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In an interview Tuesday on Fox's Hannity & Colmes, potential presidential candidate Fred Thompson launched into a passionate defense of Scooter Libby.
"It's tragic," said Thompson of Libby's conviction. "What they were looking at didn't constitute a crime. Valerie Plame ... wasn't a covered person under the statute. ... Scooter Libby didn't leak her name. ... The Justice Department never should have appointed a special counsel ... Scooter Libby was working himself to exhaustion trying to protect his country. ... They picked him out to bring the burden of this entire political witchhunt on him. ... The judge saw fit to go way beyond what his own probation officer recommended."
"Would you pardon him now," Thompson was asked. "I would, absolutely," he answered. "It's a gross injustice ... and it ought to be rectified."
The following video clip is from Fox's Hannity & Colmes, broadcast on June 5.
as far as i'm concerned? he can't win anything now..
the case against Libby is/was open and shut...
i still don't know how anybody can honestly say Plame wasn't covered under security law..the CIA demanded the investigation and they are the ones who decide unless Bush put's on his "decider" hat
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Thompson is just regurgitating the Party line to the Party faithful (Fox News). No one else will believe him anyway and the Party faithful already believe it.
Yes, no honest person with any actual knowledge of the facts and the subject doesn't understand that that law was specifically written and passed and signed by the President (daddy?) to protect exactly that class of Federal employee that Plame belongs to.
If the Republicans are going to continue to deny the facts on this matter, no matter what else is at issue, they can't win in 2008.
Libby repeatedly lied to the investigators and to the Grand jury and was convicted of doing so, nothing else.
NO PARDON and NO SYMPATHY for obstructing a Federal Criminal law and its investigation, when such obstruction is intended to hide the facts from official Government authority that is empowered to do that investigation, is appropriate.
Certainly they had ample and adequate cause to be investigating! That demands that even the Republican Party, along with any of its principals (including Libby) , stop politicizing and speak only truth rather than spinning tales for the polls.
(I don't think Thompson was "honestly say(ing) Plame wasn't covered under security law).
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I think both sides are crooks, but dog-gone, just look what they let Sandy Berger get away with... (from a website I found)
Martha Stewart went to jail for lying to federal investigators. But for lying after stealing highly classified documents from the National Archives -- in an apparent attempt to alter the historical record on terrorism, no less -- former Clinton national security adviser and Kerry campaign adviser Sandy Berger will get a small fine and slap on the wrist. He will pay $10,000 and get no jail time. His security clearance will be suspended until around the end of the Bush administration -- meaningless for a career Democrat like Mr. Berger. It makes us wonder who at the Department of Justice is responsible for letting such a serious offense go virtually unpunished. On Friday Mr. Berger pleaded guilty to misdemeanor charges for stealing five copies of one of the nation's most highly classified terrorism documents. The document, an "after-action" memo on the millennium 2000 terror plot authored by terrorism expert Richard Clarke, is so highly classified that any person removing it from secure rooms must do so in a case handcuffed to his or her wrist. Mr. Berger stuffed the five copies in his coat jacket and secreted them out of the archives. He proceeded to cut three of them to pieces with scissors at his downtown offices. Archive officials observed Mr. Berger stealing the documents and reported it to their superiors.
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Glass, you'd think. Bushy or somebody. Just kind of pisses all on the 'ole 'Justice is blind' logo, doesn't it?...LOL
Maybe instead of Brewers fans peeing their own pants if they get the pennant, they should "hold it" 'till they find their closest statue of the blind-folded lady holding those scales.lol
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Martha might have gotten off had she a different political leaning.
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: Martha might have gotten off had she a different political leaning.
ahh no... they were going to prosecute this to the full extent no matter what political leanings... they wanted to make a example and the fact that she was a woman and very well known made it a bonus...
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She lied during a Federal criminal investigation.
She got caught lying.
She got convicted and went to prison.
What in Hell has that got to do with national security or with Thompson being worthy of running for president.
Even a dimwit like Thompson should know better than to profess Libby's innocence after all the facts in that case are out. Claiming he would pardon an obvious criminal were he president is a damned good look at what sort of upholder of the Constitution he would be.
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Most the republicans at the debate answered the same way though more cautiously. They said they would be sure his appeal was structured correctly. I.E. They'd use backroom pressure rather than a presidential pardon to get Libby off. Same difference.
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In which case, prosecutors might offer him a deal:
A recommendation to the Judge to defer imprisonment through the appeal process, then, thereafter, a recommendation for leniency and probation for cooperation and testimony through the process.
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I do hope Libby doesn't get the brass ring in the end like the Broker did.
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Bush has got nothing to lose. He'll pardon Libby as soon as actual jail time is pending. Why wouldn't he? It'll hurt Bush some more but the republican party has distanced themselves enough from him already that it won't hurt their candidates for the next election.
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i disagree that the GOP is done distancing itself...
i think in Sept. when the Iraq report is in Bush will will be in very big trouble...
i think it's quite possible that the the UN will have to be begged to come into Iraq....
Turkey is apparently moving into the northern Kurdish region as we speak, and that's not good... as a matter of fact? if they are moving in as reports seem to indicate? we are seeing the beginning of a possible full scale mid-east war...
this is very bad cuz Turkey is the most western type Islamic country, leaving US, and the EU with some very difficult diplomatic options...
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I really don't see where Fred stuck his foot in his mouth. I think he has a better chance of being President then Billiary does.
I personally think that Rudy Giuliani has a real chance of getting the Republican Nomination or hell...who knows maybe the White House.
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quote:Originally posted by andrew: I really don't see where Fred stuck his foot in his mouth. I think he has a better chance of being President then Billiary does.
I personally think that Rudy Giuliani has a real chance of getting the Republican Nomination or hell...who knows maybe the White House.
uh? well lessee, Bush pardons Libby, and the GOP becomes the party of record on "it's OK to lie to under oath" ... that has been reserved for the Dems until now..
face it... Libby lied under oath, he's a felon...
it doesn't matter what anybody says about whether the case should have been to court or not.. the fact is that Ashecroft sent it to independent counsel, and the reason is cuz he knew there was a white house cover up.. so many good people's careers destroyed by Dubya...
pardon Libby and we oughta pardon everybody in jail, adn all the illegals..... starting with Paris Hilton..oh yeah, they did already...the system is failing so fast that i can't beleive it...
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by glassman: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by andrew: [qb] I really don't see where Fred stuck his foot in his mouth. I think he has a better chance of being President then Billiary does.
face it... Libby lied under oath, he's a felon...
it doesn't matter what anybody says about whether the case should have been to court or not..
It’s a little thing known as probable cause. By your logic, a cop could walk into your house looking for a stolen TV that he knew wasn’t there and bust you for lying about a roach in the ashtray that he should not have seen in the first place.
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It’s a little thing known as probable cause. By your logic, a cop could walk into your house looking for a stolen TV that he knew wasn’t there and bust you for lying about a roach in the ashtray that he should not have seen in the first place.
huh? the CIA demanded the investigation. the Attorney General appointed independant council... Libby lied under oath..
i don't know how you get to a cop coming into my house without a legal warrant... (there's no roaches in my ashtrays, maybe a dead one under the kithcen sink once in awhile)
if the cop lied to the judge to get a warrant? then HE lied under oath and deserves jail too...
warrants are obtained under oath...
i don't know how people calling themselves conservatives come up with this stuff...
it's almost as bad as Ollie North dealing arms to (of all people? the Iranian Ayatoluhs) to finance coke dealers in their war with the Nicaraguan govt....
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Very simple reason all crooks hate to seen another crook get convicted it could mean that they are next
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the official CIA position is that Valerie Plame was a NOC agent in the process of converting to "official status"..
the fact is that her job was to be IN CHARGE of the operations group of the Joint Task Force on Iraq; it's mission was to analyse/prove the existence of WMDs in Iraq... she couldn't find any and the White House persecuted her for it...
uhoh, there WEREN'T any... i guess she should have lied too?
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Dubya will go down in history as the worst president ever in the U.S. and as the worst influence on world peace since Hitler and that assessment will continue, until years from now when his and his daddy's papers are finally out in the open.
At that time, when the scholars can actually learn how he operated and why and they write their scholarly tomes on him and his administration, the public will learn of the actual facts and intentions, and his ratings will plummet.
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Why bother whether laws have been broken. Were about to pardon 25 million people who entered the country illegally. Pretty soon robbing a bank will be simple distribution of wealth.
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What an extreme extrapolation of facts to reach a predetermined biased conclusion.
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quote:Originally posted by Lockman: Why bother whether laws have been broken. Were about to pardon 25 million people who entered the country illegally. Pretty soon robbing a bank will be simple distribution of wealth.
Home Depot too: MIDWEST CITY, Okla. — A former Home Depot employee said the company fired him and three other workers because they helped police catch several suspected shoplifters in May.
Midwest City police said the men helped officers catch suspected shoplifters as they tried to run from a store with lawn equipment.
An internal memo from Home Depot outlines that associates cannot accuse, detain, chase or call the police on any customer for shoplifting. However, one of the fired employees said the company is selective in enforcing that policy.
“The loss-prevention guy at our Shields (Boulevard) store turned around and told me all we need to do is tell the shoplifter to have a good day as they leave the store. I said that just doesn’t make sense.”
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quote:Originally posted by Lockman: Why bother whether laws have been broken. Were about to pardon 25 million people who entered the country illegally. Pretty soon robbing a bank will be simple distribution of wealth.
10 to 12 million.. at least get the facts right.. and illegally entering a country does not compare to outing a CIA agent & endangering her life due to politics...
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quote:Originally posted by Lockman: Why bother whether laws have been broken. Were about to pardon 25 million people who entered the country illegally. Pretty soon robbing a bank will be simple distribution of wealth.
10 to 12 million.. at least get the facts right.. and illegally entering a country does not compare to outing a CIA agent & endangering her life due to politics...
Libby wasn't convicted of outing a CIA operative. He was caught covering his boss's a** over a potentially scandlous leek.
And there sending Paris Hilton to jail for traffic violations come on. The 40 day house arrest is probably what she should have gotten in the first place.
Hey and what's a couple million one way or the other? lol
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