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I just can't believe this whole mess .. Please Mexico, the Government, make it possible for your people to make a living in your country and lets go back to being friends and American business if you want to hier illegals stop exploiting them pay them the same wage as anybody else for the job.
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who put the roof on my house? Illegals from mex....good pay that they send home... who takes alot of my carpet business? Illegals from mex....they are willing to do the same job for a lot less... the pay in Mexico is atrocious. But the houses and everything else is cheaper also. I cant compete for the same job...my experience doesnt outweigh the cheaper labor in alot of cases..here in Minn. my business has suffered five-fold in two years. Ive had to lower my prices just to get work..
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Yes I realize that illegals do good work I have lived in AZ for years and these are like most say that illegals are good people and that is the truth. I also know good American business men that have went out of business trying to do things right pay taxes and stay with in the law with there business practices. It is a shame that they being honest have to compete with such an unfair advantage to the less lawful. And it is a shame that thoes that break the law both employee and employer the US tax payer winds up footing the bill for all there cheap labor and medical expenses. But somebody can get a better price on a home improvment,landscaping,or just about anything that takes maual labor. So just remember as your tax base shrinks,1/2 the money that is earned leaves the country and never stays in the local community, and the extra strain that gets put on the social saftey net. That is a few things that are effected there are many others. If anybody wants to we can talk about them
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Yes, Glass it is important that we as American let our leaders know how we feel. The cost of every thing that has to do with budget concerns would go down our tax dollars would go a lot further. Then there is the criminal element that comes here for better pickins and if they murder somebody and they run back, Mexico will not send them back for trial because of the death penalty issues. There is only one solution to this problme Mexico had got to raise the level of pay and create more jobs for there people
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so? if all these people went back to Mexico with what they've learned here about how to run businesses and plain economics? could they fix their own country? maybe?
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wouldnt now be a great time to storm the protest marches and round up the illegals and ship them back... showing them that we are not playing around.. ? and dont tell me about the right to peaceful protest because only citizens of this country enjoy that right
man, they got alot of balls.
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: No, the Constitution does not restrict the benifits of the Bill of Rights to Citizens. Better reread the Constitution if you believe that.
Anyway, I bet most of those protesting were citizens.
your probably right. i just like complaining..
if most were citizens why do they care, it only effects people who are not citizens... or maybe they are looking after their family members on their way over..?
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"if most were citizens why do they care, it only effects people who are not citizens... or maybe they are looking after their family members on their way over..?"
The same reason Christians want to interpret the Constitution to favor their wishes and the KKK wants Jews and women and blacks and just about anyone not able to pass the Himler racial guidlines left out. If you were taught as a child that Spanish "should" be the "tongue" of North America and the western and southern U.S. were stolen from Mexico, then ..........
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This a problem that is different than most border issuses. I being from AZ know that in the past the only thing that the border was, was an imaginary line in the desert sand. It was crossed on a regular basis by both Americans and Mexicans who have relatives on both sides it was very common and nobody thought much of it. We share much more with our friends across the border than you think food ,music,cultue,and language most old time AZ. folks are bi ling.My point is at least for most of the South West it is only natural that in these tough economic times in Mexico that the People of Mexico would come here to work it is an easy place for them to fit in and lots of them have American citizens for friends and family as a support system.This is not something a news paper is going to say or that you will see on the 6 o'clock news but it is trueI have seen it for years.
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I guess I am really not trying to make a point just a statement.Because there are 12million mexicans that live here so they say most of them with families so just kicking them out is not the answer if you want me to make a point. Another point is that if American business was not so quick to break the law themselves to exploit we would not have this huge problem.They have to be made aware of just what illegal means.
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YES. The problem is more with the U.S. busness men intentionally breaking the law and attracting the Mexicans (and others fron further south) and the way to solve the problem is to control the employers.
That's not likely, particularly in a federal government run by corporations that benifit from the illegal immigration.
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There is a lot to be said about illegal immirgration one they can be looked at as line cutters I myself know lots of Mexican nationals that came here legally and a lot of what slowed the process down was the large numbers of illegal coming over the border. But I still contend those illegal are very desporate people. Who are on a day to day eating is this my last meal type oof thing. If any of us were in that type of living condition we most likely would walk across.
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One is what to do with the illegal immigrants in the country right now. This is the debate that is frought with many viewpoints and opinions.
The other problem is the contiuing lack of a secure border in the South. This option is NOT a divisive issue. We all are aware of what type of activity is supported by this lack of security. Drug running, enforced prostitution, and god forbid-opening ourselves to a terrorist entering our country.
Lets do what we need to do to secure the border NOW. Lets worry about what to do with those that crossed illegally later.
And, I agree. American businesses need to stop exploiting other nations. I would suggest making it law that a business that wishes to open a plant in another country can feel free to do so...however, in order to continue being considered an American company they must still abide but United States labor laws in their foreign worksites. Including minimum wage laws.
That ought to change how business gets done in Mexico quickly and should slow the tide of outsourcing by large American companies.
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Okay first off I am going to put out this disclaimer. I am not bashing the hispanic/mexican race as a whole at all here.
I grew up in Milwaukee and I'll tell you why they had this march. The hispanics are milking the damn welfare system in Wisconsin dry. If they passed the legislature that would mean thousands of hispanics who live in wisconsin wouldn't be getting **** and they would have to go back home to mexico. Immigration needs to be dealt with preferably sooner than later. The south side of milwaukee is invested with gang activity and crime, it sucks.
why else do you think thousands of hispanics would flock to wisconsin? im pretty sure its not because they love cold weather and the milwaukee brewers. they come to milk the welfare system.
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I agree with you super the whole illegal immirgrant thing does suck A step in the right direction that would be a fast start would be getting real serious about enforcing the laws that we have concerning employers. I live in AZ. and its just as easy for an illegal to be employed as a new high school grad. As a matter of fact it is easier they pay the illegal less. But it is a simple fact no jobs 90% less illegals.
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Yes if they have children that are born in this country that makes thoes children American citizens. Then it can be welfare with all the other medical,housing programs ,and food stamps. For the children. If there is no spouse providing any means of support
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I was just listening to Senator Kenndy and basicly the Senate is in a mixed bag of what to do they have spent over 20 billion the last ten years on increase in man power,dogs ,and electronic security with the border of the U.S. and Mexico and every thing they tried has not worked more illegals are coming across evry year.The expense of sending 10 to 12 million people back to Mexico would be unbelieveable.And would most likely start a revolution in Mexico with all the problems they now have and also would stop the saftey valve for Mexico that stops social problems. The answer is very obvious and right in front of us U.S. employers are breaking the law and causing in there quest for cheap labor the main motivation for an illegal to make the trip. A pennyless ,starving person does not cross the desert on foot risk everything to come to a place were he can't be employed he might as well stay home with his or her family and starve there in his or hers own country.
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Now besides that the people seeking employment and to help there family's there is a small percentage of the criminal element that comes across to and if you don't believe me take any major paper in the southwest and read it you will be amazed at the amount of crime there has been. Besides the stealing that one would exspect as a minor crime and non violient. There have been murders,armed robbory,gangs that have been formed,And drug trafficing.Which always leads to crime on our streets. Also the terrible exploitation of women being used for crimes of sex in all different areas. There is not one good thing for either of us U.S. or Mexico with this mess and it all starts by State and Federal Government not enforcing any law with conviction the hireing of Illegals on the grand scale that takes place in our country. I welcome the rest of the U.S. to the problem that used to be the southwest problem.
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Also any move on sending them back at this point all you would be doing is sending the honest people back our lack of law enforcement to on the enforcement of labor laws ,may I add at tax payers expense, has let the criminal get established they are going to stay because they are making lots of money here.
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yes, and i'm afraid real jail time is the only deterrant... Mar 19, 8:34 AM EST
Corporations Stiffing Government on Fines
By MARTHA MENDOZA and CHRISTOPHER SULLIVAN Associated Press Writers
When a gasoline spill and fiery explosion killed three young people in Washington state, officials announced a record penalty against a gas pipeline company: $3 million to send the message that such tragedies "must never happen again."
When nuclear labs around the country were found exposing workers to radiation and breaking other safety rules, assessments totaling $2.5 million were quickly ordered.
When coal firms' violations were blamed for deaths, injuries and risks to miners from Alabama to West Virginia, they were slapped with more than $1.3 million in penalties.
What happened next with these no-nonsense enforcement efforts? Not much. The pipeline tab was eventually reduced by 92 percent, the labs' assessments were waived as soon as they were issued, and the mine penalties largely went unpaid.
The amount of unpaid federal fines has risen sharply in the last decade. Individuals and corporations regularly avoid large, highly publicized penalties for wrongdoing - sometimes through negotiations, sometimes because companies go bankrupt, sometimes due to officials' failure to keep close track of who owes what under a decentralized collection system.....
....The government is currently owed more than $35 billion in fines and other payments from criminals and in civil cases, according to Justice Department figures. This is almost five times the amount uncollected 10 years ago - and enough to cover the annual budget of the Department of Homeland Security.
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one of the 911 hijackers: On May 4, 2001, Ramzi Binalshibh applied for and received a Florida drivers license. The very next day, he filled out a change-of-address form to receive a duplicate license. Five other suspected hijackers also receive duplicate Florida licenses in 2001. Some have speculated that this was to allow multiple persons to use the same identity.[4] On May 19, Shehri and Satam al-Suqami flew from Fort Lauderdale to Freeport, Bahamas, where they had reservations at the Bahamas Princess Resort. The two were turned away by Bahamian officials on arrival, however, because they lacked visas; they returned to Florida that same day. The 9/11 Commission felt that they likely took this trip to renew Suqami's immigration status, as Suqami's legal stay in the United States ended May 21. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waleed_al-Shehri
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It is very simple there is an element in our sociate that wants the immirgation system to stay like it is other wise there would be change. It not benificial to the people of this nation . One of the things I have not even mentioned is the health issues. Now that illegals are getting to go all over the country maybe the S/W will not have one of the highest TB rates in the nation anymore. lol to the mid west as the children of the illegals who have not under went a medical exam. go to school with your children and the possibility of being exposed to third world health conditions. Think of this when we in the S/W. for years have asked for something to be done and the rest of the country laughed now its your problem to.
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I wonder how long this looney and the kool-aide drinkers are going to ram rod this country?
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I used to live in Atlanta, and we have a large illegal population there. In Georgia there are about 800,000 illegals.
Every year, over a billion dollars leaves the state of Georgia and is sent to Mexico. The medical costs of treating illegals is nearing $100 million a year.
The children of illegals all qualify for GA medicade care. They get free doctors and hospital visits and free prescriptions at any pharmacy. Who foots the bill? We do, the taxpayers.
Employers pay illegals under the table, thus cutting the government out of their fair share. So, you have illegals working the gov't system, you have employers not paying into the government system, which worsens the problem, and the entire burden is placed on the law abiding tax payer.
Add the additional gov't responsibility of policing the illegal community, and the costs are staggering. Then add the costs of educating the children of illegals (remember, their parents are not paying-in for public school education like law abiding tax payers do).
You get the picture. Somethings gotta give...
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What a bunch of jerks they have granted amnesty before. It does not work in another 5 years the number of illegals might double they have just created another huge support base for more illegals to swarm in. Look at the message that it sends to all those that went through the time consuming process to come here legally it did not make any difference did it. I am almost to the point of giving with this whole bunch.
As for McCain he has never done anything except duck the issue. I wonder why the Feds don,t want to change this sittuation.
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