling crap didn't stop walmart from becoming the number one retailer in t e world did it?
blame that on our high labor cost among other things that add to the cost in this country.... don't blame another country for such issues... A friend of mine who went to France awhile ago told me a cup of coffee costs $5 there while here it's 1.50 or whatever (if not in Starbucks)... do you hear the French complaining or blaming America for their high cost in coffee?... nope... ------------------------------------
LOL high labor costs? not...
it's simply the cost of fuel... China DOES NOT have a free trading economy... they have price controls on fuels and they are giving tax breaks to their companies so they can undersell US:
China says domestic politics behind U.S., Mexico WTO cases Published: September 4, 2007
BEIJING: China said Tuesday domestic politics were behind bids by the U.S. and Mexico to have the World Trade Organization open investigations into allegations Beijing provides illegal subsidies for a range of industries.
The WTO set up an expert panel Friday to probe the charges.
The two countries accuse Beijing of using WTO-prohibited tax breaks to encourage Chinese companies to boost exports, while imposing tax and tariff penalties to limit purchases of foreign products in China
yep thats Mexico charging them too
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quote:once again Mach. you are speaking of the overlords. the very same set of people live everywhere, and the ones that live in Mexico are the reason so many Mexicans are poor...
Yes there is overlords in Mexico and all other latin countries including Costa Rica... it has always been like that since the days of Spain... maybe a latin culture thing... I don't know... but you won't change it so best to stop *****ing about it and try to find solutions to compete against them...
quote:Americans have struggled hard to create a middle class... and these bastrds are destroying it...
Actually Americans themselves are the ones destroying the middle class and I'll tell you why... This country is a consumer based country and we tend to spend above our means and get into debt... Debt is what is killing the middle class not globalization...
quote:i showed you the demographics.. Japan is now struggling with the disapearance of their middle class too...
Japan's middle class has the same problem... DEBT...
quote:many of the laws created to protect the middle class were placed there in response to the great depression.. there are so many similarities shared between what happened to trigger that and whats going on right now that i'm even hearing analysts at large financial institutions sounding nervous...
They are nervous about one word: RECESSION.... anyways how about creating laws to protect our poor?... now that is a noble idea... btw while the rich are the middleclass "overlords"... what is the Poor's "overlords"?
quote:other countries have used our currency in thepast because it WAS dependable.. that's changing RIGHT NOW, as we watch...
I wouldn't say dependable since it is backed by "faith" only... now that is a scary though considering what happened in 1929 and the Great Depression that followed it... to have a currency backed by nothing but faith... "Dependable" is a myth created by the FED among other things...
quote: Paulson berates banks
By James Quinn, Wall Street Correspondent Last Updated: 1:56am BST 13/09/2007
US Treasury Secretary Henry 'Hank' Paulson has blamed banks and mortgage lenders for creating north America's sub-prime crisis. Speaking after the meeting, he said: "Unlike periods of financial turbulence I've witnessed over many years, this turbulence wasn't precipitated by problems in the real economy. This came about as a result of some bad lending practices."
SAME CHIT DIFFERENT CENTURY....
I read a interesting article today in the paper blaming our financial problems on Greenspan for lowering the interest rates so low as to encourage out of control lending and/or borrowing to put us in our current sub prime mortgage situation.... But I don't blame him because he was trying to stimulate the economy in the wake of 9/11 and imo he did the right thing... just some "sharks" in the lending field took advantage of it and were not monitored by the GOP who are friends with the Big Lenders imo....
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Ernesto "Che" Guevara de la Serna Posts: 4669 | Registered: Mar 2004
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Add see, you say Mexico aren't our friends lol ... btw in Costa Rica the gov't controls gasoline and keep it artificially high... You wouldn't want to know what it costs in CR to fill up your tank... and you guys b*tch about gas prices here lol ... thats what happens when there is a state controlled monopoly and no "competition".... high prices...
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Ernesto "Che" Guevara de la Serna Posts: 4669 | Registered: Mar 2004
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: PS: a cup of coffee is almost 10$ in Korea just this past month
Maybe we should of traded Coffee in their futures market... would of made a killing... lol ... like traders are making a killing here recently in the Gold Futures market... over $700 a ounce...
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Ernesto "Che" Guevara de la Serna Posts: 4669 | Registered: Mar 2004
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no, i'm not saying that at all, i'm saying that globalisation, the way it's being done is deflating the US middle class, and i am not worried about MY situation, i am very concerned about what our country will look like in twenty years tho...
and i don't mean that in the sense of whst color peoples skin will look like, i mean it in terms of how well maintained our infrastructure is.. we have had warning signs already...
the levee in NO, the bridge in MN ....
taxes pay for that stuff, and people have to make enough to pay the taxes.. and guess what? we aren't.. the US debt just continues to increase...
globalisation isn't making US any wealthier.. it's making the top 0.1% wealthier...
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no, i'm not saying that at all, i'm saying that debt, the way it's being done is deflating the US middle class,
I'm glad you agree with me...
quote:the levee in NO, the bridge in MN ....
taxes pay for that stuff, and people have to make enough to pay the taxes.. and guess what? we aren't.. the US debt just continues to increase...
That's not because of taxes.. that was incompetence...
quote:globalisation isn't making US any wealthier.. it's making the top 0.1% wealthier...
The rich get richer because they know how to make a buck while the "middle class" are only smart at getting into debt... You should read the book The Millionaire Next Door.. very interesting book on this subject with alot of statistics and data which you seem to get a woody about lol
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Ernesto "Che" Guevara de la Serna Posts: 4669 | Registered: Mar 2004
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Add see, you say Mexico aren't our friends lol ... btw in Costa Rica the gov't controls gasoline and keep it artificially high... You wouldn't want to know what it costs in CR to fill up your tank... and you guys b*tch about gas prices here lol ... thats what happens when there is a state controlled monopoly and no "competition".... high prices...
Why would Costa Ricans care about gas prices when a tank lasts them a month? I could skip a stone right off some faggots ass and get it across the entire country.
No offense J Edwards......
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Add see, you say Mexico aren't our friends lol ... btw in Costa Rica the gov't controls gasoline and keep it artificially high... You wouldn't want to know what it costs in CR to fill up your tank... and you guys b*tch about gas prices here lol ... thats what happens when there is a state controlled monopoly and no "competition".... high prices...
Why would Costa Ricans care about gas prices when a tank lasts them a month? I could skip a stone right off some faggots ass and get it across the entire country.
No offense J Edwards......
Shows how much you know about Costa Rica... Gas over there is about $6 to $7 per gallon.. and no.. it don't last a month.. in fact they fill their gas tanks only half way or less sometimes... don't know what perception you have about CR but they do drive cars everyday to and from work like we do... as well as take off for the weekends to the beach etc... it looks small on a map but it's not when your there... they have to drive through , over or around mountain ranges country wide with the exception of the coasts when driving outside the cities... and depending on the person they fill their tanks up more then we do sometimes or just about as much as we do... so tell me.. how would you like to fill your gas tank at $6/$7 per gallon per pop by a state controlled gas company... ?
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Ernesto "Che" Guevara de la Serna Posts: 4669 | Registered: Mar 2004
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The rich get richer because they know how to make a buck while the "middle class" are only smart at getting into debt... You should read the book The Millionaire Next Door.. very interesting book on this subject with alot of statistics and data which you seem to get a woody about
In 2006, the median annual household income was $48,20
The median income per household member (including all working and non-working members above the age of 14) in the year 2006 was $26,036.
the US Govt debt is just above 9,000,000,000,000$ (9 trillion) each citizen's share of this debt is 29,763.73$
that's including kids UNDER 14...
total US credit card debt hit 2.45 trillion in July, so add another 10,000$ per person to the total unsecured debt in the US....
that doesn't even take mortgage debt into consideration...
the debt "problem" is outacontrol and only getting worse....
the National Debt has continued to increase an average of $1.47 billion per day since September 29, 2006...
globalistion isn't working at all.. it's actually hurting us pretty bad...
U.S. savings rate hits lowest level since 1933 Consumers depleting savings to buy cars, other big-ticket items
Updated: 11:10 a.m. CT Jan 30, 2006
WASHINGTON - Americans’ personal savings rate dipped into negative territory in 2005, something that hasn’t happened since the Great Depression. The Commerce Department reported Monday that the savings rate fell into negative territory at minus 0.5 percent, meaning that Americans not only spent all of their after-tax income last year but had to dip into previous savings or increase borrowing.
The savings rate has been negative for an entire year only twice before — in 1932 and 1933 — two years when the country was struggling to cope with the Great Depression, a time of massive business failures and job layoffs.
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