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DWE, I am asking you the following favor in all seriousness..
Many members of allstocks live in the Hurricane zones, sometimes their only contact is with us to the outside world..It happened last year..
Please do not spam the hurricane thread when people are working together to help others.
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Please be advised that it wouldn't be considered "spam". The only spam, I know is that gorilla meat that we put into 2 slices of bread, mayo and cheese and make it into a "Spam Sandwich".
And honestly, I know you attempt to make yourself look good on these threads and you really try hard, but the only person that can actually help with the Florida hurricanes is Jeb Bush and his crew just like with all the hurricanes in the past. Remember, you're in the state where Tonya Harding resides, not in "my soon to be state", "Florida".
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OK Dude, you want to take this attitude, fine... All you have done is remove any doubt as to what you really are...
I will do everything I can to have you removed from Allstocks, you are not going to be allowed to make a mockery of people and Off Topics any longer..
Posters of Allstocks, enough is enough, way past time for DWE to lose his posting priviledges.
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Jeb Bush has done a fine job with the hurricanes in Florida in 2005. Why are you doubting that Jeb Bush isn't going do anything for the people of Florida???
Because he's a "BUSH" and you "cain't" handle it???
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Funny. For Karl Rove to have "dodged" a bullet implies a "bullet" was there to dodge in the first place. The prosecutor made a good - and the only - decision, just a year late.
Facts:
The media spun a completely different story about the Plame case to the public than it argued in front of the court. In order to "protect their own", media giants (to include, but not limited to: ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, AP, Newsweek, Reuters America, the Washington Post, the Tribune Company and the White House Correspondents) actually argued that reporters should not be held in contempt or forced to reveal their sources in the Plame investigation because "no crime had been committed".
The media had to prove Valerie Plame had actually been outed prior to the whole Bob Novak-Scooter Libby-Karl Rove conspiracy was foisted on the American people in order to prove the media's case . The media was successful in this attempt as they proved Plame had been outed almost ten (10) years ago by a Russian spy in Moscow (go read Footnote 7, page 8, of their brief for full details). Additionally, the media also revealed Plame had been outed by the CIA itself through some careless actions in Cuba while dealing with the Swiss embassy.
Anyway, the entire Plame case was a half-baked, albeit a very well-coordinated attempt by the media, to damage a man for whom they blame for regularly beating Democrats (a.k.a. media darlings) at the polls. Plame was a CIA desk clerk who had been outed ten (10) years ago in Russia. Furthermore, it was common knowledge in the Beltway that she worked for the CIA as she and her husband bragged about this fact at numerous Whose Who of Washington, D.C. cocktail gatherings.
I am hardly surprised you don't get to read about the media's complicity and outright hypocrisy in this case. They need to take down Republicans and give advertisers a reason to buy their pathetic media time, so they hatch a conspiracy. However, when their own reporters are faced with jail time they go to court and argue that no crime had been committed in the Plame case. Read the briefs, do a little digging, get off the sofa and stop being spoon-fed by CNN et al. and you might trip onto an actual fact or two.
No worries, Karl, I'll be having a toast in your name this evening...cheers!
P.S. And don't think I am so jaded to believe Republicans do not play the same game. Washington, D.C. is sick...it needs an enema. I am just tired of the obvious nature of the media's bias. They froth at the mouth when they can destroy anyone who tilts just a hair to the right. But store $90,000 in your freezer, punch a cop in the face in D.C., receive fees for giving speeches to White Supremist groups in Georgia, etc...etc...etc...and you are given the benefit of the doubt just because you have a (D) behind your name.
Abolish political parties, vote out all incumbents and do not elect any more attorneys to a public position. These are the first three steps the American Public needs to regain its sanity. Then enact term limits, pass the fair tax, militarize our borders and allow profiling. So simple.
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W, i think you'll find most of your assertions are just biased media hype coming from people like William Krystal and other Fox "News" types...
There is a war being waged in the telecom world.
Rupert Murdock is trying to take over the world...
When Libby defends himself? we'll get some facts...
For instance, according to Fitzgerald? Plame was covert, At his October 28, 2005, press conference, Special Counsel Fitzgerald noted:
Valerie Wilson was a CIA officer. In July 2003, the fact that Valerie Wilson was a CIA officer was classified. Not only was it classified, but it was not widely known outside the intelligence community. Valerie Wilson's friends, neighbors, college classmates had no idea she had another life. The fact that she was a CIA officer was not well-known, for her protection or for the benefit of all us. It's important that a CIA officer's identity be protected, that it be protected not just for the officer, but for the nation's security. Valerie Wilson's cover was blown in July 2003. The first sign of that cover being blown was when Mr. Novak published a column on July 14th, 2003.
and if Bush authorised the release of her name? then there was no crime because he has the power to de-classify??? maybe.... just maybe
Vice President Dick Cheney's former chief of staff has testified that President Bush authorized him to disclose the contents of a highly classified intelligence assessment to the media to defend the Bush administration's decision to go to war with Iraq, according to papers filed in federal court [PDF] on Wednesday by Patrick J. Fitzgerald, the special prosecutor in the CIA leak case.
if you think Rove didn't dodge a bullet? then why was there an investigation at all? the CIA demanded it...
secondly? Libby is trying to make a case that he can't get a fair trial because Presidential Privilege will block him from getting a fair trial.
it may work.....
the law doesn't require that an agent LIVE overseas to be protected under the law, Plame did in fact travel overseas in her duties within the previous five years to being "outed"
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why don't you tell me which breifs to pay specific attention to? i have in fact read some of the breifs, and since they are in PDF can't cut-n-paste.... there's lots of breifs...
I imagine you have not read the court briefs which are at odds with much of the information you brought to the table
i quoted Fitzgerald himself W....
the CIA demanded the investigation... not the media....
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: why don't you tell me which breifs to pay specific attention to? i have in fact read some of the breifs, and since they are in PDF can't cut-n-paste....
You can cut and paste PDF documents.
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To the right of the hand icon that is used to pan documents should be a text selection icon, glassman.
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The brief argues Valerie Plame didn't meet the criteria of a "covert" agent and that her status as a CIA agent was known to both the Russian and Cuban intelligence operations prior to the Novak article.
I imagine one in a million people know this fact.
Edit: Sometimes the boat needs to idle so a man can eat, glassman (habenero/mango chicken wrap and a blueberry/pineapple whey protein shake...good eats).
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Dubya flew into Bagdad this morning on Air Force One.
I would imagine the specs on the Boeing 747 are maxed out during manuvering for takeoff and landing.
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The bottom line: the media argued the CIA "outed" Plame in court (under oath). Whereas, the media represented Republicans (Rove, Cheney, Novak, Libby, etc.) "outed" Plame to the general public.
Duplicitous no matter how you want to slice it.
The media is in the business of selling an agenda to ill-informed zombies.
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Well, lets see how the press handles the two events.....Rove off the hook, Bush lands in Bagdad, politics, what intrique..LOL
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interesting: the actual breif appears to have been pulled off the net....
as i understand the breif? somebody at the CIA confirmed to Novak that Plame was a CIA employee....AFTER he was given her name by a White House Employee... apparently? that was Rove.... and Rove is dodging the bullet BECAUSE he revised his testimony to the grand jury... in other words? he forgot to tell the truth at first, but when he got the story stright? they forgave him... that's unique wouldn't you say?
why not be honest about that from the beginning and save everybody some time? cuz Bush wouldn't have gotten re-elected maybe?
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: interesting: the actual breif appears to have been pulled off the net....
as i understand the breif? somebody at the CIA confirmed to Novak that Plame was a CIA employee....AFTER he was given her name by a White House Employee... apparently? that was Rove.... and Rove is dodging the bullet BECAUSE he revised his testimony to the grand jury... in other words? he forgot to tell the truth at first, but when he got the story stright? they forgave him... that's unique wouldn't you say?
why not be honest about that from the beginning and save everybody some time? cuz Bush wouldn't have gotten re-elected maybe?
I think you are right about the brief being pulled off the net. I haven't checked Lexis-Nexis yet.
Regarding your summation: sounds like its plausible. I would have to flow-chart the whole thing and back it all up to agree. Let's just say it is plausible with a nice shading of likely...lol...I am too tired to dig into it all...and honestly, I could give a rip.
I do wish the general public realized the media was fighting in court for precisely the opposite set of facts they were presenting to the public. Who ever heard Plame was outed years ago...etc...
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: Plame wasn't outed years ago...
the Rusky thing wasn't an outing... you are grasping at the same straws as Rove...
Uhhhhh...the media was grasping at this straw, glassman, in their brief.
Rove argued in a court filing that Plame had been outed by the Russians? I was not aware of this fact.
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the truth at first, but when he got the story stright? they forgave him... that's unique wouldn't you say?
