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hey im not trying to preach i just thought it was a good short video made on the subject. if you are familiar with it then you would think it was pretty well made. it was just a creative video.
bdgee dont worry im not "forcing religion" on you and besides arguing politics can take a break every once in a while
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quote:Originally posted by Ace of Spades: All the other prophecies in the bible came true...
I don't see how anyone would not be a believer.
Care to elaborate? As far as I can see not one thing in the bible has been proven true or come true. There is no Roman or jewish for that matter written record mentioning Jesus during his supposed lifetime only after his death is there any such writings about him. As for Moses and the Exodus. Another one that there is no written record about in Egyptians records. You would think that some Egyptian would of wrote about it at least. And on and on about other stories in the Bible. To me the Bible is nothing more then a Novel that tries to preach how people should live their lives by believing in a God that there is no proof of. Since the beginning of time humans have always had the need to believe in a god(s). To explain how they became into this life and earth. When the real answer is not a God or God(s) but just a simple organism that evolved over millions or billions of years. I'm not saying not to believe in your religions but just saying you should sometimes ask yourself What if there is no God? Because I do the opposite since im not religious and ask myself What if there is a God? ... Anyways Religion is the opiate of the masses and much like politics and such it is about control in the guise of a God.
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quote:Originally posted by Ace of Spades: All the other prophecies in the bible came true...
I don't see how anyone would not be a believer.
Care to elaborate? As far as I can see not one thing in the bible has been proven true or come true. There is no Roman or jewish for that matter written record mentioning Jesus during his supposed lifetime only after his death is there any such writings about him. As for Moses and the Exodus. Another one that there is no written record about in Egyptians records. You would think that some Egyptian would of wrote about it at least. And on and on about other stories in the Bible. To me the Bible is nothing more then a Novel that tries to preach how people should live their lives by believing in a God that there is no proof of. Since the beginning of time humans have always had the need to believe in a god(s). To explain how they became into this life and earth. When the real answer is not a God or God(s) but just a simple organism that evolved over millions or billions of years. I'm not saying not to believe in your religions but just saying you should sometimes ask yourself What if there is no God? Because I do the opposite since im not religious and ask myself What if there is a God? ... Anyways Religion is the opiate of the masses and much like politics and such it is about control in the guise of a God.
"As far as I can see not one thing in the bible has been proven true or come true."
Google it...try Discoverychannel .com. The Bible is full of verifiable fact.
"There is no Roman or jewish for that matter written record mentioning Jesus during his supposed lifetime only after his death is there any such writings about him."
Are suggesting Jesus never existed?(just wondering)
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quote:Originally posted by Ace of Spades: All the other prophecies in the bible came true...
I don't see how anyone would not be a believer.
Care to elaborate? As far as I can see not one thing in the bible has been proven true or come true. There is no Roman or jewish for that matter written record mentioning Jesus during his supposed lifetime only after his death is there any such writings about him. As for Moses and the Exodus. Another one that there is no written record about in Egyptians records. You would think that some Egyptian would of wrote about it at least. And on and on about other stories in the Bible. To me the Bible is nothing more then a Novel that tries to preach how people should live their lives by believing in a God that there is no proof of. Since the beginning of time humans have always had the need to believe in a god(s). To explain how they became into this life and earth. When the real answer is not a God or God(s) but just a simple organism that evolved over millions or billions of years. I'm not saying not to believe in your religions but just saying you should sometimes ask yourself What if there is no God? Because I do the opposite since im not religious and ask myself What if there is a God? ... Anyways Religion is the opiate of the masses and much like politics and such it is about control in the guise of a God.
"As far as I can see not one thing in the bible has been proven true or come true."
Google it...try Discoverychannel .com. The Bible is full of verifiable fact.
"There is no Roman or jewish for that matter written record mentioning Jesus during his supposed lifetime only after his death is there any such writings about him."
Are suggesting Jesus never existed?(just wondering)
None are verifiable other then locations such as Jerusalem actually exists lol I'm trying to show you there is not a independent source from that time that can verify anything in the Bible.Not the Romans, Jews ,Egyptians or other groups from that time that were not Christians Or jews that became Christians. Not one.You'd think at least one independent group would of wrote of what they saw much like the media today does.The bible alone should not be proof only. Much like a court case where you have a Mob snitch testifying on another Mobster you need collaboration as to his testimony to verify or prove a case. You cannot rely on the Mob snitch's testimony alone. Besides I like watching the history channel over the Discovery channel. The History Channel is more thorough. And they did a special on the Exodus recently on whether it happened or not.
As for Jesus.. what proof is there other then the Bible's say so? Other then writings from Jesus own followers there is none whatsoever writings from independent sources of that time of Jesus existence (not after his supposed death which anyone can come up with the teachings of a Jesus and much like you they would believe such a man existed even though they never seen nor heard his own words). From the Romans, the Jews themselves who were non believers, other ethnic groups etc that also lived in Jerusalem at that time.
So if you want to believe in God or any god for the matter more power to you but there is no physical independent proof (written or otherwise) of anything in the Bible and I would guess there never will be. After all whose to say your God existed and not let's say Zeus? Neither one can be proven. Like I said since Mankind's beginning there has always been God(s) and Goddesses. It fills the human need to ask Who created me? Ancient man started these religions because they could not explain simple things like thunder and lightning, waves, their own creation and host of other unexplainable things for that time. They did not have the scientific technology/knowledge to explain alot of things in life so they turned to explaining them with God(s) and Goddesses.Just try to ask yourself for once if it's possible if you are following a God that was created by ancient man who could not explain something as simple as Thunder/Lightning?
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the job is to go and let them know about the word, and about Jesus. We don't have to convince anybody. the Holy Spirit convinces whoever he wants to convince. the preaching of Jesus is nothing but crazyness to the wised of this world.
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oops... i mistyped again it's the Heisenberg uncertainty principle not hiesinger...LOL..
Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle
An odd aspect of Quantum Mechanics is contained in the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle (HUP). The HUP can be stated in different ways, let me first talk in terms of momentum and position.
If there is a particle, such as an electron, moving through space, I can characterize its motion by telling you where it is (its position) and what its velocity is (more precisely, its momentum).
* Classically, that is, in our macroscopic world, I could, in principle, measure the position and momentum of the object to infinite precision (more or less). There is really no question about a particle's position and momentum.
* In the Quantum Mechanical world, the idea that we can locate objects exactly breaks down. Let me state this idea more precisely. Suppose a particle has momemtum p and position x. In a Quantum Mechanical world, I would not be able to measure p and x precisely. There would be an uncertainty associated with each measurement that I could never get rid of, even in a perfect experiment!!! The size of the uncertainties are not independent; they are related as
dp x dx > h / (2 x pi) = Planck's constant / (2 x pi)
The preceding is a statement of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. A consequence of the Uncertainty Principle is that if an object's position x is defined precisely then the momentum of the object will be only weakly constrained, and vice versa. One cannot simultaneously find both the position and momentum of an object to arbitrary accuracy.
This uncertainty leads to some strange effects. For example, in a Quantum Mechanical world, I cannot predict where a particle will be with 100 % certainty. I can only speak in terms of probabilities. For example, I can only say that an atom will be at some location with a 99 % probability, and that there will be a 1 % probability it will be somewhere else (in fact, there will be a small but finite probabilty that it can even be found across the Universe). This is strange.
We do not know if this indeterminism is actually the way the Universe works, because the theory of Quantum Mechanics is probably incomplete. That is, we do not know if the Universe actually behaves in a probabilistic manner (there are many possible paths a particle can follow and the observed path is chosen probabilistically) or if the Universe is deterministic in the sense that I could predict the path a particle will follow with 100 % certainty.
A consequence of the Quantum Mechanical nature of the world is that particles can appear in places where they have no right to be (from an ordinary, common sense [classical] point of view)! This has interesting consequences for nuclear fusion in stars.
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I am facinated by the word "fact", it implies some sort of absolute truth. The existence of any "absolute truth" is questionable. I can tell you something that I believe to be true, no where is there a rule that says you also have to believe it to be true.
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it gets even more interesting because when you use a measuring device? you are in fact disturbing the object being measured... that changes the object too...
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I get your example bdgee, let me interject one of my own. You once refered to me as "crude and dishonest", while it is possible for you to believe that, it is not possible for you to know that, correct? To take it a bit farther, since you believe what you said, that is an example of an individual truth, it is however, very far from the truth.
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I have no idea what "individual truth" might be.
At times, you have displayed the willingness to be both crude and dishonest. That is a truth.
I spoke of your actions and nothing else. I would not have so said if I did not believe it. That is a truth.
Do I know how you acted? Yes.
Did you act within character or is that character only an act? I don't know.
A sane mind must believe what it knows, even if its ability to discern fact is inadequate. That is the basis of sanity.
A mind that is able to construe what it knows to be false as true or what it knows to be true as false is not sane, by definition (again all within the limits of its ability to discern....a weak mind can easily fall into a trap of "knowing" and therefore believing things that are false).
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: "I have no idea what "individual truth" might be." Individual truth= true to you
"At times, you have displayed the willingness to be both crude and dishonest. That is a truth. No sir, that is an opinion I spoke of your actions and nothing else. I would not have so said if I did not believe it. That is a truth." Very true "Do I know how you acted? Yes." No, you read my post and reacted according to what you perceived my posting to be. "Did you act within character or is that character only an act? I don't know." Never an act, I am usually always trying to be humorous, life is to short to take seriosly. "A sane mind must believe what it knows, even if its ability to discern fact is inadequate. That is the basis of sanity." ironically, an insane person also believes what they know, they are just labeled by the "sane." "A mind that is able to construe what it knows to be false as true or what it knows to be true as false is not sane, by definition (again all within the limits of its ability to discern....a weak mind can easily fall into a trap of "knowing" and therefore believing things that are false)."
a strong mind can also be mislead to belief things that are untrue agreed?
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Yes, a strong mind can be led to beileve a falshood.
As was the case with many in Congress that voted to give dubya authority that they specified was to be used because Saddam had WMDs and only when all else failed.
They believed he had provided honest and correct assessmnents of WMDs in Iraq. Even then, they believed they could trust dubya not to violate their trust, by waging war until all other means to prevent Saddam from attacking the U.S. with those WMDs had been completely exausted, but the criminal did anyway.
Their strong minds believed a liar and believed a falshood.
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stop the madness!!!! lol god i hated that commercial back in the day.. anyways here is a example of why i think some of the things in the Bible is BS:
The story of Noah and the Great Flood. Apparently that flood appears to be factual and most likely because of a mini ice age that melted it and caused it though it was probably exagerrated. Who knows probably it was a Tsunami. But most scholars would say the story of Noah and the flood/Ark was borrowed from the Epic of Gilgamesh which is a Sumerian tale that is almost exactly the same as Noah's story though its older then the Bible story. Anyways the flood could not be explained by minds of that time (my theory being that it was a tsunami or a ice age thing) so both civiliazations came up with a God(s) for the cause of the flood. I mean come on do you really believe Noah existed and he lived to be 900+ years as well as his two sons? LoL
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